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M-Drol + X-Tren = Gyno?

giddybop

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I would appreciate some advice for a friend of mine, who is having some gyno issues after using CEL Labs M-Drol and X-Tren. This is very peculiar to me, because I thought neither aromatized.

- He was running M-Drol at a low dose (10mg/day).
- After just 10 days, he started a normal dose (90mg/day) of X-Tren
- 3 Days later, a lump the size of a peanut was behind one nipple, and is slightly noticeable.

I find this very strange. Literally 3 days after starting X-Tren, and having been on the M-Drol at a low dose, Gyno literally exploded on him.

He has letrozole, and is taking it now. He stopped taking the M-Drol but is still taking 60mg of X-Tren. Is this wise? I told him he may want to stop everything, but his response was that he thinks maybe without the M-Drol, the issue will resolve itself.

He is also using Vitex (Chasteberry) b/c he said it is known to combat prolactin gyno.

So, he wants to know specifically:

1. Should he use letro or nolvadex for the Gyno?
2. Should he discontinue use of M-Drol AND X-Tren or just the m-Drol (or just the X-tren for that matter)

He is assuming regular nolvadex regimen will be ok for PCT concerns.
 
1. Is the person with gyno you, cause it sounds like it is.
2. There shouldnt be any solid mass formed from prolactin gyno
3. Squeeze your nipple and see if little drops come out. If it does you will need to get cabergoline, letro wont do anything for prolactin gyno and nolva has been known to aggravate it as well. Clomid would be your best PCT choice..
4. If it is an actual solid mass, use letro....
 
i'm a little confused how these two products caused gyno. unless you had pre-existing gyno, tren/superdrol shouldn't have done this.
 
You have over 5,000 post and didn't ever come across the countless number of threads on this same subject? Mind = Blown
 
carcaz13 said:
You have over 5,000 post and didn't ever come across the countless number of threads on this same subject? Mind = Blown
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M-drol and tren should notdoes not cause oestrog/en based gyno... Prolactin gyno is a possibility form the 19-nor, but thats it, unless he had previous gyno...
 
with the fact that this guy is probably taking an otc clone/knock off and not original fina-trenbolone then anything is quite possible with theses new age tainted products.
 
carcaz13 said:
You have over 5,000 post and didn't ever come across the countless number of threads on this same subject? Mind = Blown
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tren aggravating existing gyno - i can find you threads on that
mdrol causing gyno in bad pct - i can find you that too

tren/mdrol causing it ON CYCLE where none existed before, no i haven't seen the threads. link?
 
I too have had difficulty in finding any other thread on the specific issue of a "lump" type gyno within the context of a low dose of M-Drol and X-Tren...morever, after such a short time.

This person did NOT have pre-exisiting gyno.

Based on some of your responses, the lump indicates non prolactin gyno. If that is the case, then M-Drol and (only 3 days) of X-Tren should NOT have caused this.

Makes me wonder if CEL was actually bottling and capping what it said it was.
 
not bashing CEL when i say this, but any time i see a "limited time run" right before a ban, i think a company has no reason to put out a quality product, since it becomes illegal to possess it. just my opinion. i can think of other companies that have had similar issues with regards to "limited time runs".

generic labz comes to mind. again, IMO
 
Came across a thread earlier asserting that Nolvadex actually increases the amount of prog. receptors. Thus, when Nolva is used for PCT after M-Drol, and subsequently a PH is used that increases prog., then that may be where issues arise.
 
SpargelJanusz said:
Of course it's "him", this moron doesn't even have the courage to admit he ****ed up badly.
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maybe the "moron" that has no "courage" is me, maybe it isn't. Once again, how is it relevant buddy?

I know this might be hard for a hotheaded attention whore like you to understand, but some people in the real world have good, high paying jobs etc. Therefore, some of these people don't want their regimens to be public. Are all of your brain cells following? - This could be why people have friends perform research for one another, or why people use (SWIM) acronyms.

The hostility involved: Using words like "moron" and "courage" is a reflection of you my friend, and it is not a good one.

By the way, is it really "f'ing" up badly to do a 3 week cycle of m-drol @ 10mg, with nolva and letro on hand? I don't think so. :bryce:

UPDATE: a few days of letro has significantly reduced the issue, though not 100% yet.
 
m-drol 13 days at 10 mg
x-tren 3 days at 90mg
at that i would have a hard time believing who ever went from no gyno to peanut sized gyno. that does not seem to be enough of a cycle to get + effects let alone side effects.something is amiss here.
 
wedlund6 said:
m-drol 13 days at 10 mg
x-tren 3 days at 90mg
at that i would have a hard time believing who ever went from no gyno to peanut sized gyno. that does not seem to be enough of a cycle to get + effects let alone side effects.something is amiss here.
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I agree. Recall though, that this person did 1 previous M-Drol cycle. I think that maybe there was pre-existing gyno, but my buddy simply didn't know it (perhaps he had no lump, but it still was "there").

In any event, he's running vitex, p5p, letro, and will possibly add clomid.

Will update if anything interesting happens or if the situation resolves itself.

Peace.
 
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