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Pumping and Toning - The borobulker story...

I know the feeling Casey, Recreate has some underated appetite suppression, even more so than OEP for me. I used to take 2 Recreate and 2 scoops of Jack3d then workout in the evening, I could barely get dinner down after that. Sounds like you got a sweet fasted protocol going on there.

borobulker said:
1/14 - A.M. - Fasted Cardio

10 minutes steady state - 3.1mph, flat
25 minutes intervals from 3-5mph, flat - 10 incline


I nailed a fasted protocol this morning, loved it....
630 - 1 OxyElite Pro, 1 Recreate - Go back to sleep for 20 mins.
655 - Foam roller + Light Stretching
700 - 5g 4:1:1 BCAA, 1 Anabolic-Pump, 2 SuperCissus RX
710 - Begin cardio - sip on 5g 4:1:1 BCAA, 1 scoop DominATP, 2 Propel packets
750 - Eat! (1c Oats, Apple, 2 scoops whey)

I typically do not use whey but I was dreading food at this point. It was all I had to drink that shake.
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oufinny said:
I know the feeling Casey, Recreate has some underated appetite suppression, even more so than OEP for me. I used to take 2 Recreate and 2 scoops of Jack3d then workout in the evening, I could barely get dinner down after that. Sounds like you got a sweet fasted protocol going on there.
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Thanks Fin...
It is literally the first product I have EVER seen any type of appetite suppression from. Recreate...

Then when OxyE came out, I was blown away.
 
I agree, both are pretty ridiculous. When I was on OEP, especially on the weekends when I wasn't on my work schedule, there were times I would go 6-7 hours without even thinking about food. When these are used together the synergy has to be retarded.
 
I like the 4:1:1 BCAA's I am currently taking a mixture of EAA, and Leucine for my BCAA intake. Soon to be thrown into one big bottle and mixed for ease of use. I am definitely taking in a little more than you per serving though. About 10 grams for cardio and 18-ish for weight workouts. I like the 1 OEP and 1 ReCreate too. However either of these products make it harder for me to eat. I am able to eat fine on them even though I typically don't get hungry on them. Fin is right if I don't have something scheduling me as I do now with Outlook reminders I won't remeber to eat.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Fin is right if I don't have something scheduling me as I do now with Outlook reminders I won't remeber to eat.
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I can't believe I am reading that! We have shared calendars at my work and mine has all of my meals and supps to take in it; I get lots of comments and looks. You should have seen it when I was taking the Asteroid stack, it was hilarious how many reminders I had.
 
oufinny said:
I can't believe I am reading that! We have shared calendars at my work and mine has all of my meals and supps to take in it; I get lots of comments and looks. You should have seen it when I was taking the Asteroid stack, it was hilarious how many reminders I had.
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Typically the average person would be intimidated and confused as hell on those dosing protocols ehh?
 
borobulker said:
Typically the average person would be intimidated and confused as hell on those dosing protocols ehh?
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I can tell you live close to Canada now Casey, did I catch an ehh in there? It is funny how many people can't figure out dosing on the Asteroid stack, it makes perfect sense to me and is VERY straightforward.
 
I think it has more to do with people just wanting to do it there way instead of what the bottle says. Yet if there is a timing to suggested to your doses and you don't follow it the way it says it all becomes mystical. Wow that guy following the directions is getting great results Let me ask what his SPECIAL dosing protocal is. Sure there are things not on the bottle that you can tweak but a lot of the people using the supplements are doing it looking for a shortcut not a supplement. They do not want to digest any of the information instead want someone else to hold there hand and walk them through how to follow the directions on the bottle. I love those people though, they will help pay my bills once I am training again...
 
Back to 5/3/1...

2/7/10

5/3/1 Squat...

Safety Squat Bar Box Squat
265*5
280*5
280*7 (calculations were off, and will be changed for next week)

EFS Glute Ham Raise
1 set, 7 reps (as demo for new training partner)

Horizontal Back Raise
4 sets, 10-12 reps

Superset x 3
EFS Powersquat
2 plates, 20 reps, SUPERclose stance
Leg Extensions
15 reps

Standing abs w/ spud strap
4 sets, 15-20

Neck work
laying, ext/cont
 
2/8/10 - am
Fasted Cardio
2 Recreate
3 DCP
3 SuperCissus Rx
20g 4:1:1 BCAA/10g Propel mix (sipped throughout)

Shoveled full driveway and neighbors driveway.
~15 minutes, high intensity.

Treadmill
Inc. 5, Sp. 3.9 - 5 minutes
Inc. 8, Sp. 4 - 30sec on/ 30 sec off - continued for 15 minutes

Hybrid eliptical/cross trainer
5min - 30sec on/30 sec off

Post-training
1 can of Wegmans SOYFREE tuna
2 tbsp of EVOO
1 tall glass of low acid OJ
3 TNA
3 Prime
2 SuperCissus
1 MultiV
6000IU Vit D3
 
2/8/10 - pm
Pre-training supplementation
MST Cre-02 - 4 tabs
2 Prime
2 TNA
3 Recreate
3 DCP
3 SuperCissus Rx
20g 4:1:1 BCAA/10g Propel mix (sipped throughout)

5/3/1 - Bench
Close Grip Bench
245*5
260*5
280*11

Hammer Strength Overhead Press machine
90*20
140*15
160*15
160*16

DB Rows
125*8
125*8
125*8
125*16

Superset x2
Incline DB Rollbacks
30*20
Incline Tate Press
30*20
Incline BW Pushups
*10

My calories are very low plus that stupid idea I had to do a body-part split destroyed my explosive power. I will get back, sooner than later AND leaner...
 
borobulker said:
2/8/10 - pm
Pre-training supplementation
MST Cre-02 - 4 tabs
2 Prime
2 TNA
3 Recreate
3 DCP
3 SuperCissus Rx
20g 4:1:1 BCAA/10g Propel mix (sipped throughout)

5/3/1 - Bench
Close Grip Bench
245*5
260*5
280*11

Hammer Strength Overhead Press machine
90*20
140*15
160*15
160*16

DB Rows
125*8
125*8
125*8
125*16

Superset x2
Incline DB Rollbacks
30*20
Incline Tate Press
30*20
Incline BW Pushups
*10

My calories are very low plus that stupid idea I had to do a body-part split destroyed my explosive power. I will get back, sooner than later AND leaner...
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Dont know what i like more....the stack or the routine.....:hitit:
 
borobulker said:
And it just got sweeter!!!
I just added some of Doug's CORE ABC to my layout!!!
I cannot wait!
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I really really want to know how you like this because I want to use it on my cut as a BCAA source... please give a review once you get a chance. It's not the cheapest but I like the ingredient profile a lot.
 
I literally finished a tub of Core today. The product is solid all around and I enjoyed it a lot, but I doubt i'd spend the cash for it. I traded for mine...lol.
 
CTDeuce said:
I literally finished a tub of Core today. The product is solid all around and I enjoyed it a lot, but I doubt i'd spend the cash for it. I traded for mine...lol.
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That is my reasoning for not jumping on it, not cheap! I am wanting to possibly try recoverPro by AI, looks like a good profile as well and LG EAA+BCAA.
 
oufinny said:
That is my reasoning for not jumping on it, not cheap! I am wanting to possibly try recoverPro by AI, looks like a good profile as well and LG EAA+BCAA.
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I greatly disliked the taste of bcaa+eaa. I still have half a tub from like 8 months ago lol.

as far as taste AND results go mixed into one package....so far the best i've tried IS the core.
 
CTDeuce said:
I literally finished a tub of Core today. The product is solid all around and I enjoyed it a lot, but I doubt i'd spend the cash for it. I traded for mine...lol.
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I just chugged 2 scoops... I would much rather spend the $ on this. The taste is great. Lately Xtend has tasted like gasoline to me and hurts my throat to drink and really funks with my stomach. I think I am really going to like Core ABC, dissolves perfectly.

O snap, here comes dat tingle.
 
borobulker said:
I just chugged 2 scoops... I would much rather spend the $ on this. The taste is great. Lately Xtend has tasted like gasoline to me and hurts my throat to drink and really funks with my stomach. I think I am really going to like Core ABC, dissolves perfectly.

O snap, here comes dat tingle.
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Always on the hunt for a good amino mix. ON my list to try:

RPG
RecoverPro
PurpleWrath

And now: Core ABC
 
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borobulker said:
I just chugged 2 scoops... I would much rather spend the $ on this. The taste is great. Lately Xtend has tasted like gasoline to me and hurts my throat to drink and really funks with my stomach. I think I am really going to like Core ABC, dissolves perfectly.

O snap, here comes dat tingle.
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What flavor do you have Casey? I am thinking white cherry for sure.
 
2/9/10
Off, no training

2/10/10 - am
Fasted Cardio
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+10g 4:1:1 BCAA/10g Propel mix (sipped throughout)

Shoveled full driveway
~5 minutes, high intensity, very little snow but good 'warm-up'

Hybrid eliptical/cross trainer
Inc. 5, Res. 20 - 5 minutes
Inc. 20, Res. 40 - 30sec on/ 30 sec off - continued for 15 minutes
Inc. 5, Res. 20 - 5 minutes (very slow)

Post-training
1 can of Wegmans SOYFREE tuna
2 tbsp of EVOO
1 small red apple
3 TNA
3 Prime
2 SuperCissus
1 Multi V
6000IU Vit D3
 
what multi are you using Casey? I couldnt tell if that was SportsPharma or if you were just listing that it was in fact, a multi v...lol
 
CTDeuce said:
what multi are you using Casey? I couldnt tell if that was SportsPharma or if you were just listing that it was in fact, a multi v...lol
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Right now - I am running a Vitamin Shoppe vitapack. I would love to run some MVP in the future ;-)
 
2/10/10 - pm
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+10g 4:1:1 BCAA/10g Propel mix (sipped throughout)

5/3/1 - Deadlift
Conventional, Stiff-leg Deadlifts
275*5
295*5
315*10
315*10
Grip was failing on these ones, went over/over for the first time forever... I will be working on that.

Hammer Strength Hamstring Curl, Horizontal
90*20
90*15
90*12
90*12

Ab, grip and bicep work
 
2/11/10
Fasted Cardio
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+10g 4:1:1 BCAA/10g Propel mix (sipped throughout)

Shoveled full driveway
~5 minutes, high intensity, very little snow but good 'warm-up' while car was warming up.

Treadmill
Inc. 10, Spd. 3.7 - 25 minutes

Hybrid eliptical/cross trainer
Inc. 20, Res. 40 - 30sec on/ 30 sec off - continued for 10 minutes

Post-training
1 VPX Zero Impact Bar
3 TNA
3 Prime
2 SuperCissus
1 MultiV
6000IU Vit D3
 
Casey, how is the DCP treating you? I am going to run it with OEP and possibly Recreate as well but am curious if you have any noticeable feeling from it. Also, 3 Recreate! That is a serious dose man.
 
Casey is a very big boy, and I bet he is trying to limit cortisol during fasted training with that dose. Hell his entire supplement line up is pretty NOICE!!!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Casey is a very big boy, and I bet he is trying to limit cortisol during fasted training with that dose. Hell his entire supplement line up is pretty NOICE!!!
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No doubt Kleen, he has at least 50 pounds on both of us I have just never heard of Recreate dosed 3 at a time that is all.
 
oufinny said:
No doubt Kleen, he has at least 50 pounds on both of us I have just never heard of Recreate dosed 3 at a time that is all.
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Yeah me either, plus I think Casey is closer to 300 now than 250, I may be wrong. Wasn't too far back he said he was in the 290 range or I think so anyway. Yeah i haven't seen anyone take 3 before but stim wise would not be any problem even for you and I. Now blood concentration-wise 3 is probably pretty on point for him.
 
oufinny said:
Casey, how is the DCP treating you? I am going to run it with OEP and possibly Recreate as well but am curious if you have any noticeable feeling from it. Also, 3 Recreate! That is a serious dose man.
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Well, not 100% sure. Thermo effect is ~60-70% of that of 1 OEP with the DCP+RC. BUT, my fat-loss took a little spike in the last 2 weeks. I am down ~22lbs since Jan.

I'm very happy with everything. Started at 298, weighed 274-276 last night.
 
borobulker said:
Well, not 100% sure. Thermo effect is ~60-70% of that of 1 OEP with the DCP+RC. BUT, my fat-loss took a little spike in the last 2 weeks. I am down ~22lbs since Jan.

I'm very happy with everything. Started at 298, weighed 274-276 last night.
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DAM!!! thats some intense cutten you been doing there buddy!
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
DAM!!! thats some intense cutten you been doing there buddy!
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Jacob helped me straighten my diet out... I am not nearly as strong, but that is ok as this is not a 'strength' phase.

Also - I obviously increased the cardio work. I am freakin' whopped...
 
2/11/10 - pm
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5/3/1 - Shoulder Press
Standing Shoulder Press
165*5
175*5
185*10
185*5

Chest work
Incline Dumbbell Press, 2 sets
Hammer Strength Machine Flat Press, 2 sets

Back work
Mid grip lat pull-downs to chin, 4 sets

Tricep work
Tate Press, 4 sets

Grip work
Wrist curl apparatus, 2 sets
 
2/11/10 - am
Pre-training supplementation
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+10g 4:1:1 BCAA/10g Propel mix (sipped throughout)

5/3/1 - Squat
Neutral (narrow) stance, SSB Box Squats
250*3
265*3
280*8
- this is NAILING my core. These weights are embarrassing to look at but, wow is it heavy. It is amazing how hard this bar is to walk out of a 45* rack...

EFS Glute-Ham Raise
6 sets of 5 with front-end on blocks

SSB Conventional GM's
4 sets *8

Bicep work
Preacher curl and cable curl, 3 sets, super-set

Standing abs
3 sets

Whole job was done in 55 minutes...
 
I bought a ton of equipment over the weekend for my garage gym... planning on having it ready for late spring...

Saturday - 2 130# plateloaded DB's, homemade bentover row machine, flat bench, weight tree, 45* hyper-extension

Picking up some rubber flooring next week.

Already have - 2 bars, ~1000# of weight, power rack, ~300lbs in chains, safety chains for power rack, farmers walk handles, 20# DB's, 30# DB's, curl bars and other junk....

Always looking for more, stuff is tough to find!

"Try getting psyched up for a heavy four-board press with Justin Timberlake blaring on the loudspeakers. I’m all for bringing “Sexy Back,” but I’ll save it for the dance floor, not my training session."
 
Sounds like the garage gym is going to beat going to the gym when you are done. AWESOME!!!!
 
borobulker said:
I bought a ton of equipment over the weekend for my garage gym... planning on having it ready for late spring...

Saturday - 2 130# plateloaded DB's, homemade bentover row machine, flat bench, weight tree, 45* hyper-extension

Picking up some rubber flooring next week.

Already have - 2 bars, ~1000# of weight, power rack, ~300lbs in chains, safety chains for power rack, farmers walk handles, 20# DB's, 30# DB's, curl bars and other junk....

Always looking for more, stuff is tough to find!

"Try getting psyched up for a heavy four-board press with Justin Timberlake blaring on the loudspeakers. I’m all for bringing “Sexy Back,” but I’ll save it for the dance floor, not my training session."
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I want a power rack so bad. good deal on your gym. Once im fully moved into my new place i'll send you a pic of mine :)
 
CTDeuce said:
I want a power rack so bad. good deal on your gym. Once im fully moved into my new place i'll send you a pic of mine :)
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Once you get use to squatting in one...you never wanna squat without one!
 
CTDeuce said:
yeah I totally believe it. Right now I just have the stupid freestanding bars that look like they're going to collapse anytime I put the weight back on them...lol
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Hey you know when ur back, core and legs are more stable then the steel bars ur lifitng it off from, your doing something right!
 
2/15/10 - pm
Pre-training supplementation
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+10g 4:1:1 BCAA/10g Propel mix (sipped throughout)

5/3/1 - Bench
Close grip bench press
260*3
280*3
295*9
(no spotter so I had to be conservative here)

Side Raises
4 sets w/ 30#DBs

Dips/Lat Pulldowns
4 sets *8

Tricep Pressdowns
Stack *8, 3 sets

Whole job was done in 45 minutes...
 
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