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Planning an upcoming PH cycle within the next few weeks which will be including a 19-nor product. I know HGHup has l-dopa in it which will help against prolactin gyno. My question is, do you guys think HGHup wil benefit me more during on cycle?PCT?or should I just buy two bottles and run it through both?
 
wesb2387 said:
Planning an upcoming PH cycle within the next few weeks which will be including a 19-nor product. I know HGHup has l-dopa in it which will help against prolactin gyno. My question is, do you guys think HGHup wil benefit me more during on cycle?PCT?or should I just buy two bottles and run it through both?
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You'd be better off using it for PCT than on-cycle, starting it in the last week of your cycle and running it for 8 weeks (i.e. 2 bottles).

~Rosie
Team APPNUT
 
JN230 said:
guejsn can you explain as to why it is more beenficial PCT than on cycle? please
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This has been explained numerous times. Simply, Growth Hormone and Testosterone boosters are better used in PCT instead of either on-cycle or both on-cycle and in PCT, because during PCT you want to return your body's HPTA to homeostasis as soon as possible and such products aid in this, as well as helping with maintaining or adding to gains.

~Rosie
Team APPNUT
 
i wasnt under the impression that running a cycle effected your GH levels to plumit if you didnt use a product to boost GH afterwards... but then again i only sell PH not use them so im in no way shape or form the be all end all.

but i could totally see having better mind muscle control with the new fibers created on cycle, and also GH aided fat loss after cycle would be very beneficial, i jsut didnt know in what aspect HGHup would benefit at user....
 
JN230 said:
i wasnt under the impression that running a cycle effected your GH levels to plumit if you didnt use a product to boost GH afterwards... but then again i only sell PH not use them so im in no way shape or form the be all end all.

but i could totally see having better mind muscle control with the new fibers created on cycle, and also GH aided fat loss after cycle would be very beneficial, i jsut didnt know in what aspect HGHup would benefit at user....
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You can use it on cycle bro, 3 caps prebed, pm me if you need more help.
 
i also say PCT cause HGHup increases testosterone and a PH shuts that natural production of test down so it kinda defeats the purpose of using a cycle. are you gyno pron? if not, i wouldnt even consider using HGHup during a PH cycle.
 
JN230 said:
i wasnt under the impression that running a cycle effected your GH levels to plumit if you didnt use a product to boost GH afterwards... but then again i only sell PH not use them so im in no way shape or form the be all end all.

but i could totally see having better mind muscle control with the new fibers created on cycle, and also GH aided fat loss after cycle would be very beneficial, i jsut didnt know in what aspect HGHup would benefit at user....
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I am not referring to Growth Hormone levels during a cycle; that is irrelevant. The fact is that HGHup♂ is ALSO a Testosterone booster, which IS what you want for PCT (using one during a cycle would be a waste of time). I recommended starting it with a week left to go on your cycle so that it will have kicked in for your PCT, as most products as such take ~7 days to kick in.

~Rosie
Team APPNUT
 
ah well i wasnt well versed enough on HGHup to be talking i guess, as i didnt know it had testosterone boosting related ingredients in it
 
I really wanna use it on cycle for its sleep purposes. Might do the three caps before bed then switch it to either 2am/3 pre-bed or 5 pre-bed in PCT.
 
JN230 said:
ah well i wasnt well versed enough on HGHup to be talking i guess, as i didnt know it had testosterone boosting related ingredients in it
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Please read the product Invalid Link Removed.

~Rosie
Team APPNUT[
 
DO NOT DO IT ON CYCLE! it defeats the whole cycle purpose! if you want great sleep, take ZMA or melatonin. rosie can give you many great sleep aids but if you choose HGHup, do it during or after PCT, not on cycle. listen to us man.
 
rosie, correct me if im wrong, but when u take a cycle, it shuts down your natural test production and whatever PH you are on is like a synthetic test and it is used as your natural test but it makes you grow alot faster. why would you take something like HGHup that increases natural test while on a cycle when you are trying to cut off your natural production with a synthetic testosterone which is your PH. its kinda an oxymoron. im going to take a cycle of steroids so im going to use a natural test booster with it. lol
 
R1balla said:
rosie, correct me if im wrong, but when u take a cycle, it shuts down your natural test production and whatever PH you are on is like a synthetic test and it is used as your natural test but it makes you grow alot faster. why would you take something like HGHup that increases natural test while on a cycle when you are trying to cut off your natural production with a synthetic testosterone which is your PH. its kinda an oxymoron. im going to take a cycle of steroids so im going to use a natural test booster with it. lol
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That's why she's recommending it be taken during PCT.
 
Then why am I seeing logs on other boards with the sole purpose of the log is to see what the benefits of taking HGHup on cycle will be? Not saying you guys are wrong just wondering...
 
R1balla said:
rosie, correct me if im wrong, but when u take a cycle, it shuts down your natural test production and whatever PH you are on is like a synthetic test and it is used as your natural test but it makes you grow alot faster. why would you take something like HGHup that increases natural test while on a cycle when you are trying to cut off your natural production with a synthetic testosterone which is your PH. its kinda an oxymoron. im going to take a cycle of steroids so im going to use a natural test booster with it. lol
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When you do a hormonal cycle it may or may not shutdown your natural Testosterone production; it just depends on the compound being used.

The hormonal product used does not act like a synthetic Testosterone; it is completely different.

You're not trying to cut off your natural Testosterone production on-cycle; if it occurs, it is a side experienced during that particular cycle.


wesb2387 said:
Then why am I seeing logs on other boards with the sole purpose of the log is to see what the benefits of taking HGHup on cycle will be? Not saying you guys are wrong just wondering...
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I did not say that it could not be used on-cycle. I said "Growth Hormone and Testosterone boosters are better used in PCT instead of either on-cycle or both on-cycle and in PCT". It also depends on the product, though, as well.

The reasoning behind those using HGHup♂ on-cycle is because it contains L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate. L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate increases the androgen receptor content of tissues, which means that more Testosterone and more androgens reach their target tissues and therefore theoretically the hormonal product being used would have a better anabolic effect.


~Rosie
Team APPNUT
 
personally, I like the idea of L-Dopa during a cycle.

You may want two bottles, 4 weeks of on cycle (for prolactin control) and 4 weeks as part/b] of your pct

I may try Formadrol plus HGH up for my next pct and run HGHup alongside my old school tren PH (not the 19nor, but the one where 8mg was the preferred dose and came in 2mg increments, TRN as it was known)
 
andrew732 said:
Just a remminder, LCLT is VERY effective on cycle..............
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This is what interests me in putting in my next cycle.

In response to the original poster, I have to admit we recommend at Primordial adding in a dopamine agonist with any 19-Nor cycle, especially if the said cycle that wesb2387 is running is one of the stronger 'Tren' compounds.

It's not essential, and again, if oestrogen is kept in check or the user doesn't suffer from progestin-induced side effects it may not be warranted, so neither Rosie or anyone suggesting the use of L-dopa on-cycle is wrong, it boils down to the individual.
 
R1balla said:
DO NOT DO IT ON CYCLE! it defeats the whole cycle purpose! if you want great sleep, take ZMA or melatonin. rosie can give you many great sleep aids but if you choose HGHup, do it during or after PCT, not on cycle. listen to us man.
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The problem with ZMA is it is useless if you take in calcium at night. Melatonin is good though!

UKStrength said:
This is what interests me in putting in my next cycle.

In response to the original poster, I have to admit we recommend at Primordial adding in a dopamine agonist with any 19-Nor cycle, especially if the said cycle that wesb2387 is running is one of the stronger 'Tren' compounds.

It's not essential, and again, if oestrogen is kept in check or the user doesn't suffer from progestin-induced side effects it may not be warranted, so neither Rosie or anyone suggesting the use of L-dopa on-cycle is wrong, it boils down to the individual.
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For a 'Competetive Edge Labs' X-tren / M-drol cycle what would you rec. for a dopamine agonist? I am going to start a cycle next month and was just wondering what you would rec. so I can do some research to make sure I am not missing anything while on the cycle. I do have a list of stuff already just curious on the 'agonist' recommendation.
 
not true, well for me not true. i used to make my protein shakes at night then take ZMA 1 hr after and it worked fine.
 
R1balla said:
not true, well for me not true. i used to make my protein shakes at night then take ZMA 1 hr after and it worked fine.
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Calcium blocks the absorption of ZMA! If I could post some links I would show some information about ZMA to prove it to you. It may be working for you but is not near as effective as it could.

Wikipedia; The proportion of ingredients generally used in products is 20-30 mg zinc, 400-500 mg magnesium and ~10mg B6. According to the label directions, ZMA should be taken before bed on an empty stomach (2 hours after eating your last meal and at least 30 minutes prior to any other supplements). The product should not be taken with calcium (cheese,milk,etc.), the reason being that calcium blocks the absorption of zinc.

From Interhealth Neutraceuticals;

ZMA; ZMA
a unique, powerful non-steroidal vitamin-mineral support formula to help promote testosterone and insulin-like growth factor levels formulated to enhance muscle strength, endurance, healing, recovery and growth

The recommended daily dose of ZMA® is three capsules (808 milligrams ZMA® per capsule) for men and two capsules for women taken on an empty stomach 30-60 minutes before bedtime. The reason for this is that healing, recovery, tissue repair and muscle growth are maximized during sleep.

Additional Recommendations

Since calcium interferes with the absorption of zinc and magnesium, it is recommended that ZMA® not be formulated with calcium-based excipients nor taken with dairy products or other calcium-containing foods or supplements. For additional information on dosing, follow manufacturer's recommended use printed on the label and/or talk to your healthcare professional.

I've thought of trying ZMA but being I take casein protein at night it would be a waste and I don't see any benefit from this product to take this instead of protein at bedtime. I suppose if you are taking a fast acting protein that is fully digested within an hour then ZMA would be fine. Other than that ZMA seems stupid to take on a workout day when protein is needed during the night.
 
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