Havoc...neeed to bail, please help

monsterbox

monsterbox

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I've ran havoc before...I've had good experiences from it twice.

I'm currently on TRT.

I had 3 extra bottles sitting around and its been a year. I figured id give it a go again.

I've taken it for 6 days (today being the 6th day) dosed accordingly, 20,20,30,40,30,30

For some reason, starting yesterday, I'm getting nausea and complete loss of appetite. I also have super bad insomnia and now I'm starting to get anxiety out the ***. Like real bad anxiety... My BP has been consistently 155/85 its normally 115/65.


Anyhow, I'm going to bail...not worth going through this crap again.

Please, how long until its out of my system and my BP drops back to normal and my hormones stabilize? Once again, I'm on TRT with HCG. I was feeling amazing a week ago...now I feel like a phsycopath! Theres really no need for me to use steroids as I'm already huge..I was just having some fun. Not worth sides!
 
I'm not sure how long the half life is of epi but search for it (i want to say 8 hrs) then figure out how many miligrams you've taken and do the math. I'm not trying to talk to you like you're stupid but if I knew the half life of the compound I would have just told you.
 
I've read that Epi is 6 hours and SD is 8 hours. Don't know how accurate the source was. I'll see if I can find it, again.
 
well thanks for the advice I guys...its been 24hrs and I feel slightly better. I still have NO appetite..

I've never had this happen before on havoc...it completely eliminated my appetite and made me feel sick everytime I ate.
 
The estimated half life of Epi is 6 hrs according to this...

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well I feel much better today. Slept 100% last night for the first time since taking it.

Wonder why it did this to me this time around
 
you think it was overstimulation of the nervous system or something? I felt really hyped up day 4-6 like I was on lots of caffeine and my BP was way up. I gained 2-3lbs and my strength was insane. I normally deadlift 315x8, I did 375x6! This stuff doesn't roll in until week 2. I was so hyped up it started making me anxious/loosing my appetite.

I wish I didn't have to bail, but it wouldn't let me sleep. I wonder if the Primaforce is overdosed. The capsules are way bigger than RPN capsules.

Is it possible my T levels were too high? I mean i'm on 300mg/day of T-gel+HCG
 
i got high blood pressure from taking diesel's ready for war, but for reasons that i have no idea, but i had constant headaches and couldn't sleep, after stopping it everything got alittle better and i also ran some detox just to clean everything out and thats when my bp returned to normal and i felt like 10 years of my life were returned to me
 
well its known that anabolics raise your BP and they increase your RBC and Hematocrit levels.

This really irritates me. I loved havoc but it felt terrible this time for some odd reason.
 
Young Gotti said:
i got high blood pressure from taking diesel's ready for war, but for reasons that i have no idea, but i had constant headaches and couldn't sleep, after stopping it everything got alittle better and i also ran some detox just to clean everything out and thats when my bp returned to normal and i felt like 10 years of my life were returned to me
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I didn't realize Ready for War was that strong... that's crazy.
 
monsterbox said:
I've ran havoc before...I've had good experiences from it twice.

I'm currently on TRT.

I had 3 extra bottles sitting around and its been a year. I figured id give it a go again.

I've taken it for 6 days (today being the 6th day) dosed accordingly, 20,20,30,40,30,30

For some reason, starting yesterday, I'm getting nausea and complete loss of appetite. I also have super bad insomnia and now I'm starting to get anxiety out the ***. Like real bad anxiety... My BP has been consistently 155/85 its normally 115/65.


Anyhow, I'm going to bail...not worth going through this crap again.

Please, how long until its out of my system and my BP drops back to normal and my hormones stabilize? Once again, I'm on TRT with HCG. I was feeling amazing a week ago...now I feel like a phsycopath! Theres really no need for me to use steroids as I'm already huge..I was just having some fun. Not worth sides!
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quit being a pus*y and ramp up the dosage and stick it out. no pain, no gain.

Just kidding, happy new year, glad youre feeling normal! :D
 
jbryand101b said:
quit being a pus*y and ramp up the dosage and stick it out. no pain, no gain.

Just kidding, happy new year, glad youre feeling normal! :D
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haha...thanks man. happy new years.

I'm definitely not going to puss out on this tho, I wil try it again in the future once the doc clears my TRT for 6 month check ups
 
monsterbox said:
well thanks for the advice I guys...its been 24hrs and I feel slightly better. I still have NO appetite..

I've never had this happen before on havoc...it completely eliminated my appetite and made me feel sick everytime I ate.
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this happened to me in my pct after an epi cycle. the only logical thing i guess would be the body reacting badly to hormone fluctuations. you seemed to raise the miligrams up pretty fast there and that could've been a big swing.
 
statik said:
I didn't realize Ready for War was that strong... that's crazy.
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I don't think it's like that, but it says i believe without looking at the bottle to up the dosage to 3 pills, i took 2 the first day and felt like garbage, after that i was only taking 1 pill which was alittle better until the middle of the second week when i started getting headaches everyday and had my ex gf who was a nurse give me a bp test and it was elevated so i stopped
 
Young Gotti said:
I don't think it's like that, but it says i believe without looking at the bottle to up the dosage to 3 pills, i took 2 the first day and felt like garbage, after that i was only taking 1 pill which was alittle better until the middle of the second week when i started getting headaches everyday and had my ex gf who was a nurse give me a bp test and it was elevated so i stopped
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Yeah I see what you mean.
 
Ju1cedUp said:
this happened to me in my pct after an epi cycle. the only logical thing i guess would be the body reacting badly to hormone fluctuations. you seemed to raise the miligrams up pretty fast there and that could've been a big swing.
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you may be right. I know that TRT keeps a constant T and E level. Epi is supposed to dry you out while actually raising E2. But as it shuts down your T the E should rop.

So, If I'm on TRT its probably increasing my E too high.
 
well, after doing some research I've found that havoc/epi infact Increases E2. Blood tests show much elevated E2 levels. This suggests that the compound in fact causes dryness through action of modulating estrogen like a SERM while actually raising E2. I thought it was completely non-aromatizing.

Well, I'm beginning to believe it boosted my already probably borderline high E2 from not using an AI on TRT. My E2 probably went up which caused anxiety/insomnia...next time Ill get a blood test pre-cycle.
 
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