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Pulsing Novedex...Yay or Nay?

srocco112

srocco112

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I have enough left to run straight for 30 days. Or i was thinking of only running it mon-fri (the days i lift) and taking sat-sun off (my recovery days). Is this not advised with this product or would it be ok?

When I run DTHC i always do 5 on 2 off. I just wasnt sure if i should not do this with novedex.
 
Using DTHC on a 5 on 2 off basis is to slow the attenuation of some of the exogenous herbs. Why do you want to pulse Novedex?
 
Hmm hormones bouncing like that is unfavourable. Imo you should run it straight or forget it =)

Novedex XT killed him libido, I know that I for one is not going to use it again.
 
using a test boosters 5 on 2 off is a totally different concept than using an AI. Run the Novedex straight through.
 
first off is this for pct? you never said.
 
I pulse ATD and really dont see the problem with it. I do it to keep my test levels up but too much ATD dries me out so the off days lets some estrogen come back. I never take an AI the night before I run. I'm not talking pct here. I realize my test levels wont be as high as it would be if I ran is straight through. Can someone explain the problems with this?
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
I pulse ATD and really dont see the problem with it. I do it to keep my test levels up but too much ATD dries me out so the off days lets some estrogen come back. I never take an AI the night before I run. I'm not talking pct here. I realize my test levels wont be as high as it would be if I ran is straight through. Can someone explain the problems with this?
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i am going to go out on a limb and say go for it. i have heard of guys using atd every other day while on cycle or for ai for testosterone replacement. my preference would be td formestane, but if you already have the novedex i say go for it.
 
i have used 6-oxo on a every other day basis while on a cycle of dthc and saw great result. Was just wondering about novedex
 
I'd speculate to say that the idea that estrogen "bounces back" every day on off days of a pulse is broski lore. IMO hormones don't shift like that and we don't respond that strongly to the otc AI's for a jump during ON days. Again just pure speculation, but I'm going to guess you're going to have problems down the road with sensitive nips, maybe some gyno, and maybe some libido issues with this method. Just guessing, tell me if I'm right next summer a few months after your ATD runs out.

I'm also calling complete BS on the marketing scam that an AI can be used low dose long term for HRT. Lowering estrogen when trying to increase natural test doesn't solve anything. I suspect that the AI "falsly" binds to test receptors and produce a temporary test like effect. That's why we see nice strength gains with 6oxo, Novedex, Hyperdrol but no mass gains. IF they had the same response as test when bloodwork shows test in the 8 and 9 hundreds, why don't people gain 8-10 pounds in 8 weeks of Novedex? Because it doesn't work that way.
 
celc5 said:
I'd speculate to say that the idea that estrogen "bounces back" every day on off days of a pulse is broski lore. IMO hormones don't shift like that and we don't respond that strongly to the otc AI's for a jump during ON days. Again just pure speculation, but I'm going to guess you're going to have problems down the road with sensitive nips, maybe some gyno, and maybe some libido issues with this method. Just guessing, tell me if I'm right next summer a few months after your ATD runs out.

I'm also calling complete BS on the marketing scam that an AI can be used low dose long term for HRT. Lowering estrogen when trying to increase natural test doesn't solve anything. I suspect that the AI "falsly" binds to test receptors and produce a temporary test like effect. That's why we see nice strength gains with 6oxo, Novedex, Hyperdrol but no mass gains. IF they had the same response as test when bloodwork shows test in the 8 and 9 hundreds, why don't people gain 8-10 pounds in 8 weeks of Novedex? Because it doesn't work that way.
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if you were running a cycle of test i might agree with you, but with trt you are just trying to get to high normal. an ai would work to keep symtoms such as water weight/bloating and excess aromatase at bay. i am using an ai now and have lost 2 pounds of what seems like water in the first few days. ams clomidex is what i am using, and so far i like it. not looking to gain any mass from clomidex as i already gained 24 pounds from the test cyp.
 
celc5 said:
I'd speculate to say that the idea that estrogen "bounces back" every day on off days of a pulse is broski lore. IMO hormones don't shift like that and we don't respond that strongly to the otc AI's for a jump during ON days. Again just pure speculation, but I'm going to guess you're going to have problems down the road with sensitive nips, maybe some gyno, and maybe some libido issues with this method. Just guessing, tell me if I'm right next summer a few months after your ATD runs out.

I'm also calling complete BS on the marketing scam that an AI can be used low dose long term for HRT. Lowering estrogen when trying to increase natural test doesn't solve anything. I suspect that the AI "falsly" binds to test receptors and produce a temporary test like effect. That's why we see nice strength gains with 6oxo, Novedex, Hyperdrol but no mass gains. IF they had the same response as test when bloodwork shows test in the 8 and 9 hundreds, why don't people gain 8-10 pounds in 8 weeks of Novedex? Because it doesn't work that way.
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Are these libido issues and what not that you are referring to long term and permanent? Or are you just speaking in terms of you may encounter a few issues for the month or two after you stop the cycle?
 
Fyi I have used atd since it was put on the market. the only thing that makes my nips puffy is a cycle. never had a problem off cycle. i also try to taper up and down with the atd. I think the affects of the AI are slow and dont expect anything from day to day but maybe from week to week. Also i have done away with cycles and just pulse now. I like the slow solid results with very little shutdown.
 
T,
ya I definately wasn't referring to ON cycle. I personally think that running a low dose OTC AI on cycle doesn't hurt gains and is a nice safe guard for prevention like you're doing. On that note, I wouldn't run Adex unless I had too... just to differentiate.

Srocco,
I think that will vary from person to person. And especially depending on age. IMO the 21-27, 28ish age range can get away with just about anything and see very little repercussion. When you get into the 30+ you start to see slower recovery and some sides. I suspect that at age 40+ cycles and hormonals leave more people in the crapper than is discussed, probably because of how great they felt with the supplement/ph, which clouds their judgement when speculating what CAUSED their issues. In other words, how could something that worked so well and felt so good have been the cause of these issues?

Wasted,
glad it worked for you. I'm just sharing my opinion. My intentions weren't to critique or contradict yours. I apologize if I came across as a dikc :D
 
celc5 said:
T,
ya I definately wasn't referring to ON cycle. I personally think that running a low dose OTC AI on cycle doesn't hurt gains and is a nice safe guard for prevention like you're doing. On that note, I wouldn't run Adex unless I had too... just to differentiate.

Srocco,
I think that will vary from person to person. And especially depending on age. IMO the 21-27, 28ish age range can get away with just about anything and see very little repercussion. When you get into the 30+ you start to see slower recovery and some sides. I suspect that at age 40+ cycles and hormonals leave more people in the crapper than is discussed, probably because of how great they felt with the supplement/ph, which clouds their judgement when speculating what CAUSED their issues. In other words, how could something that worked so well and felt so good have been the cause of these issues?

Wasted,
glad it worked for you. I'm just sharing my opinion. My intentions weren't to critique or contradict yours. I apologize if I came across as a dikc :D
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hahaha, you aint no dikc, lol. i enjoy having differing opinions with you, i always seem to learn something when i have to defend my position. btw-my e- levels are within range so no script from doc, but that doesn't mean there are no e-sides like the water retention/bloating and fat gain. believe it or not but otc seems to take care of these symtoms nicely.
 
Hey it's cool, I did not take it negatively. Just sharing my experiences. I dont have bloodwork to back anything and I'm not an expert. Just chiming in to help the board. And I was not meaning to be a dikc either.
 
Isn't it nice that we clear the air during the holidays. If it was a hot muggy August, we would have had an e-battle going on for days LOL :run: <--- that's how I e-battle :laugh2:
 
celc5 said:
Isn't it nice that we clear the air during the holidays. If it was a hot muggy August, we would have had an e-battle going on for days LOL :run: <--- that's how I e-battle :laugh2:
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:chairshot::wizard::duel::
 
I disagree with anyone who says ATD can not be pulsed, especially novadex that has ether on it to slow down half-life, regardless aromasin is win, 5mg 2-3 times a week with NO rebound.
 
andrew732 said:
I disagree with anyone who says ATD can not be pulsed, especially novadex that has ether on it to slow down half-life, regardless aromasin is win, 5mg 2-3 times a week with NO rebound.
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this is true, i know many who use aromasin at 5mg eod.
 
sorry to dig back into this old post, but im looking to start a new cycle of novedex in april. What is the overall consensus of this question and pulsing it...yes it is safe, or no it is not? The only thing that is worrying me is celc5's post about what may happen to you a few months after.
 
thebigt said:
i am going to go out on a limb and say go for it. i have heard of guys using atd every other day while on cycle or for ai for testosterone replacement. my preference would be td formestane, but if you already have the novedex i say go for it.
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Using an AI on cycle w/ an aromatizable steroid is 100% different; that is to help protect against estrogen buildup.
Using an AI as a test booster solo eod is just stupid. Twisting hormones is not the way to go.

srocco112 said:
sorry to dig back into this old post, but im looking to start a new cycle of novedex in april. What is the overall consensus of this question and pulsing it...yes it is safe, or no it is not? The only thing that is worrying me is celc5's post about what may happen to you a few months after.
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read above.
 
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