Jan 4, 2010 - Ban for 3 PH/Steroids
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nosnmiveins
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u shut ur mouth RIGHT now!
Kernkraft
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dumbhick3
Member
Sad but always some humor in the details
I think Inspector Clouseau could have solved this mystery
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In all seriousness, what else is new? It is good to know which ones are now illegal or about to be, don't get me wrong. But this will be a cycle that occurs again and again (ever since the MLB scandal really). In the mean time, it's time to get ready for my next cycle!
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I think Inspector Clouseau could have solved this mystery
.In all seriousness, what else is new? It is good to know which ones are now illegal or about to be, don't get me wrong. But this will be a cycle that occurs again and again (ever since the MLB scandal really). In the mean time, it's time to get ready for my next cycle!
Libertarian
Active member
The government would rather steal more money from the American people (aka tax increases) then cut down the government.
Next time any of you guys get a chance, hit up the Invalid Link Removed and look at the HUGE list of government departments that we are funding with our tax dollars. There are some real bullsh*t ones on there. Sometimes I'll click on some of the more obscure sounding ones and read the descriptions. Usually I fail to make any sense at all of what the purpose of the department is, why we need it, and most of all - what the hell makes it worth my hard-earned money.
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jbryand101b
Banned
what is interesting is in reading this, you see how powerless we really are as citizens.
if you read through, you see the dea failed to show bold and prodien (tren) were related to test, but the dea would just disagree, pretty much saying, f*ck you, our test dont have to be right, we are the dea, and what we say goes b*tches. :deal:
if you read through, you see the dea failed to show bold and prodien (tren) were related to test, but the dea would just disagree, pretty much saying, f*ck you, our test dont have to be right, we are the dea, and what we say goes b*tches. :deal:
De Santo
Member
Yup...that's pretty scary. I downloaded and read the whole PDF and it was absolutely mind blowing. It just reminded me that they can pretty much trump anything that anyone says just because they're the DEA...it's the same reason why marijuana it still illegal today.
De Santo
Member
Yes...better get it while you can b/c after 01/04/2010 it won't be legally available.
jason79
New member
These obscure gov depts must be all the "new jobs" that the administration is supposedly creating. So they increase taxes on private enterprise- decreasing their incentive to expand and hire so that they can then use the funds to create more czars and gov depts.
juice3320
Banned
California legalized marijuana just recently though so anything is possible. Federally it is illegal but the Federal Government decided to overlook it in California (mainly as a way to increase cumulative revenue in the state per capita). So in essence anything is possible in this country (good or bad).
dumbhick3
Member
Might want to stock up on some other things too if you haven't already. One of the authors of this study does nothing but studies on steroids and sports, and she co-authored one of the studies on Phera/DMT in the DEA ban for 3 steroids PDF (which is how I found this). Also, consider that many of the studies on these 3 banned-soon steroids were conducted starting in 2006 and are just now being banned (perhaps all of our favorite supps are being studied as we speak or have been underway already).
Steroids. 2009 Mar;74(3):306-14. Epub 2008 Nov 13.
Identification of drostanolone and 17-methyldrostanolone metabolites produced by cryopreserved human hepatocytes.
Gauthier J, Goudreault D, Poirier D, Ayotte C.
INRS-Institut Armand-Frappier, 531, boul. des Prairies, Laval, Québec H7V 1B7, Canada.
Methyldrostanolone (2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl-17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androstan-3-one) was synthesized from drostanolone (17beta-hydroxy-2alpha-methyl-5alpha-androstan-3-one) and identified in commercial products. Cultures of cryopreserved human hepatocytes were used to study the biotransformation of drostanolone and its 17-methylated derivative. For both steroids, the common 3alpha- (major) and 3beta-reduced metabolites were identified by GC-MS analysis of the extracted culture medium and the stereochemistry confirmed by incubation with 3alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase. Structures corresponding to hydroxylated metabolites in C-12 (minor) and C-16 were proposed for other metabolites based upon the evaluation of the mass spectra of the pertrimethylsilyl (TMS-d(0) and TMS-d(9)) derivatives. Finally, on the basis of the GC-MS and (1)H NMR data and through chemical synthesis of the 17-methylated model compounds, structures could be proposed for metabolites hydroxylated in C-2. All the metabolites extracted from hepatocyte culture medium were present although in different relative amounts in urines collected following the administration to a human volunteer, therefore confirming the suitability of the cryopreserved hepatocytes to generate characteristic metabolites and study biotransformation of new steroids.
Steroids. 2009 Mar;74(3):306-14. Epub 2008 Nov 13.
Identification of drostanolone and 17-methyldrostanolone metabolites produced by cryopreserved human hepatocytes.
Gauthier J, Goudreault D, Poirier D, Ayotte C.
INRS-Institut Armand-Frappier, 531, boul. des Prairies, Laval, Québec H7V 1B7, Canada.
Methyldrostanolone (2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl-17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androstan-3-one) was synthesized from drostanolone (17beta-hydroxy-2alpha-methyl-5alpha-androstan-3-one) and identified in commercial products. Cultures of cryopreserved human hepatocytes were used to study the biotransformation of drostanolone and its 17-methylated derivative. For both steroids, the common 3alpha- (major) and 3beta-reduced metabolites were identified by GC-MS analysis of the extracted culture medium and the stereochemistry confirmed by incubation with 3alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase. Structures corresponding to hydroxylated metabolites in C-12 (minor) and C-16 were proposed for other metabolites based upon the evaluation of the mass spectra of the pertrimethylsilyl (TMS-d(0) and TMS-d(9)) derivatives. Finally, on the basis of the GC-MS and (1)H NMR data and through chemical synthesis of the 17-methylated model compounds, structures could be proposed for metabolites hydroxylated in C-2. All the metabolites extracted from hepatocyte culture medium were present although in different relative amounts in urines collected following the administration to a human volunteer, therefore confirming the suitability of the cryopreserved hepatocytes to generate characteristic metabolites and study biotransformation of new steroids.
jbryand101b
Banned
california isn't the only state. there are a few others that have legalized it for medicinal use.
steroids are already legalized for medical purposes, what would be a leap would be if states legalized either one for personal use. then, i'd be like :usa2:
what is flat out in the document was how the fda's test were inaccurate in showing bold and proedienolone (tren) were related to test, and therefor shouldn't be class three.
dea just disagreed and said they were right, no matter how you look at it. what? it's missing these molecules, that the body cant add it, and doesn't have this effect in lh,fs, and the anterior muscle? so, we said it's related to test. thats it.:rasp:
jbryand101b
Banned
yep, and injectable test is still king, and still easy to get.
it's all to line their pockets with our hard earned cash. they aren't making a difference.
lyfespan
Well-known member
Terrific, a witch hunt for pills, when the economy is in a state of ruin,of which we can't even begin to figure out repair. People are losing their houses left and right, crime is on the rise bcuz of this, but lets waste efforts and massive resources to chase pill pushers.
FUC KINA has all logic and common sense just been abandoned sumwheres?
Just put your finger in the dyke that will fix it.
FUC KINA has all logic and common sense just been abandoned sumwheres?
Just put your finger in the dyke that will fix it.
dumbhick3
Member
"Prescriptions. All prescriptions for these schedule III substances or for products containing these schedule III substances are required to be issued pursuant to 21 CFR 1306.03–1306.06 and 1306.21–1306.27. All prescriptions for these schedule III compounds or for products containing these schedule III substances, if authorized for refilling, are limited to five refills within six months of the date of issuance of the prescription."
5 Refills in 6 months for pro-dienolone and pheraplex seems excessive:deal:.
"Criminal Liability. Any activity with any substance defined as an anabolic steroid not authorized by, or in violation of, the Controlled Substances Act or the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act occurring on or after January 4, 2010 is unlawful."
"Any activity with any substance..."-I guess I can't masturbate with 1-T Tren anymore. It kind of stung anyway (but there is something about those aromatic oils that puts me in the mood to squeeze one off).:AR15firing:
"Disposal of Anabolic Steroids Persons who possess substances classified as anabolic steroids and who wish to dispose of them rather than becoming registered to handle them should contact their local DEA Diversion field office for assistance in disposing of these substances legally. DEA Diversion field offices will provide the person with instructions regarding the disposal. A list of local DEA Diversion field offices may be found at [wwwdeadiversionusdojgov]."
But you don't have to be a criminal next year if you want to make a non-tax deductible, generous donation to the DEA, in person (don't forget to introduce yourself and all).
5 Refills in 6 months for pro-dienolone and pheraplex seems excessive:deal:.
"Criminal Liability. Any activity with any substance defined as an anabolic steroid not authorized by, or in violation of, the Controlled Substances Act or the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act occurring on or after January 4, 2010 is unlawful."
"Any activity with any substance..."-I guess I can't masturbate with 1-T Tren anymore. It kind of stung anyway (but there is something about those aromatic oils that puts me in the mood to squeeze one off).:AR15firing:
"Disposal of Anabolic Steroids Persons who possess substances classified as anabolic steroids and who wish to dispose of them rather than becoming registered to handle them should contact their local DEA Diversion field office for assistance in disposing of these substances legally. DEA Diversion field offices will provide the person with instructions regarding the disposal. A list of local DEA Diversion field offices may be found at [wwwdeadiversionusdojgov]."
But you don't have to be a criminal next year if you want to make a non-tax deductible, generous donation to the DEA, in person (don't forget to introduce yourself and all).
juice3320
Banned
pot is recreational there now bro
jbryand101b
Banned
link to news site?
everything i find talks about a bill being introduced, but not seeing anything showing it passed?
RoadBlocK
Well-known member
Amen bio, fool me once, fool me twice, my wallet cant handle another ban scare, no more buying a years worth of stuff because something new will always be coming.
Mikey851
Active member
From what i've found it will be fully decriminilized in 2010 but has not actually passed yet. They just say it's pretty much a sure thing.
Libertarian
Active member
I signed the marijuana petition. Not because I smoke weed, because I don't now or ever plan to, but based on my belief in self-ownership.
If the government can tell you what to put in your own body, you don't own your body, the government does.
Penn Jillette sums it up pretty good:
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPnvwdwuU9M"]YouTube- Guns and Freedom[/nomedia]
BTW, on his show Bullsh*t (awesome show btw), they proved how people will sign a petition to ban just about anything - including water:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw"]YouTube- Penn And Teller Get Hippies To Sign Water Banning Petition[/ame]
People love banning sh*t they know nothing about....
If the government can tell you what to put in your own body, you don't own your body, the government does.
Penn Jillette sums it up pretty good:
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPnvwdwuU9M"]YouTube- Guns and Freedom[/nomedia]
BTW, on his show Bullsh*t (awesome show btw), they proved how people will sign a petition to ban just about anything - including water:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw"]YouTube- Penn And Teller Get Hippies To Sign Water Banning Petition[/ame]
People love banning sh*t they know nothing about....
juice3320
Banned
This is it right here. If I find a link I will post it here (I'll try and find it). But they have already started sale of it for the most part in Cali (just under partial wraps) and it will be in full swing in 2010.
jbryand101b
Banned
great, but i dont like the trade off, phera/bold is made illegal, and pot legal. i'd rather have the phera an bold lol, dont care about pro dienolone, it gives me gyno. but atleast it's a step in the right direction. hopefully steroids will soon follow.
Libertarian
Active member
Do you live in CA? There have been cannabis stores around here for a long time but you need to have to cannabis card to buy from there. A cannabis card, btw, is very easy to get. You basically just make up whatever BS excuse you want to the doctor (back pain, headaches, etc), pay the fee and that's it.
What do you mean by "for sale"? You mean to the general public? I haven't seen anything like that and it just doesn't seem likely that a legitimate business would take that kind of risk unless it was officially legal to do so.
juice3320
Banned
I spent the last few months down there (with family). I do not buy or smoke pot. However, it was made clearly known to me that some stores had it in "backstock". I honestly just walked in to discount tobacco stores and asked for marijuana and they would take me to the back and there it was. As I said before though, this is a shock to me, however the Fed is overlooking California more by the day.
I thought that increasing revenue through a mainly recreational drug was a great idea as well. I think that we will see more and more of this coming up.
Mikey851
Active member
Most people think that the govt makes money off of convicting people with posession of marijuana etc. but it doesn't come close to the amount of money they spend trying to find and eradicate marijuana fields and convict major dealers. If they legalize marijuana the economic potential is huge.
Libertarian
Active member
You know, I guess I could actually imagine that happening. Even though it would still be technically "illegal", there are a lot of towns where marijuana is legal for all practical purposes in that police rarely if ever do anything to enforce the laws.
Well, that's the thing. Without the drug war the government would be losing a huge amount of jobs. All these DEA government goons, prison guards, etc. Aside from the fact that people in our government are often megalomaniacs, it's really just about job security and making sure they get that tax revenue.
Libertarian
Active member
Promoting his books on FOX, of course.
You know, I've listened to a few interviews with him and he actually has a lot of really cool sh*t to say. From what I've heard he seems to be very much Libertarian and his views tend to make a lot of sense (a rarity in politics). On top of that he was a SEAL, which I think makes him even more "electable". Celebrity status has shown to go a long way, and if he made a serious attempt at running for president, I think he could actually pull it off and I would probably even vote for him (wrote in Ron Paul last time based on principle). But, I doubt he will run. Based on some of the stuff he's said I think he has pretty much given up on America and is just here to make money so he can go back to his sweet little spot in rural Mexico, surf all day, and live like a king.
Mikey851
Active member
That is true. Unemployment rate is one of the major deciding factors for presidential reelection. Right now Obama can blame the deficit on the past but the high unemployment rate is pinned on him. He along with the rest of the democratic party would much rather continue to spend money if that means retaining jobs.
Lacradocious
Member
That is what is ironic to me. The government can create jobs by spending money, but that money comes from us and the government cannot employ all of us. I think Socialism will exacerbate unemployment.
Policies that ensure the truest and most equitable form of capitalism is the only way to create jobs. No one is hiring or spending money if private enterprise cannot compete in a free market and make money.
Libertarian
Active member
That's true. Having freedom means having economic freedom as well. "Capitalism" has been given a bad name by socialist types, as if "capitalism" is to blame for the world's problems. This is ridiculous, as "capitalism" is synonymous with "economic freedom". If you let the free market run it's course, you will still have ups and downs (sometimes even violent in nature), but things tend to level-out eventually all the while creating wealth and prosperity to go around. When the government gets involved, they like to implement "quick fixes" that work for a little bit, but then end up making things worse in the long run all the while stifling the creation of new wealth and prosperity. Historically, nothing has shown to create more wealth and prosperity to go around than a free market. Likewise, nothing has shown to create more poverty than government.
What the government should be doing now is CUTTING taxes (both personal and business) so people spend more, and to create new jobs. Then they need to drastically reduce the size of the government. When your home budget is tight, sometimes you need to cut back. When you're REALLY broke (the US is well beyond that point) you stop spending money on everything other than the bare necessities of survival. We should be using that mindset to eliminate large portions of the Federal Government. One of the first things on my list would be the useless Drug War. Under the Constitution (remember that ol' thing?) the government had no authority whatsoever to prohibit any drugs in the first place - that shows you how far we've gotten from our roots as Americans. We're no longer the "land of the free, home of the brave", we're "land of the controlled, home of the cowards".