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Superdrol/Tren Log...cmon in

indianballer

indianballer

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Today was day 1 of my cycle. It looks like this:

Weeks 1-2:
Superdrol - 10/20
X-Mass - 80 mg's
Novedex XT - 1 cap b4 bed

Weeks 3-4:
Superdrol - 20/30
X-Mass - 80 mg's
Trenadrol - 60 mg's
Novedex XT - 1 cap b4 bed

Weeks 5-6:
X-Mass - 80 mg's
Trenadrol - 60 mg's
Novedex XT - 2 caps b4 bed

PCT:
Clomid - 100, 100, 50, 50
Aromasin - 25, 25, 25, 25
DTP - 6 tabs/day til gone


Starting Stats:
6'0
183 lbs (been battling personal problems and have whithered away a bit)
<10% BF

Bench - 255
Squat - 365
Dead - 315X5
Hang Clean - 185X5


Goal Stats:
6'0
200 lbs
<10% BF

Bench - 275X3
Squat - 405
Dead - 365X5
Hang Clean - 205X5


Diet: (protein in paranthesis)
7 A.M. - Bagel, Banana, Protein Shake (50 g's)
12 P.M. - 3 eggs, 2 slices white bread (21 g's)
1 P.M. - NanoVapor
workout
3 P.M. - Size-On, Protein Shake (50 g's)
5 P.M. - big dinner (meat, potatoes, veggies) (40-50 g's protein)
7 P.M. - Canned chicken (25 g's)
9 P.M. - 2 PB n J's (10-15 g's)
11 P.M. - Casein Shake (25 g's)

I snack on fruit all day when I'm hungry and I drink well over a gallon of water a day...and coffee in the morning...I'll be tryin to work as many carbs as possible into the diet due to SD's glycogen storage properties



Other supplementation:
Multi
Milk Thistle
Red Yeast Rice
Celery Seed
Saw Palmetto
(CoQ10 is in NanoVapor)

attached are a couple pre-cycle pics...I'll be logging my workouts so follow along if you'd like.
 

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Hey... get your protein up a bit... I counted 236 as the high end of your range and that is too low especially if you want to hit 200 pounds. Try to do 250g minimum. And later on in the cycle say after week 4, aim for 300g of protein.

I think you can easily get over 200 pounds... And I think you will blast right past your strength goals.
 
Thanks a ton guys. I'll be sure to up the protein it's just hard to pound down that much food sometimes. You and I both know how to get past that though, and believe me I will. Maybe 4 shakes a day instead of just 2...I'll get the protein to 250 and eventually 300 no doubt though. Thanks again.


Soooo....
Day 2:
Sd-max - 20 mg (**** it I'll stay here til gains stop..I'm tired of messing around w/ 10 mg/day)
X-Mass - 80 mg's

Didn't get to do a real workout today. I recently totaled my car so it's gonna be a struggle all cycle to lift how I want..but I have 2 buddies that want to go to the gym together now so I'm thinking I'll be alright.

did a light 1.5 mile jog this morning.
2 sets of 25 slow pushups
2 sets of 25 dips between 2 chairs w/ bookbag in lap (lol trust me they were laughing at me)
2 to 2 1/2 hours of full court basketball
4 sets of 1 minute wall sits
5 sets of 10 backboard touches
4 suicides


I don't even play basketball competitively like in college I just hoop for fun but I had the energy to work out just not the equipment so I got something in at least...lots of cardio for sure...tons of sweat lost...TONS...and I had at least 10 buckets in 2 hours and 2 blocks :-)

Hopefully Tomorrow will be a chest/shoulder/tri day

Didn't weigh myself today. I'm not to worried about it I'll post pictures by the week
 
Thank you ha...I think 20 mg is a standard universal superdrol dose...it doesn't seem wreckless to me to start at 20 and bump to 30 at the end...glad I'm not the only one
 
For getting protein count up, you've got your biggest deficit in the AM, where basically before 3pm your only protein is 3 eggs and a shake. The problem is your diet is biased towards late in the day, you do meals at 3/5/7/9/11pm but before that it's just 7am and noon. So, you got 2 hour intervals later in the day but earlier on there's a 5 hour gap, that's the problem, get a snack in there with some more protein.

I think weighing yourself as often as possible is a good thing... Hypothetical situation: 1 week goes by, you weigh yourself, up 1 pound. You expected more. You know immediately that you need to eat more. That's one week gone where the gains were ruined by diet.

Tomorrow... chest/tricep/shoulders on cycle is a fun workout, make it happen bro. Good luck.
 
Makes a lot of sense on the scale issue...thanks UnReal...I have class from 8-12 all back to back on monday, wednesday, friday...so it's not sooo biased on tues/thurs/weekends...but I probably should start just getting a muscle milk shake from the cafeteria before my 3rd class and sip on that...thats 350 cals and 25 g protein. I always get tired that hour anyway. Unreal saves the day again.
 
Day 3:
SD - 20 mg's
X-Mass - 80 mg's

Chest/Shoulders/Tris:
Flat Barbell Bench - 135X10, 205X5, 225X3, 245X1, 185X10
Incline Dumbell Bench - 75'sX7, 75'sX7, 75'sX7
Seated Barbell Military Press - 135X10, 145X8, 165X4, 135X8
Skullcrushers - 95X9, 95X7, 95X7
Butterfly machine - 3 sets
Shoulder press machine - 3 sets
Tricep pressdowns - 3 sets
Dips - 5 sets of 15, 15, 13, 12, 8


nothing in the way of insane pumps or vascularity yet...but my skin was red all over (possibly from the nanovapor)

Weight: 187
 
indianballer said:
Day 3:
SD - 20 mg's
X-Mass - 80 mg's

Chest/Shoulders/Tris:
Flat Barbell Bench - 135X10, 205X5, 225X3, 245X1, 185X10
Incline Dumbell Bench - 75'sX7, 75'sX7, 75'sX7
Seated Barbell Military Press - 135X10, 145X8, 165X4, 135X8
Skullcrushers - 95X9, 95X7, 95X7
Butterfly machine - 3 sets
Shoulder press machine - 3 sets
Tricep pressdowns - 3 sets
Dips - 5 sets of 15, 15, 13, 12, 8


nothing in the way of insane pumps or vascularity yet...but my skin was red all over (possibly from the nanovapor)

Weight: 187
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you weigh 4 pounds more than you did 3 days ago.
 
slamming a huge cytogainer shake upon waking always helps me get my early morning protein/carbs in. Also be sure to get a slow protein shake for before bed, I got so much more out of my cycles once i did these two things.

starting at a low dose is never a bad idea, it's useful to see how your body reacts as you increase the dose.

you are going to WRECK your strength goals too man, easssssy. just eat like it's your job and you'll blow the **** up! will be interesting to see the after pics. sub'd for sure.
 
Bigchourico said:
you weigh 4 pounds more than you did 3 days ago.
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I probably weigh 3 lbs less after the last **** I took and gained it back with the last glass of water I chugged. That kind of weight fluctuation is not important at all. That's why I hate scales.

I can wake up 180 and be 190 at some point in the day...my weight will be post workout from here on out

and you can keep the rest of your sarcastic comments to yourself because I could care less what you think at this point...you've lost any chance of gaining my respect
 
I apologize for that show of immaturity and bitchiness...last night was a rough one.

But for those who care...my PCT has changed a bit...I've convinced myself that Nolva/Aromasin is more beneficial than Clomid/Aromasin

so it will look like this
Nolva: 40, 40, 20, 20
Aromasin: 20, 20, 20, 20,


Now I'm off to the gym for a back day :-)
 
indianballer said:
I probably weigh 3 lbs less after the last **** I took and gained it back with the last glass of water I chugged. That kind of weight fluctuation is not important at all. That's why I hate scales.

I can wake up 180 and be 190 at some point in the day...my weight will be post workout from here on out

and you can keep the rest of your sarcastic comments to yourself because I could care less what you think at this point...you've lost any chance of gaining my respect
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I was saying your off to a good start you fuc king a.s.s.h.o.l.e Your welcome.
 
lol my bad dude I apologized.

So the ride to the gym bailed..lazy pothead friends lol. But, determined not to waste the nanovapor I had just drank I decided to go for a jog to the park and do about 15 sets of pullups and then some hanging leg raises. Jogged home and did 4 sets of 25 concentrated crunches.

Dose:
SD - 20 mg
X-Mass - 80 mg

I can definitely feel everything kicking in...I was so pumped from the pullups that the jog home felt...awkward. Considering kicking the x-mass (pro-dienelone) up to 120 mg's since I'm getting all good and no bad so far basically. Next time I go to the gym I'll check my BP and if it looks good I'm gonna go with that.

On another note, I am pissing like a race horse from the SD already. got a glass of water next to me all day. does everyone/anyone else get this reaction from SD? happens to me every time.
 
Also decided I'm gna throw Clen in there at the tail end 2 weeks of the cycle after SD is stopped. That's 180 mg's pro-dienelone with a 2 week clen pyramid...sounds good to me :-)
 
Day 5 (I think?)

Just took first SD and X-Mass dose along with all those other pills that go along with PH's lol...about to start some eggs and a peanut butter bagel...scrumptious

So last night I managed to make it out to a friend who has a nice weight set up out in his shed so I got to hammer my bi's and a little back

Barberll Curls - 95X10, 95X10, 95X10 (I can usually get this for 10, 8, 6...it's starting :-))
Preacher Curls (on the end of the home bench you know?) - 90X10, 90X10, 90X10
Used that same contraption for some makeshift rows - 135X10, 135X10, 135X10
Dumbell Concenctration Curls - 45X8, 45X8, 45X7
EZ bar curls (close grip) - 85X7, 85X6, 85X6 (some swinging here)
Hammer Curls - 25X12, 25X12, 25X12


Bi's are def sore this morning so thats a good sign and my lats are feeling it a little bit if I flex them from all the pullups earlier in the day.

The goal today is to make it to the gym for a leg day.
 
just a quick question for clarification....why are you running novedex XT on a cycle with no aromitization? Also, in a cycle as heavy as SD/tren, novedex won't save your test levels much as far as delaying shutdown goes. It takes 1-2 weeks for the compound to kick in, so by the time it does, the SD will be in full effect, thusly shutting you down hard. I'm not trying to be a di*ck about it, I just think it kinda seems a little redundant to run that on this cycle. Also, have you ran any 19-nor compounds before? What kind of protection do you have to protect against progestagen related side-effects?

That being said, this looks like a pretty rad cycle, and I wish you the best of luck. Hope all goes well and you break that 200 lbs mark. Doesn't seem like it should be a problem with these compounds.
 
I'm running the novedex XT because I've had it forever and I'm of the belief that gyno of any kind cannot form/worsen in an estrogen controlled environment. I some lumps pre-cycle that are already down quite a bit. I'm going to keep running it like so.

yes I've run pro-dienelone several times and never had any problems with prolactin or progestin related issues except a little bit of gyno. I don't plan on dishing out the cash for a dopamine agonist unless I absolutely have to as a last resort. I'm skeptical to run nolva in my PCT because of all the talk about it possibly upregulating progesterone receptors, but I've had such success with the nolva/aromasin PCT in the past. I'll keep an eye on it and thanks for your concerns.
 
I'm always interested in prolactin progestin/progesterone action in men if you have any info I'd glady listen.

Just some thoughts:
I've been taking 2 and one time even 3 nanovapor shakes (1 scoop each) per day bc I tend to try to get two workouts in a day of some kind and more importantly the amino acid content is ridiculous...I figure an overload of those with anabolic hormones flowing through my blood can't be a bad thing. Bad Idea?

I feel less great today...I had been feeling awesome and I knew it was the SD and tren bc I was getting a little aggressive at times already, but I know from past experience that I personally have good and bad days on superdrol...esp when changing dose...O yea forgot to mention I took a 3rd SD last night before football w/ friends...that was also where I lifted bi's...but sshhhh
 
Vapor is a pre-WO right?

If so, I'd move it to PCT. I wouldn't want my BP getting too high. I always got mad headaches on my epi cycle when I took a pre-workout. Moved it to PCT and headaches disappeared since I was no longer taking epi.

Plus, no longer being on gear means you might need an extra boost to get amped up in the gym after your cycle is over. In my mind, it helps combat any post-cycle lethargy.
 
ZoomZoom88 said:
so how many cycles have you done prior to this one?
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not likin the text tone...but let me count for a second

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2 cycles of SD (3 weeks a piece)
SD/Phera bridge
2 Methyl XT cycles
M1,4add
Epi/Max-Lmg
Phera/Trenadrol
The One/M14add bridge
And that brings me to this one


I think that's all of them
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Vapor is a pre-WO right?

If so, I'd move it to PCT. I wouldn't want my BP getting too high. I always got mad headaches on my epi cycle when I took a pre-workout. Moved it to PCT and headaches disappeared since I was no longer taking epi.

Plus, no longer being on gear means you might need an extra boost to get amped up in the gym after your cycle is over. In my mind, it helps combat any post-cycle lethargy.
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yeah I realize and this has been the root of my dillemma...but check the amino profile in nanovapor...its impressive...I'll be paid twice before PCT comes around so I should be able to afford another Pre-workout (maybe jack'd) but yeah. I'm already saving some Size-On I have sitting around for use in PCT...If BP gets out of hand I'll stop but I'm just going to play it by ear
 
Bigchourico said:
I think your just a little sensitive indianballer,it sounds like that was just a question.
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idk about sensitive...I always get somewhat bitchy on pro-dien...I'm learning to control it..but the internet is a nice place to let it out because no one gets hurt feelings because it's the internet lol...but my apologies to the guy who asked the question I know I'm an A-hole right now



Anyways...got some cardio in and some intense plyos...nice workout...no leg day at the gym though :-(
 
If your concerned about amino levels, i would substitute something like a BC+EAA type supplement for the nano vapor, and move the Nano to PCT as darkhalf suggested. Secondly, I would urge you to use the jack3d over nano vapor, I think you would be pleasantly surprised....plus, its cheaper then muscletech bullsh*t :)
 
indianballer said:
not likin the text tone...but let me count for a second

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2 cycles of SD (3 weeks a piece)
SD/Phera bridge
2 Methyl XT cycles
M1,4add
Epi/Max-Lmg
Phera/Trenadrol
The One/M14add bridge
And that brings me to this one


I think that's all of them
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Really bro, all of those cycles and your still in the 180's? Steriods arent for children...I dont need to say anymore....
 
indianballer said:
yeah I realize and this has been the root of my dillemma...but check the amino profile in nanovapor...its impressive...I'll be paid twice before PCT comes around so I should be able to afford another Pre-workout (maybe jack'd) but yeah. I'm already saving some Size-On I have sitting around for use in PCT...If BP gets out of hand I'll stop but I'm just going to play it by ear
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I just really like being able to take a break from creatine and Pre-WO for 4-6 weeks before going into PCT. IMO, it makes those products that more effective. Especially when you need them to be since you're trying to hold on to all that muscle you just put on.

I wouldn't use Jack'd - don't get me wrong the **** works, but that **** made me crash and I wasn't even on or in PCT. I could only imagine what the crash could be like if I was in PCT. Try something like white flood or NO Shotgun.
 
ZoomZoom88 said:
Really bro, all of those cycles and your still in the 180's? Steriods arent for children...I dont need to say anymore....
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Yeah seriously that's more cycles than me and a few of my cycles i didn't respond to, and resulted in no gains.

indianballer I think that we need to work out what's happened to the gains from all these cycles... Do you have a problem keeping your gains? Do you take time off from the gym? We need to figure this out because this cycle should take you to 200 pounds and after that you should never be sub-200 again.

There's one thing I keep telling myself sometimes... "NOT ONE STEP BACKWARDS!"
 
TheDarkHalf said:
I just really like being able to take a break from creatine and Pre-WO for 4-6 weeks before going into PCT. IMO, it makes those products that more effective. Especially when you need them to be since you're trying to hold on to all that muscle you just put on.

I wouldn't use Jack'd - don't get me wrong the **** works, but that **** made me crash and I wasn't even on or in PCT. I could only imagine what the crash could be like if I was in PCT. Try something like white flood or NO Shotgun.
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To each there own. I have never crashed of Jack3d, even during PCT (which i am still on in the tail end of epi 6 weeker). Everyone responds differently though. Stick to what works best for you.

P.S. darkhalf - I never got the same reaction you did by mixing Epistane and THC in any form - just more euphoria haha.
 
ktatro1 said:
To each there own. I have never crashed of Jack3d, even during PCT (which i am still on in the tail end of epi 6 weeker). Everyone responds differently though. Stick to what works best for you.

P.S. darkhalf - I never got the same reaction you did by mixing Epistane and THC in any form - just more euphoria haha.
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Nice man that $hit pretty much gave me an anxiety attack - but the epi and THC just got me sooo f*cking high that it sent me into over drive. But that's okay...I could still smoke and got away with smoking a lot less!
 
damn I guess I've gained some haters because of my past mistakes and stupidity. I happened to be 17 when I found out about SD and Phera from AX...I was dumb. And I could be 200 by now but track season always forces me to cut at least 10 lbs of fat. No track for the past year so it's been a bulk for 2 year with a drug problem somewhere in there.


I'm just trying to get better from here...if you can help me I'm all ears but the hating is really unnecessary...the past is the past and I know what I'm doing now
 
Day 6/7:
SD: 20 mg's
X-Mass: 80 mg's

Spent the weekend at Mizzou...no drinking but lots of weed and food and protein shakes...basically recovering...I look noticeably bigger...shoulder nearly feels healed...ready to hit the weights again tomorrow
 
Day 8:
SD - 20 mg's
X-Mass - 80 mg's

Going for a chest/bi day today and am expecting some eye popping numbers...will post back when I get back from the gym

Here are a couple pics 1 week in.
 

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ZoomZoom88 said:
Really bro, all of those cycles and your still in the 180's? Steriods arent for children...I dont need to say anymore....
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I love you as much as I love all my haters.

My goals changed each season my junior/senior year in HS (when I started)
so I wasn't trying to put on weight and look like...you.

I don't need to say any more.




Day 9:
SD - 20 mg's
PD - 80 mg's


Didn't make it to gym today...this no car stuff sucks. Felt lethargic and hypoglycemic all day...supersets of 50 pushups, 50 crunches, and 25 dips every 30 mins to an hour kept my mood tolerable.


Also - to the guy who asked why i'm running ATD I would point you to this thread I found earlier today..I'll post a link up in a minute here but basically I learned that dienelone aromatizes to estrogen today.
 
Day 11:
SD - 20 mg's
PD - 80 mg's

Back/legs today
Squat:135X10, 225X10, 275X10, 315X8, 365X6, 405X5, 225X10, 185X10
Pullups: 9 sets of 10 at BW with varying grips
Hang Cleans: 135X5, 155X5, 165X5, 185X5, 135X5
Barbell Rows: 135X10, 155X10, 185X10, 185X10, 185X10
Deads: 135X10, 185X10, 225X5, 275X5, 315X5
Dips: 3 sets with 45 strapped on...15, 13, 11
Calf Raises: 6 sets...don't remember weight but it felt light like everything else
Dumbell Curls: 3 sets 35's X 10

HOLY SH*T...the strength gains are in full swing...everything felt so light...I haven't hit 405 on squat since before last year's football season...chest and shoulders tomorrow with some arms worked in again

Weight: 193 :-)
 
I also have to say that for the past 3-4 days I know I haven't come close to my goal protein of 300 g and I'm still up 10 lbs in 11 days. Big time water and glycogen...that means big time muscle is coming next..the part I need to really focus on hanging on to.

Like I said I'm aiming for 300 g's a day but it is tough...what's anyone's take on a weightgainer shake in the morning? Like how could I make my own with my normal whey or are there any good products? I've always been hesitant cuz it's so much sugar and all that but I know one guy said he uses them.

Anyone still around?
 
its difficult. I hit 350 everyday though. Gotta be honest it's 125g from whey protein powder. Some from the protein/energy bars i'll have pre or post workout. Some from the PB & cottage cheese i do. But mostly it's meat. If your protein count is low... Fat piece of STEAK will bring it up pretty well. I eat a lot of chicken and beef. I'll make burger patties from lean ground beef and BBQ them and eat them just like that... a nice fat meat patty.... HMMMMMM so good.

BBing is easier if you have carnivorous tendencies
 
Yea what unreal said.

80-90% of my protein comes from 8oz chicken, 8oz beef, 8oz salmon, 2 cans tuna, 4 egg omlettes, etc

the rest i get from 2 scoops whey and 1 scoop casein.
 
Hmmm...I'm doing the math and even if I add like say 4-8 oz's of chicken per day that's gonna add up pretty quick. I'm on a college student/part-time worker's budget/timeframe. I'm looking at cytogainer and it looks like a pretty solid addition to my everyday macros, all else held constant, for 30 bucks a month. That's a dollar a day. Idk how much meat that will buy me a day.

Don't get me wrong here I LOVE grilling and basically any type of meat. Steak is like something I have to reward myself with lol. I just am constantly broke as it is.

I appreciate the feedback though I know ideally you wanna take in as much whole foods as possible. I guess I'm more asking if weightgainer shakes are always bad.

And I definitely know what Unreal is talking about with the plain patties. People always look at me funny when I grab plain burger patties at BBQ's and just start munching lol. They think I'm drunk but I just love meat.
 
we have sams club here and I can get around 8lbs of chicken for 11-12 bux that that'll last a little over a week maybe a day more at most. thats not a bad deal but your body much prefers food over liquid meals. So I'd try to make it work with food if I could.
 
Hey guys sorry I haven't been posting lately I've been super busy with school (all my teachers piled the exams and papers right before thanksgiving break). I took your guys' advice and added 2 4 oz chicken breasts in the evening. I'm actually learning to love cooking lol..I even threw some Mrs. Dash on there last night and it scrumpdiddlyumptious.


I've still been struggling to get to the gym so I've been using this Wieder machine in my basement and doing some p90x workouts with my buddy. I have a friend who's back for break though that hits the gym every day and she always gives me rides so I'll have 5 solid days in the gym here coming up. Can't wait to get there today and really see where my strength is...something is telling me I'll be getting 455 for a triple on squats :-). No ATG here but definitely no knee bends either...I always get at least my hammies parallel and I aim for the top of my quads to be parallel on the lighter sets. Idk why I'm telling you guys this lol.

Haven't weighed myself in a few days but I'd guess I'm at 195 or so. Will post back after I hit the gym today. (will check BP prior to starting the workout as well). I can't decide what I want to do today...I know I'll be taking tomorrow off (Thanksgiving), So I'm thinking about mixing and matching on all the exercises I haven't been able to do.

This is what I have planned:
Squats
Hang Cleans
Incline Dumbell Press
Pullups
Barbell Military Press
Cable Crossovers
Tricep Pressdowns

Man there's so much I want to do...I need to pick either push or pull really...hmmm decisions decisions. I'm also torn on whether or not to play in the anual football game here in town tomorrow morning. I LOVE football and I play every year and I had been looking forward to it, but that would rule out squats for today, and there's obviously the possibility of getting hurt and jeopordizing the rest of this cycle. Man o man o man I want to play so bad though.
 
Just got back from the gym...B+ workout at best. The ride to and from the gym in a little car with this hott ass girl reminded me that my libido is doing alright despite a slight decrease in testicular size..interesting.

Workout:
I can't remember it perfectly right now I was stoned but I got cleans, pullups, leg press, standing overhead push press/military press, upright rows, dips, tricep pressdowns, and a mile or so at a moderate to almost full speed on the treadmill...burned 177 cals altogether on it tho which isn't much at all for how that **** felt. I need to work on cardio that was a big wakeup call.

Weight: 194

I added trenadrol today...:-)
SD - 20 mg's
ProDien - 80 mg's
Trenadrol - 30 mg's

I know a lot of ppl will say that's just 110 mg's of pro dien but I am going to find out for myself if there's a little something else to trenadrol...I can only hope.
 
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