Waxy Maize During Workout
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russy_russ
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Don't. Get a sports drink.
juice3320
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Ok, well what I have to work with is xtend, creatine, whey isolate, and Beta Alanine so what do you recommend?
eatingisfun
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I use 50-60g during the first 30 mins of my legs workout and it works well. If you mix it with enough water it doesn't take long for it to empty from your stomach to the small intestine and it seems to get into your blood stream pretty quickly.
BiG in NYC 82
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not a fan...
though allow me to simply ask you...
Why?
though allow me to simply ask you...
Why?
russy_russ
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Mixing things yourself most likely will not ensure an isotonic solution for rapid uptake. Otherwise, you are creating an environment to withdraw water from active skeletal muscles, and blood rerouted to digestive viscera from active skeletal muscles.
jim623
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How exactly would one benefit from drinking waxy intra wo?
I just drink BCAA's and water, if adding waxy helps in any way I want to try it.
I just drink BCAA's and water, if adding waxy helps in any way I want to try it.
eatingisfun
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I find it helps with keeping energy up especially on a hard day like legs. That's the only time I use it. I already eat 150g oats + 150g berries 1.0 to 1.5 hrs pre workout and adding in the wms helps a lot.
jim623
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Gotcha, endurance. Thank you.
ripnlean
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wouldn't say endurance, Waxy maize is supposed to deliver nutrinets to such as creatine, EAA's and Protein to your muscles quicker for a quicker absorption/activation, therefore many of you might notice increased endurance/power/stamina at the beginning of the workout. The good thing is it goes throughout your whole workout.
If you take NO, mix 15 g waxymaize along with xtend. than drink your xtend during your workout on its own. after that your postworkout shake would be whey and waxymaize @ 30g post workout.
Check out BBS WMS, not as grainy as the other stuff I've tried and you can't beat it for price
Remember, it is best to take WMS preworkout with xtend as it will fuel the EAA's to your blood stream by the time you hit the weights. Than you just keep the xtends going by sipping it intra workout!
If you take NO, mix 15 g waxymaize along with xtend. than drink your xtend during your workout on its own. after that your postworkout shake would be whey and waxymaize @ 30g post workout.
Check out BBS WMS, not as grainy as the other stuff I've tried and you can't beat it for price
Remember, it is best to take WMS preworkout with xtend as it will fuel the EAA's to your blood stream by the time you hit the weights. Than you just keep the xtends going by sipping it intra workout!
juice3320
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Thanks for the input everyone. I have heard good things about waxy maize intra workout as well as post. However, russ products like intra-aid contain only 10g waxy maize accompanied by BCAA's and EAA's as well as 8g hydro whey. So it seems to me that only small amounts such as 10g wouldn't draw all the blood to the gut that higher amounts would and aid in stamina throughout the workout. That's just my informed reasoning. However, I have seen WMS just taken post workout and I think that this would be an effective approach as well as long as a good carbohydrate meal is eatin 1-1.5 hours prior to a hard workout and xtend is sipped intra workout. There are also designer products out that have higher amounts of waxy but I do agree that too much will be detrimental to the workout. All input is welcome guys!
BiG in NYC 82
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How long, typically, do you train? On leg days?
And with all those carbs (oats + berries) prior to a workout, don't you think you have supplied your body with enough carbs (fuel) for your workout that INTRAworkout carbs are a bit unnecessary?
genuinely wondering...
See post/question above....and again, I will pose the question as to how long do you train?
Your goals? Is it to bulk?
eatingisfun
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Legs is usually pretty long for me, 1.5 hrs. I do a lot of volume and it works pretty good for me. I've made 40 lbs gain on squat in about 4 months(squatting 275x4 at 180 lbs). Yes it is a lot of carbs that's true but even with just all the oats and berries I used to find myself running out of steam or feeling weak near the end.
I don't put the whole increase in endurance on the WMS since I do also take 2 scoops DominATP which has beta alanine, creatine malate, leucine etc. The BA helps with not getting lactic acid buildup due to the volume while the WMS helps with being able to do lots of sets and not run out of energy.
I'm actually recomping right now. I've lost only 5 lbs but gained strength on almost all exercises I do while dropping BF.
BiG in NYC 82
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Gotcha! Very nice! And I agree, since you are training for 1.5 hours, carbs would be a fine addition.
And that DominATP is a solid formula...solid ingredients...my favorites: BA, Creatine, Citrulline...
and 'grats on the recomp thus far! Keep it up! :cheers:
juice3320
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I'm doing a bulking workout six weight training days per week. Workouts usually last 45min to 80 min or so (maybe more on some days i.e. leg day) and I do 30 min of low intensity cardio after weight training. So I think that adding WMS would be beneficial for those times in the workouts when your brain starts to tell you that it's time to quit. I'll probably do a homemade version of universal intra-aid by mixing xtend, creatine, beta alanine, and 10g WMS intra workout and a homemade version of universal torrent by combining xtend, creatine, beta alanine, and 50g WMS post workout and then drink 40g protein with 5g glutamine 20 minutes after the post workout shake.
topcop196
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I am going to agree with what BiG stated earlier, that all those carbs pre-workout, and a solid post-workout regiment should be sufficient. Xtend during your workout is a great choice. How many scoops? Take caution with the length of your workout. 1.5 hours of weights, and 30 mins of cardio might be pushing your stress threshold and producing a cortisol response. Post workout coctail I use is MHP's Dark Matter, with xtend and beta-alanine. Getting great results. Give it some thought. Good luck.
juice3320
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Hey there, thanks for the input. I think that a good pre workout meal is a good approach as well with xtend during. However for my post I am going to make a homemade version of Universal Torrent in order to save money as I have three tubs of xtend right now it is so expensive to keep buying a post workout product with all of the other products most of the time. But thanks man and if I go with a post workout product I will definitely go with Dark Matter.
Liftergym33
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agree ^^^I use LG's Perfect Carb with Bc+Eaa's Intra..and really tell a huge difference in my work outs , compared to when Im not using it..
juice3320
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Good stuff. Thanks man.
Liftergym33
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Wilderbeast
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Honestly alot of people use it intra workout, but to be honest that doesn't make any sense at all from a scientific standpoint. Your body is absolutely UNABLE to create glycogen from ingested carbs of ANY source in the short time span from pre or intra workout. (unless your running a marathon) Pre-workout, unless we're talking 1+ hour preWO, carbs will NOT enhance your workout. BCAAs on the other hand are able to be broken down and synthesize glucose to replenish glycogen in the time ur looking at. Stick with BCAAs, if anything, immediately PreWO, intraWO, and keep ur carbs for PostWO.
BEAST
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Wilderbeast
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You'll get the benefit you need from the BCAAs alone without the carbs until PWO.
BEAST
russy_russ
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That's not entirely accurate. Simple carbohydrates and sodium such as those found in may sports drinks (poweraid, gatoraid, etc.) are designed in a manner which it is hypo or iso osmolaric. This allows the body to rapidly uptake the glucose without hindering performance (pretty simple, but if you need an explanation I can do that). The glucose is then circulated and taken up by active skeletal muscles and is used directly in glycolysis. Human body can utilize those simple sugars is that hypo/iso osmolaric solution within 4 minutes of consumption.
eatingisfun
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My PWO meal is about 1.5 hrs before workout and it's enough time to digest the oats and provide fuel for the workout. 1 hr is not enough time for oats to fully digest for me, but WMS or other refined carbs are a lot easier to digest and get into your blood stream pretty quickly.
If you have blood glucose available from WMS or whatever other carb source and your muscles are craving glucose then it will be pulled in.
From a purely anecdotal stand point which is all that matters to me, talking 50g WMS during the first 30 mins of my leg workout helps tremendously.
Heck, some pros slam 400g carbs + insulin for their huge workouts.
Flaw
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waxy maize has been the best supplement since creatine IMO. Pumps, muscle energy and no crash that you would get from simple carbs. Also no bloat or stomach issues. I find the energy it gives your muscles outweighs the marketing of it being a recovery aid. It's difficult when you haven't eatin much that day and you don't wanna eat a huge meal cause you got to let it settle awhile before you workout. Waxy maize allows you to put a couple scoops of powder with protein in a shake and be good to workout within 30-45minutes.
juice3320
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Very good info russ. Nice read as well. So what would be your recommendations on the matter? Combine a sports drink with bcaa's intra workout?
juice3320
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I hear that the lasting pumps from pre workout consumption are second to none as well as the energy. It is definitely a supplement that should be at least tried by all serious bodybuilders. Very good to hear that it is working for you!
Flaw
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The effects with creatine are amazing. Sometimes the lactic acid burn is so minor you have to tell yourself to stop cause your hurting your joints. You will lift heavier on this combo.
sanchezgreg18
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put some nutra 20% banaba in the mixture and ull not only have better endurance but insane pumps
russy_russ
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Yes, if you need aminos.
russy_russ
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Aminos won't contribute much to ATP synthesis however.
juice3320
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This is true but aminos will help with fatigue. Thanks russ. So I have to ask how would someone put all this together? What would be the best intra workout and post workout approach considering this information?
russy_russ
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Peripheral fatigue is associated with ionic imbalance with the sarcoplasm. Typically, calcium leaks out of the cell (needed for muscular contraction by binding to actin filaments). Also, hydrogen ions concentrate during muscular contraction which bind to actin disallowing calcium to bind. Then there is central fatigue in which ionic imbalances effect neural transmission of action potential generation to saltitory conduction to the neuromuscular junction.
russy_russ
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Trying to keep it simple hard to go indepth on a phone at work.
Joshua86
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That's basically what I was going to say without using the A&P mumbo jumbo... If you give your body something it needs to digest, then it's going to draw more blood to your GI tract. You would be much better off just having a good pre-workout plan, maybe sip on some Purple Wraath during workouts and save your wazy maize for post-workout along with whatever else.
Mumbo jumbo...
juice3320
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That's basically what I was going to say without using the A&P mumbo jumbo... If you give your body something it needs to digest, then it's going to draw more blood to your GI tract. You would be much better off just having a good pre-workout plan, maybe sip on some Purple Wraath during workouts and save your wazy maize for post-workout along with whatever else.
Mumbo jumbo...
LOL :toofunny: haha thanks josh and russ. So from what I gather get in a good preworkout meal with complex carbs (which I do) and sip bcaa's intra workout (I have Scivation Xtend) and then take the homemade WMS shake post workout. Therefore you are pulling no blood to the gut area for digestion during a workout
. Sounds good to me.totalpackage
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I always use 1 scoop of Glyco-maize from ON mixed with my preworkout protein shake
or if I am using a preworkout powder like JP8 or Vaso-charge I always add 1 scoop to it.
I always use 1 scoop with my recovery shake. Glyco-maize is very versitle you can mix it with what ever powder of your choise.
or if I am using a preworkout powder like JP8 or Vaso-charge I always add 1 scoop to it.
I always use 1 scoop with my recovery shake. Glyco-maize is very versitle you can mix it with what ever powder of your choise.
russy_russ
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Mumbo jumbo...
After 6 years of college (undergrad in exercise science and last semester of master of exercise physiology) and starting a phd next semester, things just get spit out. I try to keep it as simple as possible.
juice3320
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russy_russ
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Haha it's all good man, I'm on year 5
What are you studying?
juice3320
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I'm into an MSCI right now, but it is geared more towards exercise science and fields pertaining to that. I am planning on being an orthopedic surgeon, but those plans could change. I'm just going to go with the flow as of now. What are you studying?