Slim Xtreme DISCONTINUED!

not diphenylprolinol, but diphenylmethylpyrrolidine. that one is only one OH group away from D2MP and there is no f****g way to state it is NOT cardioxic. If D2MP is cardiotoxic, then the other one most probably will be as well.

"Phenyl-pyrrolidinyltoluene, the claimed ingredient named on the product label, is said to actually be 2-(diphenylmethyl) pyrrolidine, a potentially cardiac-toxic designer drug related to the stimulants modafinil and pipradrol."

"One of the key features of peripheral adrenergic (alpha and beta) activity is a hydroxyl in the beta-position, which explains the apparent cardiotoxicity."

"Originally Posted by neuron
Keep in mind, one of the metabolites (if not the ONLY metabolite) of 2-diphenylmethylpyrrolidine is its hydroxylated metabolite diphenylprolinol.
Pho3nix:
So in english ... when you digest 2-DPMP you can naturally form the other drug which has shown cardiovascular toxicity"

"Case Report: A male patient with no risk factors for ischemic heart disease, presented to our emergency department with agitation and chest pain characteristic of ischemia following the ingestion of two units of ?Head Candy.? He improved with oral diazepam over a period of 12 hours and there was no biochemical evidence of myocardial damage. Serum analysis demonstrated the presence
of diphenylprolinol (diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinemethanol [D2PM]) and glaucine at concentrations of 0.17 mg/L and 0.10 mg/L, respectively. No other recreational drugs were detected in an extensive toxicological screen of blood and urine samples.

Discussion: This is the first reported case of confirmed toxicity associated with recreational use of diphenylprolinol in combination with glaucine. In our view, this case provides further support for the need for a systematic approach to toxicological screening of patients with recreational drug toxicity to identify emerging drugs and provide evidence for legislative authorities to assist in revising the legal status of recreational drugs."

"Diphenylprolinol (D2PM), or (R,S)(+,-)-diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol, is a relatively mild dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor which is used as a designer drug.[1][2] The dextrorotary (R,+) enantiomer is the most pharmacologically active. Anecdotally, the dextrorotary enantiomer is orally active in the 25-100mg range, with a duration of 5-8 hours. The effects are said to be similar to other NDRIs, producing mild stimulation (at least in relation to substances like methamphetamine or cocaine) which is productive for working or studying, but with relatively little euphoria. Similar drugs to diphenylprolinol include pipradrol, desoxypipradrol, and to a lesser extent methylphenidate.

There have been some recent indications (e.g. detailed reports posted on forums dedicated to researching this compound) that diphenylprolinol may not be as benign as its mild effects seem to suggest. At higher doses and with more frequent administration, its effects on dopamine appear to become significant enough that binging and addiction can enter the picture. Several large overdoses requiring hospitalization have been reported, possibly related to addiction issues. It seems prudent to exercise caution when administering this compound, even for occasional work/study applications, as most dopamine reuptake inhibitors are addictive. Precautions to take might include limiting access and watching closely for symptoms of addiction, such as loss of control over dosage or difficulty stopping use once it has started.

Side effects including chest pain, possibly suggestive of cardiovascular toxicity, have been seen following recreational use of diphenylprolinol, although as it was combined with glaucine in a party pill product ("Head Candy" brand) it is impossible to say for certain which drug was responsible.[3] "

Well after finding more information this morning you are certainly correct.

Yet it does seem that the bad side effects tend to occur at high doses and from the case report you cannot rule out that the glaucine isn't the cause of the majority of heart related side effects.
 
Have you ever urinated blood? I have, unfortunately; after my injury in combat. It burns, it burns bad! I think you would know it.
:cussing:<------- Me when it happened.

Ditto.. but mine came from a M1T cycle, followed by a Nolva PCT... I was 21, and learned my lessons.
 
Ditto.. but mine came from a M1T cycle, followed by a Nolva PCT... I was 21, and learned my lessons.

Um im guessing that was a no-no when it comes to going about a cycle the right way?
 
I think I understand your extreme opposition to steroids.

I am not opposed to steroids... shoot, i think steroids are fine, it is the pedaled unstudied methyls we see today. Steroids have been studied for decades, and you know what you are getting. The designers we see in market today are just a step above rat poison.
 
Um im guessing that was a no-no when it comes to going about a cycle the right way?

Both are very hepatoxic, and apparently had left abrasions on my kidneys that caused bleeding. Like I said, just dumb kid at the time, and learned my lesson and scrutinize everything I intake.
 
Have you ever urinated blood? I have, unfortunately; after my injury in combat. It burns, it burns bad! I think you would know it.
:cussing:<------- Me when it happened.

Most times I try to take the opposite end of extreme. During my run in my early 20's I have associated 'pissing blood' with traces of blood in the urine. I have had that many times but it never 'burned'. I didn't think he meant literally flowing of blood, I was more thinking along the lines of traces of urine....

In your case, yes, it would burn.
 
In your case, yes, it would burn.

Indeed; the only time that I have ever fainted in my entire life was when I saw the blood coming out. Even though I dragged my ass (literally) across sand/barb with a dangling body part and shrapnel in my head, I didn't once come close to fainting. But damn it, I see blood coming out of my penis, out I went! Thankfully, that works just fine and there's no issues at all.
 
Indeed; the only time that I have ever fainted in my entire life was when I saw the blood coming out. Even though I dragged my ass (literally) across sand/barb with a dangling body part and shrapnel in my head, I didn't once come close to fainting. But damn it, I see blood coming out of my penis, out I went! Thankfully, that works just fine and there's no issues at all.

I could not imagine what that must have looked/been like in both situations.

I've never had the pleasure of fainting. Wait, I take that back. Twice I have from standing up too fast. Luckily both times were in my house. The second time, I whacked the **** out of my head when I hit the ground.
 
This is my number one question. I have takin a 1st ck home 7 pannel drug kit it cane up negative I would like to know for sure with a work related drug test.

From what I read on BB.com, a member who was part of the investigation that led to bluelight claims, took a test and also came up negative.

I am worried about this possibility since my girlfriend took the stuff along with me and might be taking a test for a university job.

Let's hope it doesn't.
 
From what I read on BB.com, a member who was part of the investigation that led to bluelight claims, took a test and also came up negative.

I am worried about this possibility since my girlfriend took the stuff along with me and might be taking a test for a university job.

Let's hope it doesn't.

Only thing is, what batch did he take and what batch did your lady take?
 
From what I read on BB.com, a member who was part of the investigation that led to bluelight claims, took a test and also came up negative.

I am worried about this possibility since my girlfriend took the stuff along with me and might be taking a test for a university job.

Let's hope it doesn't.

and if its been a few weeks it should be clear of her system
 
From what I read on BB.com, a member who was part of the investigation that led to bluelight claims, took a test and also came up negative.

I am worried about this possibility since my girlfriend took the stuff along with me and might be taking a test for a university job.

Let's hope it doesn't.

i ran 3 bottles of the stuff since it came out, i was taking up to 3 caps a day. i was randomly picked for drug test at work, and never heard there was a problem.
 
How were the effects at 3 caps a day? were you taking the original SX with the aniracetam nootropic?
 
How were the effects at 3 caps a day? were you taking the original SX with the aniracetam nootropic?

i was working 12 hour shifts in a box factory, would take 2 upon waking, take a shower and be ready for work. at first break i would take another one. i used both, with the aniracetam and without. i noticed a difference when they changed the formula and posted this, but both did what they were supposed to. the aniracetam was definitely the stronger for me.
 
i ran 3 bottles of the stuff since it came out, i was taking up to 3 caps a day. i was randomly picked for drug test at work, and never heard there was a problem.

That is good news I this my 1st bottle 30 tads into. 5 per week My work dose ramdon testing I will be called in before the end of the year

So what dose it mean. This stuff is way over my head,
A/X did not disclose an ingredient or Concealing ingredients (hidding)

Is it ok to drive a car on 1 pill a day this that is in Slim Xtreme. I do not want any trouble with the law or is just a safty issue ( bad for your heart)

If it has any of this is it illegal to take or have on you

2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine

similar to 2-DPMP or clone
similar to pipradrol or clone
 
Only thing is, what batch did he take and what batch did your lady take?

The batch we used did not disclose the Proline Analog. It also doesn't say anything about the aniracetams.

We last used SX on Wednesday, thats the day I found out it was discontinued while trying to order a new batch from NP. Her test is on Monday-- from what I'm reading here and in other forums, I'm guessing she should be fine.
 
Drug tests look for certain compounds. Common stuff like weed, coke. I'm pretty sure no one is gonna fail a drug test with this.
 
Drug tests look for certain compounds. Common stuff like weed, coke. I'm pretty sure no one is gonna fail a drug test with this.

there is a panel devoted to amphetamines on the drug test they give at my work, my test came back clean. i think it has been established by the scientific guys here and at other forums that you are not going to fail a drug test from slimx. hell, if i remember right i had just took one an hour before peeing in the bottle.
 
That is good news I this my 1st bottle 30 tads into. 5 per week My work dose ramdon testing I will be called in before the end of the year

So what dose it mean. This stuff is way over my head,
A/X did not disclose an ingredient or Concealing ingredients (hidding)

Is it ok to drive a car on 1 pill a day this that is in Slim Xtreme. I do not want any trouble with the law or is just a safty issue ( bad for your heart)

If it has any of this is it illegal to take or have on you

2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine

similar to 2-DPMP or clone
similar to pipradrol or clone

A/X was not clear in the labeling of Slim Xtreme in regards to the exact proline analog chemical (Phenyl-pyrrolidinyltoluene) until recently.

LEOs do not have a road side test kit for pipradrol or its chemical analogs. Also I have not had any coordination disturbances ever when taking SX even at 2 caps on empty stomach so driving or operating heavy machinery wouldn't be a concern from my experience.
 
Is it ok to drive a car on 1 pill a day this that is in Slim Xtreme. I do not want any trouble with the law or is just a safty issue ( bad for your heart)

Anyone else find a little humor in the way this was written? I just don't wanna get a ticket but if it's just gonna make my heart explode i'm down! A little re-wording by yours truely :P
 
I am not here to take shots at SX, for me it was the best stim I have ever used. My question is what am I going to use now that is even close?
 
There are several products still on the market but which one you chose will probably be determined by what specific set of effects are you looking for... That and don't disregard what you got out of this whole deal with attempting to find another product to replace this one.
 
i was working 12 hour shifts in a box factory, would take 2 upon waking, take a shower and be ready for work. at first break i would take another one. i used both, with the aniracetam and without. i noticed a difference when they changed the formula and posted this, but both did what they were supposed to. the aniracetam was definitely the stronger for me.

I'm going to give SX try since we will be doing 7 days/12hr shifts for the next 8 weeks. Did you take SX with any other stim?
Going to take 1 pill upon waking up and a scoop of jacked after work before getting to the gym. Would anyone know if I can stack it with AP? Anything I should stay away from or make sure I do while on SX.
 
I'm going to give SX try since we will be doing 7 days/12hr shifts for the next 8 weeks. Did you take SX with any other stim?
Going to take 1 pill upon waking up and a scoop of jacked after work before getting to the gym. Would anyone know if I can stack it with AP? Anything I should stay away from or make sure I do while on SX.

I duno about mixing SX and jacked. I love SX, and I love stims, and have tried my fair share(I also like R4W).

But SX is strong enough not to be mixing other junk. I wouldnt even drink coffee when I used it...which reminds me I need a pot atm brb.

There were SX "Boosters" you could get to keep the SX feeling going without overdoing it. 1 Cap am +1 cap PM, with a ton of water and you should be good IMO.

Another note to make, SX only worked at its best if I drank water like I breath air.
 
Anyone else find a little humor in the way this was written? I just don't wanna get a ticket but if it's just gonna make my heart explode i'm down! A little re-wording by yours truely :P


Thanks for breakin it down for me Jayhawk You know I need to keep my driving record clean. I take one in the morining an feel great. I did stop for a week I did take one today I would like to finish the last 15 tabs I have been making the gains I want .

No need for coffee, engery drinks or eat crappy food at the wrong time. that stuff might be worse for me.
 
there is a panel devoted to amphetamines on the drug test they give at my work, my test came back clean. i think it has been established by the scientific guys here and at other forums that you are not going to fail a drug test from slimx. hell, if i remember right i had just took one an hour before peeing in the bottle.

Could it be that the make up of the proline Ang not EXACTLY like anything that their tests look for? Even if it is very close in chemical structure, would it show up if any minuscule difference appears in the structure from any other amphetamine that they test for?

These were my thoughts when I heard people talk about "i was clean" after testing.

I do not know as my knowledge of amphetamines is somewhat limited to reactions and effects on the body.
 
Considering we're still trying to find out what's in SX it probably isn't a good idea to stack it with anything at all...
 
Could it be that the make up of the proline Ang not EXACTLY like anything that their tests look for? Even if it is very close in chemical structure, would it show up if any minuscule difference appears in the structure from any other amphetamine that they test for?

These were my thoughts when I heard people talk about "i was clean" after testing.

I do not know as my knowledge of amphetamines is somewhat limited to reactions and effects on the body.

How is the proline analog (Phenyl-pyrrolidinyltoluene) aka 2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine similar with or relate to amphetamine (IUPAC name 1-phenylpropan-2-amine (synonyms alpha-methylbenzeneethanamine, alpha-methylphenethylamine, beta-phenyl-isopropylamine)) and its other chemical analogs and/or chemical structure?
Even the stimulant pipradrol which was made illegal in many countries in the late 1970s doesnt have any chemical relation to any amphetamines.

"Amphetamine is related to drugs such as methamphetamine and dextroamphetamine, which are a group of potent drugs that act by increasing levels of norepinephrine, serotonin and dopamine in the brain."

Can you site any sources of your information hardknock?
 
I've been reading through this thread for a few days now. From what i gather some dont mind SX or the scandle behind it and some are taking shots at AX. A few others seem to just see $$$$$ and want a lawsuit that they will not win (read the bottle).

As a former user, i was mighty impressed with this product despite the few MINOR sides that i had. Do i feel betrayed by AX, hell yeah. Simply cannot trust anyone in the supplement world. I fall somewhere in between the lovers and haters of this product. No one really knows what is in it. They are passing drug tests. So is it really that bad? has anyone died from it? Did AX realize, eventually they would get caught? Does AX realize they lost credibility and trust in customers past, present, and future?

After consuming 3 bottles since may 09', it helped me reach my goals. I feel fine now (off it for almost 1 month now), but i will not rest until i know what is in it and what the consequenses will be.
 
I've been reading through this thread for a few days now. From what i gather some dont mind SX or the scandle behind it and some are taking shots at AX. A few others seem to just see $$$$$ and want a lawsuit that they will not win (read the bottle).

As a former user, i was mighty impressed with this product despite the few MINOR sides that i had. Do i feel betrayed by AX, hell yeah. Simply cannot trust anyone in the supplement world. I fall somewhere in between the lovers and haters of this product. No one really knows what is in it. They are passing drug tests. So is it really that bad? has anyone died from it? Did AX realize, eventually they would get caught? Does AX realize they lost credibility and trust in customers past, present, and future?

After consuming 3 bottles since may 09', it helped me reach my goals. I feel fine now (off it for almost 1 month now), but i will not rest until i know what is in it and what the consequenses will be.

You say that, "NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT IS IN SX," which to me that seems to be quite an unfounded statement that is solely based on your lack of knowledge regarding the issue of Slim Xtreme.

So have you taken the time to do any extensive searching on the SX issue outside of this thread or forum? Also it will be beneficial for you to take the time to research the technical information presented here that has been compiled by many throughout this thread especially the information regarding the proline analog (Phenyl-pyrrolidinyltoluene) before making groundless statements.
 
I think the information we have at this point, no matter where you search, is pretty much down to educated guesswork and isn't anything solid.

It seems to show that the unknown compound is 2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine (most people agree on)

Now, when it comes down to what it actually does in regards to short and long term effects we have to rely on using similiar drugs and their effects. So "No one really knows" isn't false in the general sense of the statement. You can call it whatever you like at this point but no one really knows the consequences of taking this product... If all the answers were there then this would of been a completely different thread.
 
I think the information we have at this point, no matter where you search, is pretty much down to educated guesswork and isn't anything solid.

It seems to show that the unknown compound is 2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine (most people agree on)

Now, when it comes down to what it actually does in regards to short and long term effects we have to rely on using similiar drugs and their effects. So "No one really knows" isn't false in the general sense of the statement. You can call it whatever you like at this point but no one really knows the consequences of taking this product... If all the answers were there then this would of been a completely different thread.

Great post!
 
Could someone clear this up for me? I thought I was following this thread but now I'm getting confused. At first, I thought the problem with SX was that it had a illegal stimulant that was banned because it's addictive and could have pysch side effects. Then I think I caught that the illegal stims metabolites will kill you heart. Then I think that I saw that the stim is ok except if its one analog but the other one will make your heart fall out. Could someone kinda throw together concise post that understands this. It seems I'm too dumb to get it.
 
Could someone clear this up for me? I thought I was following this thread but now I'm getting confused. At first, I thought the problem with SX was that it had a illegal stimulant that was banned because it's addictive and could have pysch side effects. Then I think I caught that the illegal stims metabolites will kill you heart. Then I think that I saw that the stim is ok except if its one analog but the other one will make your heart fall out. Could someone kinda throw together concise post that understands this. It seems I'm too dumb to get it.

here is a summary of what is known:

according to some tests, there is agreement that the substance in SX is to 99% "diphenylmethylpyrrolidine". Well, it was probable enough for AX to immediatey stop production of SX.



Is this substance harmful?

Nobody can exactely tell this since there is no published safety data.
In order to get an impression about potential side effects, people have looked at diphenylprilonol, a designer drug that has an extremely similar molecular structure as the substance in SX.

About this other substance, there is much anecdotal evidence that it may cause problems with your heart. Actually, so many people complained about heart problems, that even certain smartshops who were considering to use this substance and distribute it UG as party pill, decided to not use it.

Moreover, it is known that diphenylprolinol is a very strong dopamine transporter inhibitor and that it increases synpatic dopamine levels. In a dose-dependent manner, this could lead to psychosis in predisposed people and it could also be neurotoxic.

To what degree these adverse effects may apply to the substance in SX, is not clear, but it is considered to be very likely that they play a role.
 
Cliff notes: Slim x had a vague and some argue, misleading ingredient in their product. Right now the unknown item is believed to be a compound that resembles other drugs that are either illegal and/or highly addictive and damaging to your heart, brain and overall health. However, it's unknown at what doses and cycle lengths this will occur. A lot of the conjecture is based off user reports of symptoms and using those with symptoms of the compounds people believe they are similar to.


Short, short version: Unknown and possibly harmful, toxic and or/fatal compound with unknown dose, duration and drug contraindications. It is highly recommended by most that until that information is identified people should discontinue any use of Slim X.
 
Cliff notes: Stimx had a vague and some argue, misleading ingredient in their product. Right now the unknown item is believed to be a compound that resembles other drugs that are either illegal and/or highly addictive and damaging to your heart, brain and overall health. However, it's unknown at what doses and cycle lengths this will occur. A lot of the conjecture is based off user reports of symptoms and using those with symptoms of the compounds people believe they are similar to.


Short, short version: Unknown and possibly harmful, toxic and or/fatal compound with unknown dose, duration and drug contraindications. It is highly recommended by most that until that information is identified people should discontinue any use of Stim X.

Lets not confuse the issue at hand here. The supplement is not Stim X it is Slim X aka Slim Xtreme.

Also calling it a fatal compound seems a bit over the top according to the information and symptomology that has presented. Acetaminophen, aspirin, ibuprofen and caffiene to name a few all could be considered fatal compounds at extreme doses.
 
has anyone seen a official warning from the fda? if slimx is so damned harmful why haven't they put something out to the news media? if the fda is not releasing information on a potentially harmful supplement, just to protect their prosecution case, then that makes them guilty of culpable negligence, in my humble opinion. the fda's position of banning a substance to protect the public doesn't hold water when the fda is not even letting the pubic at large know there even is a risk. remember that slimx was sold at brick and mortar's, and bought by many who don't follow forums. what about the every day people who saw slimx on the shelve and bought it to loose a few pounds, and are totally unaware of any risk. shame on the fda.
 
I think the information we have at this point, no matter where you search, is pretty much down to educated guesswork and isn't anything solid.

It seems to show that the unknown compound is 2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine (most people agree on)

Now, when it comes down to what it actually does in regards to short and long term effects we have to rely on using similiar drugs and their effects. So "No one really knows" isn't false in the general sense of the statement. You can call it whatever you like at this point but no one really knows the consequences of taking this product... If all the answers were there then this would of been a completely different thread.

You have just stated that no one really knows the consequences of intaking the product which is true but not in regards to the chemical in question and yet that was what he was referring to in his post that stated NO one really knows the ingredient has caused the issues.

How do you figure that you can call the chemical in question, "what you like"?

The compound that has stirred up the controversy is the proline analog (Phenyl-pyrrolidinyltoluene) am I wrong?
 
Thanks for the correction.


If there is any belief that the possible side effects are what has been identified so far, then it is VERY possible for it to be lethal. Especially when unknown doses are involved. Then you have to factor in the area of function that most are saying it affects. Heart and brain...

Again, i've used it for a few days and did not suffer any of these sides that people are identifying. I am also not personally stating my opinion but rather giving the guy above me the short notes as to the general beliefs from various places and this thread.
 
You can call it what you like was directed towards the fact that no one knows anything definitive about it. Does it really matter if it's known as X or Y at this point? Especially when the big arguments for what this will do in the body is based off the same logic that is used to explain how one product can be completely different from another that it so closely resembles (re: Prohormones).
 
You can call it what you like was directed towards the fact that no one knows anything definitive about it. Does it really matter if it's known as X or Y at this point? Especially when the big arguments for what this will do in the body is based off the same logic that is used to explain how one product can be completely different from another that it so closely resembles (re: Prohormones).

Thank you for clarifying your statements.
I fully agree with you on the matter of the biochemical effects that this substance poses is truely undetermined, and unverified at this point. Yet we must know that we cannot be unclear as to the substance in question and at least for now study its closely related chemical analogs. So from my stand point it really does matter if it's known as X or Y as you state. It must be made clear that the substance at issue here is the Proline analog (Phenyl-pyrrolidinyltoluene).
 
here is a summary of what is known:

according to some tests, there is agreement that the substance in SX is to 99% "diphenylmethylpyrrolidine". Well, it was probable enough for AX to immediatey stop production of SX.



Is this substance harmful?

Nobody can exactely tell this since there is no published safety data.
In order to get an impression about potential side effects, people have looked at diphenylprilonol, a designer drug that has an extremely similar molecular structure as the substance in SX.

About this other substance, there is much anecdotal evidence that it may cause problems with your heart. Actually, so many people complained about heart problems, that even certain smartshops who were considering to use this substance and distribute it UG as party pill, decided to not use it.

Moreover, it is known that diphenylprolinol is a very strong dopamine transporter inhibitor and that it increases synpatic dopamine levels. In a dose-dependent manner, this could lead to psychosis in predisposed people and it could also be neurotoxic.

To what degree these adverse effects may apply to the substance in SX, is not clear, but it is considered to be very likely that they play a role.

BINGO.... if you take anything from this thread.. it is all right here.
 
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