First Test E Cycle

[juice3320]

Hey guys, I'm trying to put together a good first test e bulk cycle. This is what I have so far:

Week 1-10: 500mg test e per week (split two doses)
Week 1-4: 30mg dbol per day
Nolva: 10-20mg per day on cycle

PCT: Clomid Therapy
Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day
Also run Nolva at 20mg (or maybe more?) per day throughout PCT

Also, I am going to add in Cycle Support as well as all of the staple supps and a clean bulking diet loaded with cals (i.e. I am between 175-180 am going to take in 3500-4000cals per day). Do I need anything else in here (maybe HCG?) or am I pretty solid for a first cycle? All criticisms are welcome.

 

[juice3320]

bump. Anyone have a take on this?

 

[bigmoe65]

Hey guys, I'm trying to put together a good first test e bulk cycle. This is what I have so far:

Week 1-10: 500mg test e per week (split two doses)
Week 1-4: 30mg dbol per day
Nolva: 10-20mg per day on cycle

PCT: Clomid Therapy
Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day
Also run Nolva at 20mg (or maybe more?) per day throughout PCT

Also, I am going to add in Cycle Support as well as all of the staple supps and a clean bulking diet loaded with cals (i.e. I am between 175-180 am going to take in 3500-4000cals per day). Do I need anything else in here (maybe HCG?) or am I pretty solid for a first cycle? All criticisms are welcome.

Test looks good. I wouldnt bother splitting doses.
Dbol kickstart will be amazing. I loved dbol.
I wouldnt run the nolva unless youre gyno prone.
I never used clomid so maybe someone else could comment.
You could use some hcg towards the end to help kickstart the boys but it isnt a must.

 

[timmmah]

Hey guys, I'm trying to put together a good first test e bulk cycle. This is what I have so far:

Week 1-10: 500mg test e per week (split two doses)
Week 1-4: 30mg dbol per day
Nolva: 10-20mg per day on cycle

PCT: Clomid Therapy
Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day
Also run Nolva at 20mg (or maybe more?) per day throughout PCT


Also, I am going to add in Cycle Support as well as all of the staple supps and a clean bulking diet loaded with cals (i.e. I am between 175-180 am going to take in 3500-4000cals per day). Do I need anything else in here (maybe HCG?) or am I pretty solid for a first cycle? All criticisms are welcome.

Looks good except cut the nolva out altogether. Get some anastrozole (adex) for EOD on cycle starting week 2, in my experience it's way better to prevent gyno with adex then to try and eliminate it with nolva. I used clomid with novedex xt last pct and it worked wonders, try it, you won't be dissapointed.
I just noticed the dbol, start the adex in the beginning

 

[juice3320]

Ok, cool thanks. I was looking in to the adex as well and it does sound like a better idea. So what you are saying is I should take the dbol and adex from the start of my test e cycle? And the PCT looks good . I was going to run a natty test booster there as well. Thanks for the help!

Looks good except cut the nolva out altogether. Get some anastrozole (adex) for EOD on cycle starting week 2, in my experience it's way better to prevent gyno with adex then to try and eliminate it with nolva. I used clomid with novedex xt last pct and it worked wonders, try it, you won't be dissapointed.
I just noticed the dbol, start the adex in the beginning

 

[juice3320]

Thanks and yeah I've heard that there is nothing like a first timers "kick" on dbol . But thank you for the input and I may do the hcg at the end just to be safe. Thanks bro.

Test looks good. I wouldnt bother splitting doses.
Dbol kickstart will be amazing. I loved dbol.
I wouldnt run the nolva unless youre gyno prone.
I never used clomid so maybe someone else could comment.
You could use some hcg towards the end to help kickstart the boys but it isnt a must.

 

[lennoxchi]

Ok, cool thanks. I was looking in to the adex as well and it does sound like a better idea. So what you are saying is I should take the dbol and adex from the start of my test e cycle? And the PCT looks good . I was going to run a natty test booster there as well. Thanks for the help!

start taking the adex if the estro sides are becoming noticed. you might not need much, .5mgs EOD s/b good. i highly suggest sustain alpha by PP as an addition to your pre PCT (the 2 weeks after your last shot) and into PCT if you want. its a nice addition too or in place of HCG. i will never do another cycle without it. that can be your natty test booster

 

[juice3320]

Im glad to see you say that as I have the TRS on hand from Primordial and was thinking of doing that exact thing! Good stuff. And the only thing about adex is that it is some EXPENSIVE stuff but I guess in the long run it would be more than worth it.

start taking the adex if the estro sides are becoming noticed. you might not need much, .5mgs EOD s/b good. i highly suggest sustain alpha by PP as an addition to your pre PCT (the 2 weeks after your last shot) and into PCT if you want. its a nice addition too or in place of HCG. i will never do another cycle without it. that can be your natty test booster

 

[bigmoe65]

start taking the adex if the estro sides are becoming noticed. you might not need much, .5mgs EOD s/b good. i highly suggest sustain alpha by PP as an addition to your pre PCT (the 2 weeks after your last shot) and into PCT if you want. its a nice addition too or in place of HCG. i will never do another cycle without it. that can be your natty test booster

I would run the sustain only as a addition to the hcg, not a replacment. IMHO sustain isnt very potent. I just ran a bottle solo and it didnt to nothing. I ran a bottle about 5 months ago and it gave me a good libido spike. Very strange. I just wouldnt trust it in place of hcg.

 

[slacker86]

id highly suggest u research HCG doseage options, cause there are a few ways to do it. Im running HCG thruought my cycle and ending it before PCT starts. IT depends if u dont mind testicular atrophe and what u think the best way to recover from shutdown is. Ur clomid ends on day 21/week3.. I think u should buy enough to keep running 50 for another week, thats just my suggestion tho cause most clomid therapies go for 4 weeks. The addition of nolva is up to u. If ur going to run adex thru pct u dont need nolva at all (i dont suggest that tho). If ur going to stop adex then running nolva might not be a bad idea, HOWEVER i will say that most people do not suggest running both nolva and Clomid together, Lennoxchi can actually explain this better and is further along with his experience and he has said why many times before but i cant remember how he phrases it but it makes a lot of sense. So def ask him.

If ur going to run dbol at 30mg everyday u could run into week 5 if u wanted, that way test will be in full effect by then ( garunteed) most people feel test e around week 3-4 of injections. However if u wanna feel the test faster u could always front load, but thats up to u, a straight run might be better to start, however i wish i frontloaded with my cycle.

Ur diet. All i can say is a dbol+ test e is a HUGE bulkers cycle, if u want to gain a ton of muscle mass right now u can but u have to eat for it, That being said dont go by gains on the scale go by what u see in the mirror, there are a lot of people who run cycles liek this and just eat like crazy and they gain 30lbs of muscle but they also gain an addition 20 lbs of fat cause they where too concerned about what the scale reads. (the numbers especially on the fat are an exageration but im tryingg to give u an example). So eat clean and if u can eat more go ahead and do it just keep in mind how ur looking if u run adex thru the cycle and u have a clean diet ur def not going to have any water retention, so ur appearance on cycle will be pretty accurate to how u will look off cycle.

 

[juice3320]

I'm leaning towards going with both. Thanks man.

I would run the sustain only as a addition to the hcg, not a replacment. IMHO sustain isnt very potent. I just ran a bottle solo and it didnt to nothing. I ran a bottle about 5 months ago and it gave me a good libido spike. Very strange. I just wouldnt trust it in place of hcg.

 

[juice3320]

Thanks for the great info! Yeah I've seen HCG done a TON of different ways, I guess as you said it is all in personal choice. And I will have extra Clomid so I'll just run that an extra week to be safe. Thanks for the help and I always go by mirror progress . I use the scale only to see how many kcals I need to take in at any given time. The mirror tells all. Thanks again man and really good info.

id highly suggest u research HCG doseage options, cause there are a few ways to do it. Im running HCG thruought my cycle and ending it before PCT starts. IT depends if u dont mind testicular atrophe and what u think the best way to recover from shutdown is. Ur clomid ends on day 21/week3.. I think u should buy enough to keep running 50 for another week, thats just my suggestion tho cause most clomid therapies go for 4 weeks. The addition of nolva is up to u. If ur going to run adex thru pct u dont need nolva at all (i dont suggest that tho). If ur going to stop adex then running nolva might not be a bad idea, HOWEVER i will say that most people do not suggest running both nolva and Clomid together, Lennoxchi can actually explain this better and is further along with his experience and he has said why many times before but i cant remember how he phrases it but it makes a lot of sense. So def ask him.

If ur going to run dbol at 30mg everyday u could run into week 5 if u wanted, that way test will be in full effect by then ( garunteed) most people feel test e around week 3-4 of injections. However if u wanna feel the test faster u could always front load, but thats up to u, a straight run might be better to start, however i wish i frontloaded with my cycle.

Ur diet. All i can say is a dbol+ test e is a HUGE bulkers cycle, if u want to gain a ton of muscle mass right now u can but u have to eat for it, That being said dont go by gains on the scale go by what u see in the mirror, there are a lot of people who run cycles liek this and just eat like crazy and they gain 30lbs of muscle but they also gain an addition 20 lbs of fat cause they where too concerned about what the scale reads. (the numbers especially on the fat are an exageration but im tryingg to give u an example). So eat clean and if u can eat more go ahead and do it just keep in mind how ur looking if u run adex thru the cycle and u have a clean diet ur def not going to have any water retention, so ur appearance on cycle will be pretty accurate to how u will look off cycle.

 

[slacker86]

ur welcome i hope it helped

 

[lennoxchi]

I would run the sustain only as a addition to the hcg, not a replacment. IMHO sustain isnt very potent. I just ran a bottle solo and it didnt to nothing. I ran a bottle about 5 months ago and it gave me a good libido spike. Very strange. I just wouldnt trust it in place of hcg.

very much agreed, but if someone was not to run HCG then SA would be a very good option to add vs. adding nothing, that was my point....i wasn't really clear on that. and i'm running it now and am having very good results from it......but that's just me.

 

[Dyou]

Test looks good. I wouldnt bother splitting doses.
Dbol kickstart will be amazing. I loved dbol.
I wouldnt run the nolva unless youre gyno prone.
I never used clomid so maybe someone else could comment.
You could use some hcg towards the end to help kickstart the boys but it isnt a must.

you can get by with one shot a week?i was always told to split

 

[bigmoe65]

you can get by with one shot a week?i was always told to split

Absolutely. People say to split it up to keep your hormone fluctutions to a minimum, but test e is a long acting ester so I dont think it really matters. Just my opinion.

 

[Jasen]

letro works well too, and if ur stack test and dbol... u can go alittle higher like 40-50mg on dbol. dbol is kept at 20-30mg mostly when ppl run it alone in order not to retain too much water.

 

[slacker86]

letro is VERY VERY VERY powerful, id personally try to use adex first. Thats just me some others prefer letro tho.

 

[lennoxchi]

Absolutely. People say to split it up to keep your hormone fluctutions to a minimum, but test e is a long acting ester so I dont think it really matters. Just my opinion.

that's not really an opinion, it's a fact for, as you said, long acting esters. good info

 

[timmmah]

that's not really an opinion, it's a fact for, as you said, long acting esters. good info

I once saw a graph depicting the amount of test-e in the blood on a daily basis, it varies slightly when injections are not in the glutes, which made the test last the longest. The graphs levels went up day 2 after injection and blood levels of the test in PPM were the same for 8-9 days. So once a week is fine, and glutes are best.

 

[juice3320]

Hey guys, since there will be two injections per week do you think it would be best to roatate injection sites? Such as right glute, left glute, right thigh, left thigh, etc? Or could you just go right glute, left glute, right glute, left glute, etc? I have seen alot of varying opinions on this and wanted to see what you guys think?

 

[Jasen]

if letro so strong why do ppl on here recommended if i think its strong as well

 

[slacker86]

the only places i have seen letro recomended over adex is when there is already a significant amount of gyno post cycle and people want to reduce it and they taper it from like .25ml to 1.5 or however high then taper back down. I havenet seen anyone recoemend it on cycle often. As some estrogen in the body is actually good and sustains things like libido and such. The thing is letro destroys something like 98% of the estrogen in the body where as adex is around like 30-50% (i dont quite remember hte numbers on adex), which means adex works well enought to control estrogen related side effects and water retention, but not so much that it will negatively effect u.

 

[timmmah]

Hey guys, since there will be two injections per week do you think it would be best to roatate injection sites? Such as right glute, left glute, right thigh, left thigh, etc? Or could you just go right glute, left glute, right glute, left glute, etc? I have seen alot of varying opinions on this and wanted to see what you guys think?

I go left right left right, just try to hit different spots eg; high low on the glute,

 

[juice3320]

I go left right left right, just try to hit different spots eg; high low on the glute,

Cool thanks man