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2009 College Football Season

jmh80 said:
Re: cold weather. Please explain how so many of my beloved canes are thriving in the NFL in the northeast and midwest. I mean if the temp. were that big of a deal then certainly Devin Hester would never be able to have a 100+ yd kickoff return, no?

Same for Ed Reed. Bubba Franks didn't forget how to catch passes in green Bay. Hell the Bills have had 2 warm weather RB's in McGahee and now Marshawn.

Anyway just some thoughts on the weather debate.
Cheers! I hope to come to The Shoe next year - we got an inter from chemical engr. down here that will be in school next fall. I can't wait to see Pryor against Harris. Should be one helluva QB duel!
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I think it has to slow down the game to be playing on a muddy or slippery field so it could be an equalizer for a bigger, slower team. Having a few guys who played in the cold weather go to cold weather NFL teams isn't the same as having an entire warm weather college team come north to play a game in January. Last winter in January where I live it reached -20 degrees with the wind chill and it was snowing, frostbite on exposed skin happens in minutes in that weather. How's a group of young men from Florida who think 50 degrees is cold gonna deal with that.
 
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I think it has to slow down the game to be playing on a muddy or slippery field so it could be an equalizer for a bigger, slower team. Having a few guys who played in the cold weather go to cold weather NFL teams isn't the same as having an entire warm weather college team come north to play a game in January. Last winter in January where I live it reached -20 degrees with the wind chill and it was snowing, frostbite on exposed skin happens in minutes in that weather. How's a group of young men from Florida who think 50 degrees is cold gonna deal with that.
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This is a retarded argument. If USC had played Penn State in phucking Antarctica this past New Year's, and Ohio State had played Florida and LSU on the summit of Everest... the outcomes would've been the same.

All I know is, when your conference's champs play SEC and Pac-10 champs head-to-head... it gets ugly.
 
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BUCKNUTS said:
That hate can keep you warm in the cold weather. Seriously I'm one who does believe weather can be a factor in a football game, a very wet/muddy or cold/snowy field could neutralize a speed advantage IMO. A faster football team like Florida/USC playing in a foot of snow in Columbus would be fun to watch, they should have some bowl games in the mid-west in January just to test the theory.
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reps for not being oblivious
 
rubberring said:
This is a retarded argument. If USC had played Penn State in phucking Antarctica this past New Year's, and Ohio State had played Florida and LSU on the summit of Everest... the outcomes would've been the same.

All I know is, when your conference's champs play SEC and Pac-10 champs head-to-head... it gets ugly.
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this "RETARTED" argument leaves a bad taste in your mouth..why???? because..

you cant handle the truth
 
rubberring said:
This is a retarded argument. If USC had played Penn State in phucking Antarctica this past New Year's, and Ohio State had played Florida and LSU on the summit of Everest... the outcomes would've been the same.

All I know is, when your conference's champs play SEC and Pac-10 champs head-to-head... it gets ugly.
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Have you ever played football on a muddy or snowy football field and then played football on a nice dry field? I have many, many times, not watching actually out in it. I promise you it is a BIG factor, you cannot cut, your qb has a harder time gripping and throwing the ball etc, etc, etc on and on. I would love to see it put to the test and have bowl games in January in Columbus, Ann Arbor(yeah right) or Beaver Stadium of course that will never happen but I would love it.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
Have you ever played football on a muddy or snowy football field and then played football on a nice dry field? I have many, many times, not watching actually out in it. I promise you it is a BIG factor, you cannot cut, your qb has a harder time gripping and throwing the ball etc, etc, etc on and on. I would love to see it put to the test and have bowl games in January in Columbus, Ann Arbor(yeah right) or Beaver Stadium of course that will never happen but I would love it.
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But ultimately... WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE TEAM IN QUESTION???? That they have become accustomed to chilly, miserable weather? Okay... so the hell what??? If anything, your acclimation to cold weather has now become an unfair advantage. I would think that would run counter to your argument.

Is playing in pleasant weather an unfair advantage to SEC and Pac-10 teams? Can you imagine any analyst or sports writer claiming that???

Really... it's a dumb thing to brag about.
 
interesting article I stumbled upon.......:147:



1. Why is a quarterback who grew up in Mississippi now the most-famous cold-weather QB of all time?
It really is hard to explain how a man who spent more than half his life in the South can have a 43-5 record at home when the temperature dips below 34 degrees at kickoff. But Packers quarterback Brett Favre, if you haven't noticed by now, is a unique individual. He's also a great player. And great players can produce under any conditions.

"Brett is a mentally tough individual, so that plays a big part in his success [in the cold]," said Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg, who served as Favre's quarterbacks coach in Green Bay in 1996. "He also has huge hands and a really strong arm. So you know he's not going to have problems holding onto the football and he's going to get it where it has to go regardless of the conditions.

"I've seen a lot of guys who can't throw once the temperatures drop or the wind picks up. He's not one of those players."

Mornhinweg added that the tougher adjustment is on the receivers who have to catch Favre's passes. The velocity on the quarterback's passes can be so great that it can feel like bricks are flying through the air when it's cold.

But one thing that doesn't change in frigid weather is Favre's preparation. He's never been known to do anything different when a cold-weather game is on the schedule and he probably won't start with this weekend's NFC Championship Game against the Giants.

"Whether it's hot, cold, rainy or windy," Mornhinweg said, "Brett has no problems playing football." -- Jeffri Chadiha


2. How does a warm-weather team prepare for cold weather?
When former Atlanta head coach Dan Reeves led the Falcons to a 27-7 NFC wild-card win over Green Bay in 2002 -- the Packers' first home playoff loss at Lambeau Field -- he didn't change a thing.


"Everybody says you have to prepare for [the cold] but concentration is the most important thing," Reeves said. "You have to worry about getting your job done and then you see how much the elements affect the guy across from you. When it comes to weather, you adjust to it as the game goes on. You can't go into a game expecting it to be a certain way because things can change."

Reeves added that technology has improved to the point that players are more capable of dealing with the cold these days. Most players will wear insulated tights under their uniforms and will keep chemical-warming devices inside their gloves and socks.

Former NFL running back Eddie George was with the Titans when they played at New England in a Saturday night playoff game in the 2003 season. The game-time temperature was 4 degrees and the wind-chill factor was minus-10.

George placed foot warmers in his shoes and hand warmers in a pouch that was attached to his waist. He also wore thicker socks than normal.

"You can't go out there thinking that you are going to be able to beat the elements," George said. "... The key is to keep your extremities warm; then you are fine. But for the most part, you need to treat it like it is a normal football game."

When Reeves played in the famed Ice Bowl game in Green Bay back in 1967 -- he was a running back on the Dallas Cowboys team that lost to the Packers in that year's NFL Championship game -- players used cotton gloves and long underwear to combat temperatures that fell to a frigid 13 degrees below zero. And as Reeves noted, "Nobody can prepare for the weather when it's that cold."

Of course, Reeves' Atlanta team did catch a great break in 2002. Instead of facing the typical sub-zero weather that can hit Green Bay in January, the Falcons played in conditions that were far more optimal (the game-time temperature at kickoff was 31 degrees and the wind registered at just 4 mph). -- Jeffri Chadiha (additional reporting by William Bendetson)
 
rubberring said:
This is a retarded argument. If USC had played Penn State in phucking Antarctica this past New Year's, and Ohio State had played Florida and LSU on the summit of Everest... the outcomes would've been the same.

All I know is, when your conference's champs play SEC and Pac-10 champs head-to-head... it gets ugly.
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I do agree with you that we would have lost to Florida in the rain or wherever that day they were flat out better. Until the Big Ten reverses the current trend of getting killed by SEC teams (if it reverses it) I would never argue our superiority because that's clearly not the case.
 
plenny... this is going to shock you, but human beings can adapt to almost anything. Yes, even cold weather. Talent is talent. Athleticism is athleticism. Your trivial article didn't mention that Aaron Rodgers played at Cal-Berkeley... or that Tom Brady grew up in San Mateo, CA.

Really, man...
 
BUCKNUTS said:
I do agree with you that we would have lost to Florida in the rain or wherever that day they were flat out better. Until the Big Ten reverses the current trend of getting killed by SEC teams (if it reverses it) I would never argue our superiority because that's clearly not the case.
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And that, my friend, is the difference between you and the delusional Penn State fan... who shall go unnamed.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
Have you ever played football on a muddy or snowy football field and then played football on a nice dry field? I have many, many times, not watching actually out in it. I promise you it is a BIG factor, you cannot cut, your qb has a harder time gripping and throwing the ball etc, etc, etc on and on. I would love to see it put to the test and have bowl games in January in Columbus, Ann Arbor(yeah right) or Beaver Stadium of course that will never happen but I would love it.
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the penn st loss to Iowa was a testiment to adverse weather conditions..however, penn st is no stranger to cold/wind and should have been prepared. hell, i believe iowa could have beat florida or usc at home on that day:laugh2:
 
Alright... I'm gonna try... TRY... to get this thread back on track.

You guys watching this S. Carolina-NC State game? I can't tell if the defenses are really, really good, or if the offenses are just... offensive.:lol:
 
rubberring said:
But ultimately... WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE TEAM IN QUESTION???? That they have become accustomed to chilly, miserable weather? Okay... so the hell what??? If anything, your acclimation to cold weather has now become an unfair advantage. I would think that would run counter to your argument.

Is playing in pleasant weather an unfair advantage to SEC and Pac-10 teams? Can you imagine any analyst or sports writer claiming that???

Really... it's a dumb thing to brag about.
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I was not bragging but rather trying to make the point (unsuccessfully) that if our biggest disadvantage is as almost everyone says that we lack the speed of SEC teams then it stands to reason if we played them on a nasty field it would equalize that aspect of the game. I have absolutely heard many analysts make these sort of statements about a slow muddy/snowy field, but then I watch a lot of games where it is more of an issue so perhaps you don't hear SEC/Pac Ten analysts making this statement very often.
 
rubberring said:
Alright... I'm gonna try... TRY... to get this thread back on track.

You guys watching this S. Carolina-NC State game? I can't tell if the defenses are really, really good, or if the offenses are just... offensive.:lol:
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I think it's the latter.
 
[Your trivial article didn't mention that Aaron Rodgers played at Cal-Berkeley... or that Tom Brady grew up in San Mateo, CA.

Really, man...[/QUOTE]

first, Aaron rodgers hasn't established a name for himself. second, tom brady went to michigan (4yrs) "plenny" of time to adapt to the elements. My wife's uncle came up for a visit from west palm beach, fl (even he hates the sec) back in may of this year..it was 60F and he had to put a coat on. at the same time i had a tank top on.
 

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To further address this recurring issue: Assuming that cold, miserable weather would effect ball-handling skills the most, it would then make sense that the QB position would be most adversely affected. Yet, it doesn't really seem to bother NFL scouts and owners when they draft quarterbacks to play in open-air stadiums in frigid areas. Forget Favre, there's:

Buffalo - Trent Edwards --- Stanford
New England - Tom Brady --- Played HS ball in CA
Chicago - Jay Cutler --- Vanderbilt (TN)
Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers --- California
NYJ - Mark Sanchez --- USC
NYG - Eli Manning --- Ole Miss
Cincinnati - Carson Palmer --- USC

Don't even say that they aren't proven QBs... as that's beside the point. The fact is that owners don't even factor the "cold-weather" issue in... because any human can adapt to it.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
I was not bragging but rather trying to make the point (unsuccessfully) that if our biggest disadvantage is as almost everyone says that we lack the speed of SEC teams then it stands to reason if we played them on a nasty field it would equalize that aspect of the game. I have absolutely heard many analysts make these sort of statements about a slow muddy/snowy field, but then I watch a lot of games where it is more of an issue so perhaps you don't hear SEC/Pac Ten analysts making this statement very often.
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contrary to popular belief..WE DO NOT LACK SPEED!!!!!

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Casey Calder, an Internet college football analyst, compared the times of skill position players from Northern schools versus those who played in the South. He found that wide receivers from Northern schools actually outran their Southern counterparts: The Northerners, on average, ran the 40 in 4.502 seconds, while the Southerners ran it in 4.548. Southern and Northern cornerbacks finished in a virtual dead heat, 4.535 to 4.555, respectively.
 
plenny said:
contrary to popular belief..WE DO NOT LACK SPEED!!!!!

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Casey Calder, an Internet college football analyst, compared the times of skill position players from Northern schools versus those who played in the South. He found that wide receivers from Northern schools actually outran their Southern counterparts: The Northerners, on average, ran the 40 in 4.502 seconds, while the Southerners ran it in 4.548. Southern and Northern cornerbacks finished in a virtual dead heat, 4.535 to 4.555, respectively.
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You're so deluded. plenny... everyone... and I mean EVERYONE... who watched the BCS title games in '06 and '07, as well as the last few Rose Bowls, could see... very CLEARLY... that Ohio State and Penn State were much, much, much, much, much SLOWER than their opponents. In fact, it was very embarrassing for your conference. It was noted by almost every writer who covered the aforementioned events. So, these 40 times... are very much beside the point. ON THE PLAYING FIELD is where speed counts.

Here, perhaps you're a visual learner. Let me put what I'm saying into a picture:



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rubberring said:
You're so deluded. plenny... everyone... and I mean EVERYONE... who watched the BCS title games in '06 and '07, as well as the last few Rose Bowls, could see... very CLEARLY... that Ohio State and Penn State were much, much, much, much, much SLOWER than their opponents. In fact, it was very embarrassing for your conference. It was noted by almost every writer who covered the aforementioned events. So, these 40 times... are very much beside the point. ON THE PLAYING FIELD is where speed counts.

Here, perhaps you're a visual learner. Let me put what I'm saying into a picture:



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deluded??? you only mentioned one or two instances. need more FACTS dude.

feast your eyes on this quick clip

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plenny said:
deluded??? you only mentioned one or two instances. need more FACTS dude.

feast your eyes on this quick clip

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Wow, that wasn't predictable or anything. You only bring up that one game every time you find yourself in a corner. Were those the best teams from their respective conferences that season? Do you really think Florida was thrilled to be in that bowl game? Think it being Lloyd Carr's last game made it pretty emotional for the Michigan players? Was it the same caliber Gator team from '06 or '08?

No... no... yes... and no.
 
rubberring said:
Alright... I'm gonna try... TRY... to get this thread back on track.

You guys watching this S. Carolina-NC State game? I can't tell if the defenses are really, really good, or if the offenses are just... offensive.:lol:
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i don't think anyone cares about 2 $hitty southern schools
 
plenny said:
i don't think anyone cares about 2 $hitty southern schools
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OK plenny USC is a mid level SEC school, but I promise you they would beat 80% of your beloved Big 10

The big 10 calling out the SEC. hahahahahahahahaha.
 
Well - dud of a game for S. Carolina-NC St. Boring.

BTW - I'm at the UF library. Came to visit my Mom this week - my brother's computer is broken.
I'm leaving town before they play Rent-a-win U on Saturday. LSU is away so I'll actually be able to get back to my house. Woot!

Go Canes!
 
Yeah - figures.

I'm not surprised about the Pack. They do this every year - start out like crap and play well the last few games of the season.

I'm out of here - off to watch Orygun-Boise on the Smurf Turf.
 
Plenny's Scrapbook

random's
 

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Smith70592 said:
Plenny I rather **** your mom ,*****
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plenny said:
get off mom's, i just got off yours. you $%^&'n douchbag
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C'mon now, fellas. The '08 thread was a gazillion pages long, and it never degraded into that. This is a thread for smack talkin' about football... not moms... especially plenny's hot, luscious, big-nippled mom.

C'mon... hug it out, biatches.:hug: Don't be poop-mouths.

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rubberring said:
C'mon now, fellas. The '08 thread was a gazillion pages long, and it never degraded into that. This is a thread for smack talkin' about football... not moms... especially plenny's hot, luscious, big-nippled mom.

C'mon... hug it out, biatches.:hug: Don't be poop-mouths.

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i agree with you 100%. (not about my mom) i guess that troll couldn't handle my smack talkin and threw my sweet lil mom in the mix.
 

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hey rubbering!!

note the knit hats and hard nipples that are associated with "cold weather
 

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This Orygun-Boise game has really degenerated the last quarter or so. Seems like 4 straight TO's by both teams.
Ugly
 
jmh80 said:
This Orygun-Boise game has really degenerated the last quarter or so. Seems like 4 straight TO's by both teams.
Ugly
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Yeah, both teams look really sloppy. The Ducks' QB is full of fail. I hope they play like this against Cal.
 
Agreed on Oregon's Blount. He's an immature thug, and should be suspended from all collegiate sports.

However... I am far more concerned with the fact that we're gonna have to deal with Boise State being in the BCS mix for the rest of the season. Let's face it, Oregon wasn't a #16 caliber team. They're a train wreck. But on paper, it's going to look as if Boise State was really tested by a team from a major conference. Couple that with ESPN's love affair with the Broncos, and it's going to get sickening. They play chumps on that phucking... what should be illegal... smurf turf the rest of the way. Look at this schedule. Rivals' preseason rankings are in parenthesis. Their highest ranked opponent the remainder of the season is... #57 Nevada.:261: How do they NOT finish 13-0?

Miam, OH (#113)
Fresno State (#69)
Bowling Green (#73)
UC Davis (Div. I)
Tulsa (#62)
Hawaii (#99)
San Jose State (#93)
La. Tech (#72)
Idaho (#119)
Utah State (#109)
Nevada (#57)
New Mexico State (#115)
 
OldGator said:
Looking at strength of schedule, if UF or Texas drop one you could have a Boise State - PSU NCG!! :yuck:
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If that scenario were to develop... I would consider vigilante justice against the NCAA. Anyone wanna PM a site that illustrates how to make pipe bombs?
 
plenny said:
note the knit hats and hard nipples that are associated with "cold weather
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Can't see much but my experience has been you can't compare Big 11 girls to SEC girls.

And you can't compare anyone to FSU girls.

Just sayin'.
 
So - couple of things:
1 - Blount is out for the season. Man - 17 TD's or whatever last year to gone this year. THAT is a dive of Biblical proportions.
2 - What cha think about the games today?

I think Bama has a tough game against VaTech but do win. The loss of RB Darren Evans for VT is just too much to overcome and I'm not sold on Tyrod Taylor.
That being said - we saw how Bama laid an egg in the Sugar w/o Andre Smith. And they have a new QB with McElroy.

I'd put it at a TD win by Bama.


The other game I'm looking forward to is UGa-OSU. I think the Pokes have too much firepower in the passing game against a weakened UGa secondary (with top corner Asher Allen gone to the NFL). Dez Bryant and Kendall Hunter have big days and OSU beats UGa.
 
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