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asumeing one knows how to throw a proper power punch does the more you bench nessesarly = how hard u hit?
Damn straight, Terri Moss is one of the trainers at my gym. She is a current world champ and I don't think she ways 90 lbs wet, but she hits like a freakin' hammer.Ummm... have you ever watched a professional flyweight boxing match? I'd be surprised if any of those guys could bench over 200 lbs... but I wouldn't step into the ring with one of them.:lol:
The more power you can create the harder you will hit. Power = strength x speed.asumeing one knows how to throw a proper power punch does the more you bench nessesarly = how hard u hit?
There it is.The more power you can create the harder you will hit. Power = strength x speed.
For example, there are powerlifters who lift a whole lot of weight (max strength), but cannot generate a lot of power with lighter weight.
Vice versa - Olympic weight lifters may not have as high of strength as powerlifters, but they generate a whole lot more power with a given weight.
Definitely. "Maximum strength" is more or less a direct representation of the [particular] muscle's ability to isometrically contract with maximum force - or, put otherwise: its maximum potential output of force [or ability to do work]. In essence, what we consider "strength" in bodybuilding terms if nothing more than applied force, irrespective of distance/time.The more power you can create the harder you will hit. Power = strength x speed.
For example, there are powerlifters who lift a whole lot of weight (max strength), but cannot generate a lot of power with lighter weight.
Vice versa - Olympic weight lifters may not have as high of strength as powerlifters, but they generate a whole lot more power with a given weight.
what are some ways one can train ballistic/dynamic style training. or a routine of this type i could google to learn more about thisDefinitely. "Maximum strength" is more or less a direct representation of the [particular] muscle's ability to isometrically contract with maximum force - or, put otherwise: its maximum potential output of force [or ability to do work]. In essence, what we consider "strength" in bodybuilding terms if nothing more than applied force, irrespective of distance/time.
"Maximum power", on the other hand, is the amalgam of both force [maximum strength] and velocity [maximum speed] between two given points - or, put otherwise: the maximum amount of force the muscle can generate in, say, 200 msec (eg.)
Now, putting this together with your example: the world's top bench-presser may generate more foot-pounds of torque [the scalar measurement of force] throughout the length of his record-setting bench press, but due to the relative length of the lift, the world's top clean and jerk lifter generates more speed [the scalar measurement of velocity] by moving a particular weight over a particular distance faster than the bench-presser - as a result, he is said to have more "Maximum Power" because he generated force more quickly, while the bench presser is said to have more "Maximum Strength" because he generated more force in total. Ultimately, it boils down to muscle efficiency: how much force is being generated over a particular period - the "rate of work".
Correlating this all with MMA, somebody's KO power is ultimately determined by their muscular efficiency - again, their ability to generate force at a particular rate. So, while other 205'ers may have better physiques than Chuck, and be able to lift more in 'X,Y,Z' lift, his muscular efficiency allows him to generate maximum contractile force in his muscles in a very short period - allowing him to deliver more force in a .5 second period than, say, Vitor Belfort, despite the fact Vitor Belfort can probably generate more force overall.
This is why the top MMA trainers focus much more on ballistic/dynamic training rather than standard weight-training: because the necessity for power takes precedent over the necessity for strength in most instances. I mean, if you are "stronger" than your opponent on the mat, but he can generate more power in a given period, that means he will out-power you in most instances.
No, because you have to understand the difference between strength and power.it seem like it must be some what relative even if not directly connected. someone who benches 200lbs just doesnt seem like thy should be able to hit as hard as someone who benches 450lbs even if only because the heavier bencher has more body weight (muscle mass) to throw in his/her punch or the support muscles have gotten stronger because of lifting the heavier weight. mullet says it efficiancy of the muscle and that makes sense. but along with that the conetic chain of a punch starts at your back foot goes up thru your core and hips thru your upperbody and out thru your fist as a lunging twist sort of motion. common sense (tho maybe wrong just my opinion) would seem to dictate the more upper body power/strenght and weight u have the more you could amplify that conetic energy for a greater out put. or look at it this way if you take a good boxer whos punch power is x. now weight train that boxer till he benches 150 more pounds than before surly his punch power must have increased? right make that striker chuck for example already a great striker but would he be better if he benched anther 150 lbs?
Brief Summary of the Difference between strength & power without sounding too Mullet.it seem like it must be some what relative even if not directly connected. someone who benches 200lbs just doesnt seem like thy should be able to hit as hard as someone who benches 450lbs even if only because the heavier bencher has more body weight (muscle mass) to throw in his/her punch or the support muscles have gotten stronger because of lifting the heavier weight. mullet says it efficiancy of the muscle and that makes sense. but along with that the conetic chain of a punch starts at your back foot goes up thru your core and hips thru your upperbody and out thru your fist as a lunging twist sort of motion. common sense (tho maybe wrong just my opinion) would seem to dictate the more upper body power/strenght and weight u have the more you could amplify that conetic energy for a greater out put. or look at it this way if you take a good boxer whos punch power is x. now weight train that boxer till he benches 150 more pounds than before surly his punch power must have increased? right make that striker chuck for example already a great striker but would he be better if he benched anther 150 lbs?
Yes, much simpler than my version!Brief Summary of the Difference between strength & power without sounding too Mullet.
To augment Jas' fine general points about Benching being a slow movement and power being velocity based, how could one reason that someone with a weaker bench, could still punch harder?
Imagine your left hand and all five fingers. Each finger, digits 1 through 5 will represent your a single motor unit. Each motor unit, innervates 5 muscle fibers, basically, motor units are responsible for recruiting muscle fibers in order to produce force. With this picture of your 5 digits on your left hand and each digit touching 5 muscle fibers, here is the key variable. In a bench press or anything requiring strength, but lets take the bench press, imagine yourself lowering the bar to your chest and as you push off, finger 1 (motor unit) excites 3-4 muscle fibers in this instance, then immediately following fingers 2 & 3 excites excites all 5 innervating fibers, now fingers 4-5 excites their fibers and by the end of the bench press, all five fingers and all five innervating muscles have been activated and participated in the force production required to overcome the resistance. Basically, this is a Laymen's picture of strength.
Power. As oppose to digits 1 through 5 exciting their respective innervating muscle fibers in a progressive fashion, if your body is primed for power, all 5 digits and all 5 innervating muscles of those 5 digits fire in unison, a synchronous moment of full force production. To further clarify and emphasize, your body is laced with thousands upon thousands of motor units. In strength, during the a squat or bench press or whatever, imagine city lights turning on in bunches as it hits night fall, that would represent the rate of force production. On the other hand, with power, imagine every city light turning on in one single instance.
You can be stronger and contain more motor units then someone else, but if that "weaker" person's body is able to excite more motor units in a single instance, in spite of the fact that you have more total motor units, but if your motor units are going off in a progressive fashion, as oppose to synchronous, then in a single instant, such a strike, the weaker person with the synchronous force production will strike harder, then someone who is stronger, but excites their motor units asynchronously.
That's about as basic as I can make it. The two main elements.
#1. Increased muscle fiber recruit per motor unit.
#2. Coordinate motor unit firing.
Those two principles are prime elements that differentiate strength from power (these aren't the only two factors, we can discuss decreased antagonist co-contraction, decreased excitation of the golgi tendon in high velocity movements, increased neuron firing, advantageous neural pathways via neural plasia in response to velocity training, hypertrophy of the sarcolemma.... power has a whole world of adaptions unto itself, that does not require the presence of more muscle or stronger bench).
I didn't check for spelling or grammatical errors because I have a bit of Vodka in me and I don't want to, so I apologize for any incoherencies
Yes, much simpler than my version!
yea im sure it would. last time i punched a d-bag i broke the bone behind my knuckle. so i probly should do some sort of hand and bone strengthing. i can hit like a horse but i been bulking for quite a while and im losing flexabilty for example putting my seat belt on is a serious job. i dont want to get so immobile that a little quick guy can windmill me before i get a hold of em or land a ko punch. i mean im still quick but i dont have the same spectrum of movement that i used to. im not claiming to be a tough guy im not out fightin all the time but if it happens i'd like to be at full potential so i can defend myselfi was told to do push ups with your fists balled like you were going to punch, it might not add strength or power to the punch but it's supposed to toughin your hands to make the skin and fists harder when you do hit something or someone
ya doing knuckle push ups on cement is good, and also grip workouts is also great.i was told to do push ups with your fists balled like you were going to punch, it might not add strength or power to the punch but it's supposed to toughin your hands to make the skin and fists harder when you do hit something or someone
make sure to take ur calcium your gonna need it doin thatya doing knuckle push ups on cement is good, and also grip workouts is also great.
look at Foreman hitting this heavy bag imagine him with mma glovesasumeing one knows how to throw a proper power punch does the more you bench nessesarly = how hard u hit?
look at Foreman hitting this heavy bag imagine him with mma gloves
From what I noticed of Heavy handed Boxers is they don't do body building work outs just calisthenics and plyos.
Basic stuff like those clapping push ups, crunches, jump rope, pull ups, chins, dips. they want the body to be fluid so the fist is like a ball at the end of a chain so all the weight travels to that fist.
the current Boxers stopped doing Neck Bridges though, Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield still did them
like this type of training