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abnxtwo

abnxtwo

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I'm gonna start an Epi cycle this coming monday, should I use a cycle support during and also should I pulse this product. I've heard doing that might be the safer way for a first timers. Also how big a deal is my diet gonna play in this cycle i already eat lean and as much as I can and I go hard in the gym.
 
yes take cycle support and all the basic supps, vitamins, fish oils, bcaa etc etc.
and for your frist time you can do either pulse it or run it striaght the biggest part of the cycle is your PCT, if that is key then your good, because you can slam weights all month long but have a crappy PCT and lose all your gains quick.
diet is gonna be a major role load up on protien, if your diet is in check than dont worrie about pay more attention to yourself and all of your supporting supplements.

what kind of PCT you have line up?
 
vika808 said:
yes take cycle support and all the basic supps, vitamins, fish oils, bcaa etc etc.
and for your frist time you can do either pulse it or run it striaght the biggest part of the cycle is your PCT, if that is key then your good, because you can slam weights all month long but have a crappy PCT and lose all your gains quick.
diet is gonna be a major role load up on protien, if your diet is in check than dont worrie about pay more attention to yourself and all of your supporting supplements.

what kind of PCT you have line up?
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^^^true statement, so many beg. forget about pct and wonder why they loose it all.

throw up your pct and we can help you out form there
 
a solid pct for your epi cycle would be somthing like hypertest or another natty test booster and Inhibit E, or another AI
 
So should I start something like that before my last dose of epi runs out. And also should I be taking a cycle support while using the epi and if so whats better pills or powder? Sorry for all the questions I just wanna do things right.
 
no prob bro...of course you want to always preload your cycle support sups, i personally like "cycle support" its a powder that you can just mix in your protein shake twice a day. you also want to take it on cycle and pct.

start your pct the day after your last epi dose...so say your last dose was sunday, then start pct on monday
 
I can either work out early in the morning around 5:30am to 7:30am or after work around 5pm till whenever. What would be a better time?
 
Pulsing would be appropriate for a first cycle, I recommend still having a proper pct, stoked and preferably a SERM due to the fact that epi is a 5a reduced compound, as I put its a sneaky compound LOL.
 
i would run
PCT assist from cel
A good natty test like t911,stoked,mass fx,blue up,
a estrogen blocker like 6oxo only if you start to notice some gyno.
i also used lean fx which is a leaning agent and a cort blocker, which in your case would be good due to epi will help lean you out.
also still take the basic supp.
 
I just got some Epivol,which is supposed to be a better Spawn, with Epi and Tren. I'm not sure what to think about it, but I've heard good things. It's made by Chapparrel Labs.
 
Curious as to why somebody would want to run an AI during pCT for a compound like Epi seeing as Epi already has estro inhibiting/lowering properties, Would it really be wise after a 4 week cycle to keep estro levels lowered for a whole month? Isn't this just setting yourself up for a potential rebound?

In my opnion for your PCT, go for something with some Resveratrol, like Stoked or CEL's PCT Assist + A test booster like Diesel Test Hardcore, that should serve you well.
 
Oh, and You may want to keep a SERM like nolva handy just in case, best to be prepared for the worst :)

Wouldn't be nice if God forbid the cycle didn' turn out as planned and you had to stop soon after starting and needed a SERM :)
 
Thanks for the advice man, i think everybody's got there own info wheither its correct or not. I just starting out so i'm sure finding the right answers to all mt q's will be a quest in itself. But I do appreciate any help i get.
 
WilteredFire said:
Curious as to why somebody would want to run an AI during pCT for a compound like Epi seeing as Epi already has estro inhibiting/lowering properties, Would it really be wise after a 4 week cycle to keep estro levels lowered for a whole month? Isn't this just setting yourself up for a potential rebound?

In my opnion for your PCT, go for something with some Resveratrol, like Stoked or CEL's PCT Assist + A test booster like Diesel Test Hardcore, that should serve you well.
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Yes I am also very curious about the use of an AI during PCT. Estrogen does play several key roles in the body and you dont want to completely obliterate it but rather keep it in check. Maybe someone with a little more knowledge can help us out here?
 
for your first cycle i wouldn't pulse it, so that you can tell the effects very clearly and easily of the drug. best to just keep it simple. every steroid has side effects and your first few cycles should be relatively simply so you can isolate and learn to deal with and counter the various side effects. i would recommend you don't run the cycle too long too, 4 weeks max.

many disagree on here and Epi is pretty mild, but i MUCH MUCH prefer the research chem PCTs like clomid or nolva. they work much better but some say they are overkill for mild oral cycles. nothing worse than having your natural test NOT come back, it takes many weeks to usually figure it out and get everything back on track. so i'd rather take my chances with clomid.

i prefer working out in the morning so that i can eat all day to feed my muscles. if you work out before you go to sleep you don't get to eat for 7-8+ hours, right when you need to eat.

don't be afraid to eat everything in sight while on cycle man, i can eat all sorts of garbage and not put on fat. you will be much happier with your cycle if you sit down and figure out exactly what and how much you need to eat. biggest mistake i see on here is people not eating enough and then wondering why they get no gains.
DIET IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVEN THE ANABOLICS/EPI YOU ARE TAKING!! for sure!! get that dialed. before every cycle i do i write down EVER thing i eat for at least 2-3 weeks so i know what i need to change. its not easy but if you want to be a champion or better than the next guy you can't be lazy.

good luck and have fun.
 
Hey thanks for the good response!!... So should I take the Epi in 10mg doses pre/post or 20mg? And would the clomid be a stand alone for pct or should I invest in some pct pills. I've also heard that I need plenty of bcaa's which i belive I already get in my whey powder, do you know of any multi-vitamins that will cover all the bases seems like theres some many choices and everyones got their one ideas. I know I need cycle assist and maybe some gainer I find it hard in the pm to really eat alot. If you can kinda give me an idea of what should be the proper lineup of supps to go along with cycle it would be much appreciated. You write like you have some experince and brains that can be hard to find.
 
i use cytogainer (yummmmm.....mint choc..yummm) and i throw in a scoop of "cycle support"
and i sip on some flavored nectar protein all day.

i would say take 20mg of epi and take one when you wake up with a bunch of oil, either omega or peanut butter or olive oil, whatever. i like to take 5 flax seed oil pills and a small thing of grapefruit juice. then i take my last pill at 5pm. any later and i have trouble sleeping.


clomid is good stand alone for PCT but you really want all you can get, i usually include some tribulus and fenugreek as well as some pump supp to keep it interesting. diesel test hardcore is bada$$ but pills are too big for me to swallow or i'd use that in PCT.

check out the PCT forum on here and you'll see how to put together a good PCT. PCT Is really the hardest part man, you'll find out, but if you don't do your PCT its easy to lose all of your gains and even more. you'll have zero test in your body when you're done, and not only will you feel shi ttty, but you'll drop muscle and strenght like crazy. but you just have to power through it.

i suggest keeping a log too, so everyone on here can help out. some smart bros on here. seriously though, get your diet dialed first or you'll get no gains and waste your time.
 
Hey man you sound like one of those smart brothers on here. So tell me what you think of this meal plan. I got a couple of diffrent variations but most of them have included certain supps that I don't think will mix well with my Epi cycle . Meal#1 40 grams of whey protein mixed with 300ml of water. 30mins later, spanish omelette using 2 whole eggs and 4 egg whites. 2 pieces of brown toast with margarine. 60g 620
Meal#2 Weight gainer shake. 30 grams of protein, 40 grams of carbs, 5 grams creatine. 1 banana. 30g 380
Meal#3 Ground beef chilli with brown rice OR 150 grams grilled chick or pork with brown rice. 40g 600
Meal#4 Weight gainer shake which includes 30 grams of protein, 40 grams of pure carbs and 5 grams of creatine. 30g 350
WORKOUT
Meal#5 Post workout shake. 40 grams whey protein, 30 grams dextrose, 5 grams creatine, 5 grame L-glutamine. Have as soon as possible after your workout. 40g 450
Meal#6 Post workout meal. 200 grams of chicken or beef, 100 grams of green vegetables, 1 whole baked potato. This meal should be eaten about 1 hour after your workout. 50g 550
Meal#7 Before bed protein shake. 30 grams of whey protein mixed with water. 30g 120
Totals: 280g 3070
 
Regardless of what PCT program you do, like Andrew732 & WilteredFire stated have a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) on hand in case you start seeing any negative side effects beginning to come on.

Personally I would choose to keep tamoxifen citrate (A.K.A NOLVA) on hand rather then TOREM or CLOMID as a SERM for PCT. This is my personal preference for an EPI cycle.

Just my 2 cents,
WB
 
abnxtwo said:
I'm gonna start an Epi cycle this coming monday, should I use a cycle support during and also should I pulse this product. I've heard doing that might be the safer way for a first timers. Also how big a deal is my diet gonna play in this cycle i already eat lean and as much as I can and I go hard in the gym.
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I took cycle support during - epi raised my BP so I was glad I had it...even with it I still noticed very minor and brief headaches from time to time (last less than 10 sec)

I didn't pulse and it was my 1st cycle - 30/30/40/40/50/60

Diet is key in everything whether you are on a cycle or not.
 
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