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I never liked anyone who played games, never will.
What is wrong with having a nice romantic evening and dinner and just tell her how sexy she is to you and how much you want to be with her. You will either get some or not. At least you don't have to put up with games. Guess I'm too old to do that now. Life is too short.
 
I agree completely with what somewhatgifted said. All of it. BUT if she moves things toward a romantic encounter, do this. Take it slow with the pre-game kisses. Very tender, gentle, teasing kisses are the ticket. Touch her face, neck, shoulders, upper arms, but stay away from the usual target zones. Make her wonder if she's working it well. Tease and tease some more with your sweetest kisses. She'll be takin' you down! (And she'll never forget it, either.)

I like how you think!
 
I never liked anyone who played games, never will.
What is wrong with having a nice romantic evening and dinner and just tell her how sexy she is to you and how much you want to be with her. You will either get some or not. At least you don't have to put up with games. Guess I'm too old to do that now. Life is too short.

I think he's being careful b/c she's on guard from the divorce and he's hoping to take it beyond "getting some." I could be wrong, just reading between the lines here.
 
I sincerely hope she'll not be menstruating during your stay in Spain. Might necessitate a Plan B.
 
I think he's being careful b/c she's on guard from the divorce and he's hoping to take it beyond "getting some." I could be wrong, just reading between the lines here.
exactly...let me reiterate my point here. I don't suck at getting chicks, and don't have zero game. This is a random situation here, and it's not necessarily a straight forward way to handle it. Maybe from only reading what's here it might seem like it, but if you were actually in this situation, you'd know.

My plan is to actually tell her how sexy she is etc...once i see her again. Another thing is we first went on this "play date" like 2 months ago. She's a busy chick, so i've seen her twice after that. 2nd time was not an appropriate place, and 3rd was at the wedding where i was like tripping off of Slim Xtreme lol


So as much as i appreciate everyone telling me what moves to put on a girl such as soft touches..licks etc...I got that part covered already lol. You have no idea..

The problem here is much more a mental thing then physical

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I sincerely hope she'll not be menstruating during your stay in Spain. Might necessitate a Plan B.
why you gotta jinx my ****? lol

And really my goal here isn't necessarily to get laid in Spain by her..i can get laid in Spain by a hot Spaniard if i wanted to.
 
why you gotta jinx my ****? lol

And really my goal here isn't necessarily to get laid in Spain by her..i can get laid in Spain by a hot Spaniard if i wanted to.

If so, you may want to just consider going for it anyway since this is a one shot opportunidad. Just tell her not to be so modest; you don't care if she doesn't.
 
If so, you may want to just consider going for it anyway since this is a one shot opportunidad. Just tell her not to be so modest; you don't care if she doesn't.
I will go for it. We've "hooked up" before, granted we were 15 and all we did was make out like 3000 times while playing truth or dare. But the truth or dare game was always between me, my boy (still my best friend to this day), and her... Basically it was an excuse for making out. He ended up hitting it actually i think when we were like 17 somehow.

So there is actually been sexual tension/ physical attraction since the 90's and ****..lol

We also have **** planned already for like a month after our vacation...some food network festival **** in NYC that we had to by tix for. She's well aware probably of my intentions, and we already made plans for after, can't be a bad thing.
 
I will go for it. We've "hooked up" before, granted we were 15 and all we did was make out like 3000 times while playing truth or dare. But the truth or dare game was always between me, my boy (still my best friend to this day), and her... Basically it was an excuse for making out. He ended up hitting it actually i think when we were like 17 somehow.

So there is actually been sexual tension/ physical attraction since the 90's and ****..lol

So much sexual tension that your boy ended up hitting it!!! :pat: Dude, you got to grab the bull by the horns and stop waiting for just the "right moment." Otherwise, there won't be a right moment. That's why your buddy got it and you didn't.

She's basically already let you know on many occasions that she's game. She probably wouldn't be going with you on this vacation if she wasn't. I think you just need to do less, FAR less, planning and poring over the details and be ready to be spontaneous and take action when the time comes.

Seriously, what's the worst thing that could happen? Answer is, she rejects you and you don't get laid. But, that's not likely to happen. Well, unless of course it's that time of the month. Then she'll turn you down without telling you the reason and you'll feel like a loser. But, that's not likely either. I't say its a 95% chance that things will go your way. But, you've got to make that happen.
 
my buddy hit it, bc at the time he had way more game then me..we were 15 lol, cut me some slack. I just moved to the town, and he was like one of 3 friends at the time. She knew him already and one day we were all at his crib and the games began..anyway, again, you had to be there.

I know i have to do less pouring over the details, that's my point. Did you read the whole thread dude? I have an issue with over analyzing **** in general...hence this thread. I pretty much already came to the same conclusion that everyone here did before i even posted it.

Reassurance is always nice...and really my goal was to get an anonymous female to give me input, rather then guys..

I have lot's of hot female friends who i already talked to about it, they all say the same bull****..and it turns out it's the same info i got here.

And if it's that time of the month? "when the river runs red, get some head"

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and if you didn't notice, i'm 30 now...she looks waaaaaaaaaaaaaay hotter...so at the end? I will win..lol . My boy is already telling me to take pics and ****...haha
 
Thanks again for all the tips guys (and girl).

So I got my NP order today with my Renegade in it. So I just used the balm on my neck, and I could tell within a short amount of time that it at least affected me in a pretty interesting and positive way. It actually made me feel like my swagger was up, if that makes sense.

I ran down the street to get a coffee, and i noticed actually other people reacting differently also...all guys in fact. It was interesting.
 
update...wearing renegade. I scheduled an apt with a therapist today, had it scheduled already. Lucky for me she was a real cute girl....right off the bat i was able to talk to her. Guarantee that would have never happened in real life. She kept moving her eyes from mine, to my chest...

I could tell that at any other circumstance, i could have asked her out.
 
update again about the renegade...let me tell you, it works wonders for yourself. That alone actually will make things happen BUT check this out.

So i was bored as hell last night and all my real friends are gone from the area or are married etc. I decide to go it alone. I go to a local bar, which is a new fun place that people frequent thinking i would see friends there. I know i would at least know the hot bartender

Nobody there..i go in anyway, don't know the bartender either. I hear chatter in my ear about "see i had him" i look? ****ing ms. steele the super hot..bitchy highschool teacher we all hated and sweated at the same time.

it was on after that...not only was the conversation awesome, but the touching etc...the fat dude she was with was getting angry the whole time. They played played darts...and i actually suck at darts. But after he won..she was like Kris don't you wanna challenge the winner? So i was sucking the whole time but pretended it was on purpose...she was 3 inches away from me the whole time...standing there with her cougarness

we were playing baseball...on 9..i lucked out so much, that i hit all triple scores and won..and pretended i had that **** planned the whole time..haha..

renegade = hot highschool math teacher

owned...
 
I guess I'm the only one that thinks its a douche move to be kicking game to a married woman?
really? Did you read the thread? But no your not..hence the fact i didn't make a move the first date...lemme break it down for you

Girl: known her since 15 yo
Me: 30
Years: communicated, gave advice, was a friend...albeit sporadic
her: "i knew when i said i do it was the wrong choice"
Me: random good friend..
Now: fair game.

please read **** before passing judgment..thank you
 
really? Did you read the thread? But no your not..hence the fact i didn't make a move the first date...lemme break it down for you

Girl: known her since 15 yo
Me: 30
Years: communicated, gave advice, was a friend...albeit sporadic
her: "i knew when i said i do it was the wrong choice"
Me: random good friend..
Now: fair game.

please read **** before passing judgment..thank you

I did read... "I knew her first" isn't a valid arguement.

She's still married, no? And you went on a date when she was still married?

I know guys juuuust like you. I'm not passing judgement.
 
we didn't go on a date, that's my point. We were friends..i knew the girl. She works in NYC and i moved back from Philly and was now working in NYC. The marriage was rocky from the start, they almost got divorced one other time...it's been official now the 2nd time for 6 months. There is no hard feelings between them...for legal or time reasons, the divorce is just not final until the end of this month "on paper"...the divorce was final mentally a looooong time ago

my intention on that first "date" was just to reconnect etc...i know lots of hot chicks..i almost just banged my old hot math teacher last night. I have no need to steal a mans wife.

And you don't know guys like me...i'd bet my life on that.
 
oh and FYI? she's already asking me if i want to go to Paris in Jan..for her b-day....
 
It's IMO that since we put ourselves in the friend zone, only we can take ourselves out.
well said....funny revalation happend though over the past few days. Not sure i even care anymore if i move out of friend zone. At first i thought it would suck being in Spain for those few days trying to figure out how to get out...i don't care anymore lol

I think that may even be my ticket to making something happen, the fact i DON't really care anymore lol
 
We can sit here all day, theorizing and postulating and it will do absolutely nothing. You have a unique situation, with a unique individual, and therefore will have a unique outcome.

You almost have to use "The Force" - you just have to go with the flow and see how she reacts to the decisions you make. Either you're going to get outta the friend zone, or your not.

Maybe this will help

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Roid basically said it all dude.

You have a chick going to another country with you and sharing a bed with you for 5 days and you're wondering "IF" she "MIGHT" let you hit that? There is no IF in this equation. If you were married to the chick and she said she spent 5 nights in Spain with a male friend you didn't know and shared a bed with him the whole time would you believe for one second in a million years that NOTHING HAPPENED?

Case closed.

You're dreaming man. If you DON'T hit that it's because you've thought & talked yourself into impotency.

Stop talking and start doing.
 
I think he's being careful b/c she's on guard from the divorce and he's hoping to take it beyond "getting some." I could be wrong, just reading between the lines here.

BUT... what if she just wants some lighthearted fun and good sex and isn't all that concerned about the future? out of a messy marriage, getting back into a serious long term relationship probably isn't # 1 on her list.... So theres a risk in trying to treat it too seriously too
 
Hell, just go to her before you go on your trip, drop your pants and tell her this is what you plan on doing in Spain!
I bet she will give you a great preview before you go!
 
I know that's where i f'd it up with this one for sure

For example - I had a date saturday...and we started it off with a gormet cheese and cracker assortment with some wine. We were going to do this outside, but due to the rain we had to move things indoors. So we ended up doing this at my apt. About an hour in I made some joking snide comment about thinking about making a move, but her being an ice queen and blah blah blah. Shortly there after I went in for the kill and she didn't resist :firedevil:

So the lesson here is that I stepped out of my comfort zone, manned up, and made a move. Plus, I had her in my room....didn't need to do much else.

Worse case scenario she won't want it - and if she doesn't....well you are in spain find a hot local girl shouldn't be too hard.
 
yuppp ^^^ this guy knows the game! go in for the kill alot of times even if the girl dosent want it.... and u still go for it she will let u go for it. watch some fothe older jamesbond movies with roger moore and sean connary ull know what i mean
 
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what the heck might as well
 
let me give a little update...i've started taking meds for depression/anxiety as of late....wish i would have been this normal for the wedding i went to her with lol.

My head is remarkably clear now, and looking back over my thread I can see it..

anyway, again thanks for the advice..and I'm going to go for it, no doubt..i mean i really have nothing to lose.

Now my overanalytical self is debating on whether to "go for it" immediately when i see her..or wait for one of those "moments"

either way...much thanks again..

oh..and went for an interview on Wall Street today (i'm in IT fyi)...NAILED it..

Ever see hot Wall Street chicks?



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