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Friend Zone

hamper19

hamper19

The True Warrior is one who conquers oneself
So what's everyones thoughts on getting out of friend zone?

My scenario..

Girl I've known for probably 15 years and we used to mess around when younger..make out..etc nothing major

lost touch over the years, she ended up married. We would talk here and there through email etc.

So we actually start talking a lot recently and before even hanging out decide it would be fun for her and I to go to Spain together, just us etc.

So she asks me to dinner one night for what i thought was a "lets see if we still get along" kind of date since obviously we werent going to randomly go to spain

I look better then i did last she saw me, and let me just say she was super sexy, from head to toe

Date goes real well, and any other date i would have totally sealed the deal at the end. What did i do here? nothing. She wasn't divorced at the time, and i wasnt sure exactly what to do and didnt want to **** it up..i mean theres tons of chicks out there.

She tells me i should have kissed her, we plan a real date. She gets busy with ****ing work and didn't have time for this "real date". Ends up changing her mind and saying she doesn't want to ruin our friendship and shes not even ready to start dating. I mean i get that kind of since she was married for like 8 years and shes actually not going to be technically divorced until the end of Aug.

She actually told me out right "friend zone is very very hard to get out of"

My dumb ass actually was her date to a wedding about a week ago. Unfortunately i was taking Slim Xtreme and decided to go for 2 caps that day. Horrible idea since i had such bad anxiety during the wedding...like really bad. I mean we were talking and I had her laughing, but no interest in flirting with her bc i just couldn't get out of my head.

Strike two.

We are going to Spain in 3 weeks, just us, sharing a room..sharing a bed etc. I actually told her "friend zone or not, i still expect to see you naked in spain" or something to that extent...

Its totally going to suck spending 5 nights sleeping next to this sexy ass chick...i mean i have the game to do it, but from my experience it seems when a chick makes up her mind on this type of thing, it's pretty much a done deal.

Needless to say i just bought the Renegade Phermone stack haha


Anyway, anyone ever get themselves out of friend zone? I'm thinking my chances are good since its not like i was put in this friend zone a year ago and have done nothing since, it's been like a month or so and i saw her twice

h19
 
read the axcite alpha male guide, it has a portion that talks about that i believe, but seriously if you're gonna be in spain with her and sleepin in the same bed... get some drinks in her and work a lil magic... shouldn't be too difficult man
 
Zero V said:
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HAHA...amazing!!!

It seems as if one of two things is going on here:

1. She's just leading you on here and has no real intention of taking things further. Keeping you on a chain like a puppy, that's it.

2. You're going to f*ck eachothers brains out in Spain. Simple as that.

I'll be rooting for the latter for you obviously, keep us updated.
 
Get other hot chicks and make sure she is somehow aware of it. If she really loves then she will let you know shortly after and then you can decide if you want to be with her. Jealousy will make women react quickly ! If the lady is not officially divorced then I'd stay away from her.

It appears as if Spain will be fun time and nothing serious when it comes to relationships. I wouldn't expect anything serious if she says you're just friends.
 
Well normally i would say that once your in the friend zone thats it, but you're still going to Spain. Alcohol, use it. Not to much but enough to take the edge off of both of you. She was married for 8 years, probably 5 or 6 of those were good but the last 2 or 3 sucked. she might not have been laid in a long time, use that if getting laid is what you want. do not tell her you know that but use it to your advantage. women like sex too. as far as being divorced, she's seperated bro, same thing. you're not planning on marrying her right? then don't worry, seperated women date all the time. if you do sleep with her one of two things will happen, you will date or never talk again soon after getting back to the states. be prepared to lose a friendship if you hook up. but if all you want is to get laid, then who cares? your downfall in all this? you have a soft side, that's not all that bad, but you care for her more than most women. your decision, keep the friendship or get laid, possibly date. keep in mind a good women friend can be a better "wing-man" than any man, any day of the week.
 
Wow, long post. Will finish later. But real quick, she's STILL married? Dude, your going to end up in a creek somewhere with your head bashed in!! Be careful.
 
she's still technically married, but they almost got divorced one other time like 2 years back or something. Trust me, i'm not worried about the dude.

The problem is i can be the **** type when it comes to meeting random chicks in bars or wherver when the goal is to just hit it etc...but when it comes to chicks i actually click with enough to be willing to pursue something further, i become the nice guy friend zone bitch.

The thing with her though is we had hooked up a bunch of times, like probably friggin 50 when we were 15 or so..she ended up banging probably my best friend the one day. we talked about it not too long ago and i mentioned i wanted to hit it also back then..(not in those words), but she was like i would have probably ****ed you both...don't get me wrong shes no slut, that dude was her 2nd lay..and i think by then we were 17...she then married i think 2 dudes after that.

SO, i think even if we did bone our brains out for a few days, we could easily go back to just being "friends"..but she's def worth pursuing further.

However, i mean in the past 2 months, i've seen her more and talked to her more then the past 7 or 8 years, so if it went back to not being "close" again..i might be cool with that.

I also told her if anything shes going to be my hot wing woman.....shes just insanely sexy...italian,spanish, puerto rican...hot, smart...successful..independent...I'm going to hit that, and be one of the few out of friend zone..

I'm already laying the ground work......oh and about the make her jealous part, theres chicks that her and i know that would let me hit it in a heart beat, and thanks to facebook, she can tell.....that's another part of my arsenal...

I figure if I don't make a move the first night in spain though, then i lose and should be severly beaten
 
side note..that mario picture is funny as hell....i also have experience in friend zone, and have learned from past mistakes...when i was in HS, i was "best friends" with the cheer leading captain..my young ass mind thought hopefully she will eventually have feelings for me...5 years..it actually ****ed me up...that **** won't happen again...

2 or 3 times after that, but it was different and i actually finally did something but after like a year in friend zone and it ****ed everything up...my game plan is in tact

So anyway..has anyone else ever gotten out of friend zone?


I think AX should give me some Axcite for free...and use the marketing slogan "get's you out of friend zone" after i accomplish my mission
 
hamper19 said:
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it sound like you are good friends and I'm not trying to be a **** or anything but think about what you just said....."independent". she's been married how many times? that does not show independence, it shows the opposite, it shows me someone who can not be alone. those who can not be by themselves for any good length of time, are those who are in the end destined to be. I'm not trying to down your friend, just a observation.
 
she's been married one time...they almost got divorced one other time, but she tried to work it out...who wouldn't when the total length you've been "together" is 10 years+...also, she's 30..so getting married at 22...lets say, you grow up by 30...trust me, the girl is independent

when we went on that first "date"...her first words were..."don't even try paying"

Sure, maybe she hasn't always been "independent"...but trust me she is now. lol.

Shes "the chick" man....if that makes sense
 
also, we're not even really good friends, i have no idea really about her past 10 years...we just click like that...and for me that's rare. Most chicks i find boring..and end up just having a "fun night"..and thats that.
 
hamper19 said:
she's been married one time...they almost got divorced one other time, but she tried to work it out...who wouldn't when the total length you've been "together" is 10 years+...also, she's 30..so getting married at 22...lets say, you grow up by 30...trust me, the girl is independent

when we went on that first "date"...her first words were..."don't even try paying"

Sure, maybe she hasn't always been "independent"...but trust me she is now. lol.

Shes "the chick" man....if that makes sense
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right on brother......i'd go for it, sounds like that's the way you're leaning anyway.
 
I didn't even bother to read the follow up posts here. Not necessary. The problem is that you're putting way too much thought into this and analyzing her situation far too much. Her situation is just that. It is HER business. Pondering and analyzing her personal business isn't going to move your relationship with her to the next level. If you want to take things further and get past the dreaded "good friend" status, you will have to get aggressive and make it happen. Stop focussing on her situation and focus on what you want. If she wants it to go further, it will. But, only you can make it happen. Next time you are out with her, just friggin' kiss her. She shouldn't have to tell you that a week later. Don't be a light weight. Grow a pair for cryin' out loud!

Just my 2ccs.
GICH!
 
haha good point...that's my plan actually to just do it next time i see her...the worst that can happen is she backs off or whatever...and then it's confirmed friend zone...

I have a problem over analyzing **** unfortunately...
 
hamper19 said:
she's been married one time...they almost got divorced one other time, but she tried to work it out...who wouldn't when the total length you've been "together" is 10 years+...also, she's 30..so getting married at 22...lets say, you grow up by 30...trust me, the girl is independent

when we went on that first "date"...her first words were..."don't even try paying"

Sure, maybe she hasn't always been "independent"...but trust me she is now. lol.

Shes "the chick" man....if that makes sense
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This to me sounds like she doesnt want you to think you are in the drivers seat.
She was exerting her dominance over you and saying i say what happens. I think its delusional to try to tell her what you are going to do. Her "independance" is her being hot as fk and knowing she gets what she wants.
This means it isnt up to you and it wont neccessarily matter what you do it wont work unless she decides so. I think your only chance of success with this one is to play it super cool, like you DONT want her. She is probably used to getting EVERYTHING she wants and if she KNOWS she can have you she MAY decide to act on it... or just string you along and 1) ruin your trip 2) flirt with other guys 3) tease but not put out.

I think this "friend zone" is a tool for her to stay dominant over you, if she was horny this would be done deal. If she wanted you already this would be done deal. She is a control freak and she wants it her way so you can run around doing small errands for her and get nothing in return or you can take play it hard to get.

I would ...
1) tell her your going to scout out the locals and see if shes is ok with hanging out by herself for a bit at some point early in the trip. Give her somthing to think about. I mean she will have you in another country... alone... with her... in charge more or less.
2) Talk to her like a friend like "hey that guy is probably your type" (try to be honest) and then say the same about extremely beautiful women that will take away from her position as the "really hot chick".
3) Do not let her control the events, places and paying for things.
4)Look good but play it down, like "im not that worried about looks, im a good person and thats all that matters." This will put more focus on her actions and not allow her to do whatever she wants just cause shes smoking hot.
5)Tell her your single cause you are tired of controlling, flaky, power hungry women. Then put it back on her like "can you imagine dating a hot guy who was a chore to be around? always trying to run your life?"
6) tell her life is short, i just want to eat some awesome food and soak up the beauty in spain. I want to have a great time and i will no matter what happens. This means you are not expecting to get laid, cause if you were, she has the poontang and it puts her in power and makes her dominant over you, not good.

Its doable but to me it sounds like this "independant woman in the friend zone" is someone who IS/WAS interested and you handed over the dominance to her. She has all the poontang and you need to let her know you dont care. Even if you really want it. My 2cents.
 
I think what you said makes a lot of sense.

I actually told her she gets to be my wingwoman in Spain. I also don't plan on only focusing on her or anything, i really do want to eat some awesome food and soak in the surroundings. I already told her that...and what my plans were.

I'm thinking i may actually ask her what you said about scouting out the locals before we get there. I might ask her this week. I know she will just say "yeah that's fine"

I mean she went to Paris with a friend, but her friend couldn't go until a few days after her. She spent a few days there by herself lol. Thats one of the things i dig how she can be like that...sounds like what i would do.

When we were at the wedding, i actually did say things like that about other guys...saying so and so seemed like her type and i'd go hook her up...(she said no)

I also commented on other chicks. So I may actually be playing it right, but overanalyzing it in my head.

She said she wanted to take me shopping..not buy me ****, but just go bc she works in fashion for Tommy Hilfiger. I said sure, but when she gives me a day i'm going to tell her i have plans and that i already got what i needed so we don't really need to go anymore. Make it seem i'm not going to jump at every chance to hang with her..
 
I agree completely with what somewhatgifted said. All of it. BUT if she moves things toward a romantic encounter, do this. Take it slow with the pre-game kisses. Very tender, gentle, teasing kisses are the ticket. Touch her face, neck, shoulders, upper arms, but stay away from the usual target zones. Make her wonder if she's working it well. Tease and tease some more with your sweetest kisses. She'll be takin' you down! (And she'll never forget it, either.)
 
hamper19 said:
I think what you said makes a lot of sense.

I actually told her she gets to be my wingwoman in Spain. I also don't plan on only focusing on her or anything, i really do want to eat some awesome food and soak in the surroundings. I already told her that...and what my plans were.

I'm thinking i may actually ask her what you said about scouting out the locals before we get there. I might ask her this week. I know she will just say "yeah that's fine"

I mean she went to Paris with a friend, but her friend couldn't go until a few days after her. She spent a few days there by herself lol. Thats one of the things i dig how she can be like that...sounds like what i would do.

When we were at the wedding, i actually did say things like that about other guys...saying so and so seemed like her type and i'd go hook her up...(she said no)

I also commented on other chicks. So I may actually be playing it right, but overanalyzing it in my head.

She said she wanted to take me shopping..not buy me ****, but just go bc she works in fashion for Tommy Hilfiger. I said sure, but when she gives me a day i'm going to tell her i have plans and that i already got what i needed so we don't really need to go anymore. Make it seem i'm not going to jump at every chance to hang with her..
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Be careful that you dont come across as "playing games" i wouldnt tell her too much inadvacne since it seems like you are unsure about where you stand with her. Try to be spontaneous and keep my advice in your mind as a perspective. You are a intelligent, independant attractive (no homo) man who doesnt need some super hot, controlling arm candy.

If you make too much of a plan then you will act awkward and insecure not knowing how it will play out.
However if you have a healthy perspective and some strong morals, self respect, confidence and genuinely try to make it a great trip no matter what... then you CANNOT fail one way or another.

There is something about a beautiful women that stops us in our tracks but remember she is a human being and no greater than you. I would refrain giving her a compliment unless she gives you one first and even at that i would just smile and thank her.

I would also (i always do) be extremely kind to the people on your trip, starting conversations where permitting and getting to know peoples names (once again i do this everyday).
This way you truly do soak up this trip, have fun and really put the focus on human values and away from "hey you look good and i want you".
This will set a precedence, a focal point for the trip and i would always try to think something nice about people.
When she realises how sincere you are she will atleast respect you if not want you for more than your looks and body.
 
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I agree completely with what somewhatgifted said. All of it. BUT if she moves things toward a romantic encounter, do this. Take it slow with the pre-game kisses. Very tender, gentle, teasing kisses are the ticket. Touch her face, neck, shoulders, upper arms, but stay away from the usual target zones. Make her wonder if she's working it well. Tease and tease some more with your sweetest kisses. She'll be takin' you down! (And she'll never forget it, either.)
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Thanks Keeper....i actually pretty much always am like what you said lol. I normally have "skills" and such. I'm pretty good with the touching and the whole "taking me down" results

For some reason i just can't seem to get it together with this one haha, normally it would have already been a done deal

So you think i should ask her if she minds spending some time alone so i can scout the locals?
 
your a smart guy somewhatgifted lol....maybe i'll tell her on the plane ride there,

I kind of know where i stand, she basically told me we're not going to date bc i'm a good friend, and shes not ready. The challenge is what really makes me want to change that. I'm a sucker for a girl that's a challenge.

Good point about the playing games thing...

I also did plan on meeting people while there chicks of course, and guys...just to get to know people and possibly get to do some stuff with locals.
 
keeper said:
I agree completely with what somewhatgifted said. All of it. BUT if she moves things toward a romantic encounter, do this. Take it slow with the pre-game kisses. Very tender, gentle, teasing kisses are the ticket. Touch her face, neck, shoulders, upper arms, but stay away from the usual target zones. Make her wonder if she's working it well. Tease and tease some more with your sweetest kisses. She'll be takin' you down! (And she'll never forget it, either.)
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Genius, your ahead of me. lol.

I also think the best places to pay attention to are the not so directly sexual areas like the neck, lower legs (if laying down or sitting), feet, ears, fingers and lower back.
If she was a pool i would be dipping my toes in instead of jumping right in.
Dont take that too literally.

I think a women of her stature will become curious if a man can actually resist her and she is going to test you. Do not over commit. She is not a insecure woman who is afraid to kiss you and then when you kiss she unleashes her sexual fury.
She is very secure and likely wanting to know how you have resisted her and when you show your true interest she will be like " aha i knew i had him" and likely it will cool off.

I bet her husband was a smaller guy, intelligent but not needy. He was prpbably one of the only guys who didnt go nuts over her and thats why she stayed interested it him. We always want what we dont have, well most people do.
 
on a side note keeper, i assume thats you in your pic? She's got a similar body and is also 5'4...that's SO not fair to have that laying in a bed next to you for 5 nights ;)
 
supposedly her husband is "very good looking" as she put it lol

Like i said, i do know how to handle myself as for how to make a girl get all "hot and bothered" so to speak...I'm actually a big neck/shoulders/collar bone area guy lol

THanks for all the input so far everyone

h19
 
hamper19 said:
your a smart guy somewhatgifted lol....maybe i'll tell her on the plane ride there,

I kind of know where i stand, she basically told me we're not going to date bc i'm a good friend, and shes not ready. The challenge is what really makes me want to change that. I'm a sucker for a girl that's a challenge.

Good point about the playing games thing...

I also did plan on meeting people while there chicks of course, and guys...just to get to know people and possibly get to do some stuff with locals.
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Thanks for the compliment. Remember this is not a race, take it slow, you are chompin at the bit and moving too fast IMO. It doesnt matter what she has said, it only matters how you react to it.

The idea about "scouting the locals" was an idea designed to get separation once you are there and she is in the drivers seat. Dont plan so much in advance with her since it ruins the reason for doing it. Her likely response, from a position of power, is going to be "i dont care" or "do whatever you want" see this is you asking for permission or telling her in advance so she has advance notice!! you are still giving away power to her. This is like a kid asking for permisson from his mom.
You need to be telling her, in a polite way that she is not incharge of you.
Once again keep the attitude in mind, not neccesarily the exact situation.
Confidence bro confidence and self respect.
You need to be a touch c*cky with her but not in a physical sense.
 
hamper19 said:
supposedly her husband is "very good looking" as she put it lol

Like i said, i do know how to handle myself as for how to make a girl get all "hot and bothered" so to speak...I'm actually a big neck/shoulders/collar bone area guy lol

THanks for all the input so far everyone

h19
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Well once again, this statement takes the value away from you. He may be handsome but her telling you that way she has is a strong indication she is trying to "cut your balls off" so to speak.

When you want to get the most out of a deal you dont say "hey this is awesome i really need this" or "wow this is a great deal". Instead you play hardball... "uhh i dont need that" or "my ex was handsome", " how about we are just friends". " do whatever you want". Catch my drift.
 
hamper19 said:
Thanks Keeper....i actually pretty much always am like what you said lol. I normally have "skills" and such. I'm pretty good with the touching and the whole "taking me down" results

For some reason i just can't seem to get it together with this one haha, normally it would have already been a done deal

So you think i should ask her if she minds spending some time alone so i can scout the locals?
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I'm not sure I'd use that exact term, but yes. I think it's good to be somewhat aloof. She knows you're into her. She likes it. If she perceives that some one might take your attention off her, it may give her a bit of an "oh, *ahem* crap" revelation. I'd ask her how she feels about going out separately, so as not to give the impression you are a couple. Follow that by telling her that you'd thought about kind of checking things out on your own.

Good luck.
 
yeah i knew she told me for a reason... I swear i'm not that naive lol, i mean i can see what she has been doing...my problem seems to be reacting to it correctly.

I think you are right and i am getting sucked into her shenanigans lol
 
That's a good point keeper "she knows your into her. She likes it"

I mean obviously she knows i'm into her, and i think normally when you end up in "friend zone", its more along the lines of you were already in friends zone, bc there was no up front indication that one was interested in the other.

From my experience of being in friend zone, i fessed up so to speak once and things got really weird after that. I actually don't even talk to that chick anymore.

For it to not be weird in this situation after she knows i'm into her i guess is a good sign.
 
hamper19 said:
on a side note keeper, i assume thats you in your pic? She's got a similar body and is also 5'4...that's SO not fair to have that laying in a bed next to you for 5 nights ;)
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It's me, and I thank you very much for what seems like a compliment!

And OH, yes, let me second that suggestion about the lower legs and especially the lower back. All exposed skin, but do not even go near the normal erogenous zones. It will drive her insane, trust me.
 
keeper said:
It's me, and I thank you very much for what seems like a compliment!

And OH, yes, let me second that suggestion about the lower legs and especially the lower back. All exposed skin, but do not even go near the normal erogenous zones. It will drive her insane, trust me.
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Yes it was a compliment lol. So thats probably a good sign that even though she's said the term "friend zone"...but that she knows i am into her and she likes it...and things aren't weird between us right?
 
hamper19 said:
Yes it was a compliment lol. So thats probably a good sign that even though she's said the term "friend zone"...but that she knows i am into her and she likes it...and things aren't weird between us right?
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Oh, yes. You can tell when a woman is attracted. If you've picked up on that from her, just take it easy. Follow somewhatgifted's outline. It sounds like this woman is worth some extra trouble. Take your time.
 
The heart is blind. It is actually like a maimed little deaf person that is blind, and mute as well.

It cant listen, it cant see, and it can never quite speak its thoughts.
 
keeper said:
Oh, yes. You can tell when a woman is attracted. If you've picked up on that from her, just take it easy. Follow somewhatgifted's outline. It sounds like this woman is worth some extra trouble. Take your time.
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I picked up on it the first night we went out...unfortunately didn't act on it.

She confirmed my suspicion after asking me if i was afraid to make the first move..I asked no why..then she proceeded to tell me how she wanted me to kiss her lol.

now supposedly friend zone lol. I'm thinking it could actually be a good thing I didn't do anything that day. I mean that was like 2 months ago..we could have had this Spain trip planned, and **** could have gone sour before that.
 
hamper19 said:
I picked up on it the first night we went out...unfortunately didn't act on it.

She confirmed my suspicion after asking me if i was afraid to make the first move..I asked no why..then she proceeded to tell me how she wanted me to kiss her lol.

now supposedly friend zone lol. I'm thinking it could actually be a good thing I didn't do anything that day. I mean that was like 2 months ago..we could have had this Spain trip planned, and **** could have gone sour before that.
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This was a test.

Ok Get it out of your head, she does like you. And even on the far off chance that she doesnt... it will not make anything better to act from this.

She, as i alluded to earlier, is barganing with you right now. If you jump at her advacnces you are selling yourself short.
Notice that when you did not act she told you she wanted to kiss you!
Then afterwards when you turn it up a bit she goes cold.
I would cool it right off and just think about enjoying your trip with a smokin hot lady and you should be teasing her like keeper said.
 
Hey, I have another suggestion. Any given evening tell her that you have a treat for her after dinner. Run her bath water, then give her privacy. Tell her to relax and take her time. A few candles around the tub would be nice. After she's bathed, and emerges from the bathroom, tell her to have a seat. You will then take some massage oil or lotion and give her a hand massage, paying special attention to her palms, and rubbing up onto her forearms. Take your time. Pamper her. She will make a move, I can almost promise.

Shopping list before leaving the states:
small candles
bath salts (not bubble bath)
massage oil or lotion
 
keeper said:
Hey, I have another suggestion. Any given evening tell her that you have a treat for her after dinner. Run her bath water, then give her privacy. Tell her to relax and take her time. A few candles around the tub would be nice. After she's bathed, and emerges from the bathroom, tell her to have a seat. You will then take some massage oil or lotion and give her a hand massage, paying special attention to her palms, and rubbing up onto her forearms. Take your time. Pamper her. She will make a move, I can almost promise.

Shopping list before leaving the states:
small candles
bath salts (not bubble bath)
massage oil or lotion
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haha i actually already have that shopping list, and a similar plan.

I got this picnic bag kind of thing, that has plates and all that **** in it

I contacted a bunch of places in Spain and have a whole day planned for us. I'm renting a car and have set up a private/VIP vineyard tour in the wine country area. It's a 2 hour thing where we get a private guide..private tasting, get to visit certain areas that most don't get to visit.

Luckily for me i'm actually a really good cook and food/eating is one of my passions. So as for that picnic basket thing, i was going to go to the market around there and get some local items to pack up. After the wine tour my "journey" is going to take us to the area called Sitges which is a really nice beachfront town...that's when we hit the beach and the bag comes out. Luckily we'll have some nice bottles of wine from the tour to have also. Our hotel is basically a 5 star "boutique" place, so i was going to see if i could get them to actually have the whole bath thing set up for me when i got back...

She's a big dessert person so I was going to have them put 2 bottles of wine in the room along with a tray with a bunch of desserts on it. While she's having some that's when i make the move to run the bath water

It's a really nice bathroom with a large tub..it's like all granite/slate or some ****. My plan was actually for us both to be in it, but your plan could work too

The funny thing is while we were planning the trip, i was like yeah it has to have a nice bathroom...one of my checklist items was to take a bath in spain lol (i was really kidding)...shes like wait, am i in it?

The thing is though, i'm wondering if i should actually go through with this plan..i mean its kind of a thing you would do for a gf....then again she is a friend who's gone throuh a divorce, so she does deserve a nice day like that either way
 
ok NOT bubblebath...that tip helped lol..what kind of scent? There will already be the scent of Renegade soap in there ;)
 
I vote yes. Go for it. But don't include yourself in the bath unless she invites you, which she may. If not, she has a hand massage waiting. That will be her break down. If she wants you, she will take it to the next level. If not, you're just giving her some special pampering. Nothing comes across as "assumed" on your part.
 
lucky for me while i was a personal trainer back in the day my boss was the massage manager also and I learned a lot of techniques lol
 
ok i was thinking lavender since it's like a relaxing scent...what do you think?
 
Lavender would be nice. My personal fav is at Bath and Bodyworks. It's a scent called Cherry Blossom. It is heavenly. You could get the bath salts, a bath gel, the candles and lotion all in the same fragrance for under $25. It will impress her.
 
thats a good idea...the thing is though, i mean i know that would impress most chicks as i've done things like that before..

But for some reason i get the impression she wouldn't be into it....maybe i'm wrong, i'll do it anyway
 
hamper19 said:
thats a good idea...the thing is though, i mean i know that would impress most chicks as i've done things like that before..

But for some reason i get the impression she wouldn't be into it....maybe i'm wrong, i'll do it anyway
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I'd go to Invalid Link Removed, seek out Love Dr. and see what he thinks. Hahha, been goin to that site for yrs. now. IT HAS HELPED ME OUT SO DAMN MUCH WITH THE LADIES. Sorry ladies, there's no askwomen.com.
 
funny thing is i actually already went there and posted on the message boards...mostly the responses were dumb..guys calling me an idiot acting like they are the **** etc

I don't have a problem with chicks in general, just this particular one threw me through a loop....they didn't seem to believe me, probably a bunch of youngins
 
I wonder if it means anything that we actually have something else already planned for, the following month after we're back already from Spain...
 
hamper19 said:
funny thing is i actually already went there and posted on the message boards...mostly the responses were dumb..guys calling me an idiot acting like they are the **** etc

I don't have a problem with chicks in general, just this particular one threw me through a loop....they didn't seem to believe me, probably a bunch of youngins
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Yah I never frequent those boards; same thing happend to me. BUT the articles, etc are GREAT info.
 
Yeah they are good info...so is Mens Health magazine. Been reading that for years and have perfected a lot of their tips for chick related things
 
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