CLENVISCERATE the god of fat loss

dsade said:
no...showering will not remove the deep layers of fat cells where the clen ends up - it removes around a .5mm layer of dead skin, that is all.

Exfoliating removes the barrier of dead skin which hinders absorption - once the compounds are absorbed, they can't be "rubbed off".
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Makes perfect sense.

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EDIT: I gotta another dumb question for ya. Applying CLENV to my chest. If I apply 1ml of E with 40mcg of clen to each lower pec area, would that actually be 80mcg of clen being absorbed? Why I ask this question, I don't know.
 
WheyGood said:
I have been following this thread with great interest. Kudos to IRONPOPE, dsade, and others who have contributed. Cutting Edge stuff indeed.

Regarding nicotine gum, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the eClen mixture being a localized topical fat-burning approach? How about adding some liquid nicotine to another transdermal (hopefully local, not systematic) carrier ... what about a little bit of DMSO or even 100% Emu Oil?

I mention Emu Oil because I have used some "home-brew" transdermal mixtures where the powder must've been partly out of solution and there was a slight "grittiness" when applying the mixture, and then I would put a small dab of 100% emu oil in my palm and rub in on the application area and the grittiness would dissolve away. I think I did this with a Napalm home brew. Not sure if that was a dumbass thing to do or not.
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I haven't gotten clear answers on adding nicotine to the mix topically.
one problem is where can you get liquid nicotine? The nasal Nicotine spray was my first thought... but i keep hearing it will overload there transdermal factor of Eviscerate ...only so many things can pass through a gate at the same time. However, nicotine's molecular wieght is very small at 162. It would be able to pass the dermal layer with no problem.

I chose to just add the nicotine gum because it is potent when cutting and a low cal diet. The studies i have looked at show its power is impressive. I would have to think marketing nicotine gum/patch/sprays for fat loss would be illegal. People would be fearful of addiction as well.... which is rarely documented with nicotine gums because of the slow absorbtion rate.

If localized , effective transdermal action can be obtained with nicotine... We may have found the holy grail of cutting.
 
Beast posted a link near the top of page 13 of this thread regarding liquid nicotine.

Comes in three strengths of nicotine. IP, maybe you could look at the strength level on the gum package and compare it to these on the site. If the strength levels are equivalent or more or less similar, you could get a bottle and continue to be the test rat? :paranoid:

On a second note, I've taken the advise of others and stopped using clen for 2 days since I had been on it a couple days and wasn't experiencing any of the issues others were having at increased dosages. Today is an "on" day so I will continue my experimentation level and start with 80 mcgs (since 100 did squat the other day). Now the part I'm happy/skeptical about is the weight change. I'm down almost 2 pounds since last week. I won't bore people with details, but thats a big deal for my slow ass metabolism. Since March I've averaged 5-6 pounds of loss every 8 weeks. End of 8th week I take a week off from the gym. Give my body a break and then pick back up again. I'm 39 so I don't recover as quick with the weight training and all the spinning I do. I took somones advise and ate kinda like a normal person (without over eating) to shake my body up further. I put about a 1-2 pounds on that week off. I'm only 3 full weeks into my next 8 weeks and I'm down 5 pounds. Lopped off the weight I put on and sliced off a sliver to boot. That's pretty significant for me. Is it clenviserate related? Not sure, but damn if I'm not flipping happy right now. Add to that I'm in a weight zone I have always had trouble getting into in the past and I'm even more excited to put this stuff to the test. :mischievous:
 
i was looking at nicotine forums about pure nicotine and it would seem that topical nicotine can kill you.......

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''Be aware that pure nicotine is DEADLY poison. It can and will kill you in relatively small quantities. It's not to be trifled with. If you don't have experience handling extremely toxic materials, you shouldn't even be considering handing pure nicotine. Not only would it be a horrible shame if you (or anyone else here) killed themselves by getting a drop of pure nicotine in their systems (yes, a single small drop of high concentration nicotine can and will kill you), but it would set our cause back dramatically.''


i had no idea they actually had people this addicted to nicotine..........crackheads.
 
''Well, It sometimes makes my heart race when I get it on my hands and don't wash. (LEt that be a lesson kids, you spill E-jiuce in your hands, wash it the heck off.)''
 
soontobbeast said:
great thread discussing nicotine and effects on fat loss.

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i have read that thread b4..... good thread...

the trick with nicotine you have to diet to see its cutting effects...if will make your body think 1000 calories is 2000.
 
TheEigthDwarf said:
Beast posted a link near the top of page 13 of this thread regarding liquid nicotine.

Comes in three strengths of nicotine. IP, maybe you could look at the strength level on the gum package and compare it to these on the site. If the strength levels are equivalent or more or less similar, you could get a bottle and continue to be the test rat? :paranoid:

On a second note, I've taken the advise of others and stopped using clen for 2 days since I had been on it a couple days and wasn't experiencing any of the issues others were having at increased dosages. Today is an "on" day so I will continue my experimentation level and start with 80 mcgs (since 100 did squat the other day). Now the part I'm happy/skeptical about is the weight change. I'm down almost 2 pounds since last week. I won't bore people with details, but thats a big deal for my slow ass metabolism. Since March I've averaged 5-6 pounds of loss every 8 weeks. End of 8th week I take a week off from the gym. Give my body a break and then pick back up again. I'm 39 so I don't recover as quick with the weight training and all the spinning I do. I took somones advise and ate kinda like a normal person (without over eating) to shake my body up further. I put about a 1-2 pounds on that week off. I'm only 3 full weeks into my next 8 weeks and I'm down 5 pounds. Lopped off the weight I put on and sliced off a sliver to boot. That's pretty significant for me. Is it clenviserate related? Not sure, but damn if I'm not flipping happy right now. Add to that I'm in a weight zone I have always had trouble getting into in the past and I'm even more excited to put this stuff to the test. :mischievous:
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i keep telling everyone ... we on to something. congrats... i know its time to buy new pants for me and new belts.... i am happy too
 
Thanks IP. I'm really fired up about this stuff. I'm going to measure my fat, bloated, 12 sandwich eating gullet for a measurement so that I can go back to see if any of the weight coming off is from there. I need something a little more tangible to look at in terms of data instead of stupid scale. I normally don't use it, but I do like to check in on it every couple weeks for ****s and giggles.
 
lonewolf0420 said:
Are you cycling off for two days because your running extended usage?
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i run 2 on 2 off myself.... no trials or studies showing why your should... but thats how most oral cycles of CLEN are run.... seems logical to run it the same topically.
 
I'm doing two on, two off based off of IP's and other's feedback. I went M-Thursday last week with increased dosages and not once experienced this ghastly burning of the midsection. I did get some burning, even at 100 mcg's of clen, but its really nothing to me. My overall body temp heats up more and causes me more discomfort than the burning mid section. Maybe I oversaturated myself that quick, don't know. Did 80 mcg's yesterday and had the AC on all day, despite it being only 70 degrees here in the northeast. Did 100 mcgs this morning and feeling warm is an understatement. One more dose this afternoon and then I'll cycle off tom. and Wed.
 
TheEigthDwarf said:
I'm doing two on, two off based off of IP's and other's feedback. I went M-Thursday last week with increased dosages and not once experienced this ghastly burning of the midsection. I did get some burning, even at 100 mcg's of clen, but its really nothing to me. My overall body temp heats up more and causes me more discomfort than the burning mid section. Maybe I oversaturated myself that quick, don't know. Did 80 mcg's yesterday and had the AC on all day, despite it being only 70 degrees here in the northeast. Did 100 mcgs this morning and feeling warm is an understatement. One more dose this afternoon and then I'll cycle off tom. and Wed.
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The direct burn is more of a side effect and in no way has any bearing as an indicator of effectiveness.
 
Dsade that's good to know. I was starting to think maybe I burnt my receptors out so quickly with elevated doses. Hence the two on, two off. Personally I'd like to go back to everyday.
 
so i did the clenvis today. was on fire for around 4 hours, then it went away. then around 3am started feeling like it was systemic. maybe i was just nervous or anxious, but it felt like my nerves were jacked. i think i did around 50mcg around 9am. didnt do a second serving. im actually kinda scared to do this again lol.

maybe ill do like 20mcg but wont it build up in my system? should i wait a day to get it out if it possibly went systemic?
 
soontobbeast said:
so i did the clenvis today. was on fire for around 4 hours, then it went away. then around 3am started feeling like it was systemic. maybe i was just nervous or anxious, but it felt like my nerves were jacked. i think i did around 50mcg around 9am. didnt do a second serving. im actually kinda scared to do this again lol.

maybe ill do like 20mcg but wont it build up in my system? should i wait a day to get it out if it possibly went systemic?
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Sounds like your body had a slight reaction to something new. You should be fine after a few days on it...
 
I have been doing 60mcg twice a day, broken down into 20mcg in upper abs, 20 mcg lower abs, and 10 mcg on each oblique.
 
Man I think it is pretty obvious that this whole thread is about liquid clen. So yeah, clen is talking about liquid clen. If you read all 15 pages, and read them again, and then read them again, you will gain a lot of understanding. I have read the whole thing several times.
 
So yesterday afternoon I did my second dose of 100 mcg clen with evis and felt fine. The application was about 2hrs prior to working out and 4 hrs post app. when I was done working out. Funny thing is, shortly after stopping on the spinning bike (after 50 min) my stomach was radiating so much heat (not so much pain, but the pain felt like heat) that I thought I could melt rubber. Was even more pronounced sitting in my car on the ride home. Was commenting to a friend about it on the phone who's interested in this whole experiment.

Today was an off day of clen and yet overall body temp was high and I got that same melt rubber feeling on my gullet. Were some people only experiencing the burn with clen or either or? I really don't care, I just thought it was Really weird that I experienced the exact same feeling minus the clen today.
 
soontobbeast said:
so i did the clenvis today. was on fire for around 4 hours, then it went away. then around 3am started feeling like it was systemic. maybe i was just nervous or anxious, but it felt like my nerves were jacked. i think i did around 50mcg around 9am. didnt do a second serving. im actually kinda scared to do this again lol.

maybe ill do like 20mcg but wont it build up in my system? should i wait a day to get it out if it possibly went systemic?
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Clen has a 36 hour half-life. Even IF the carrier took it systemic, the highest theoretical analysis of absorption rate is around 35% - which means 50mcg, if it HAD gone 100% systemic, would have only gotten around 17.5mcg into your bloodstream.

I have extensive experience with oral clen, and I can tell you that I get zero systemic side effects, even from higher range multiple dosings over several weeks.

I would say you might be creating a slight hysterical reaction in your own mind.
 
TheEigthDwarf said:
So yesterday afternoon I did my second dose of 100 mcg clen with evis and felt fine. The application was about 2hrs prior to working out and 4 hrs post app. when I was done working out. Funny thing is, shortly after stopping on the spinning bike (after 50 min) my stomach was radiating so much heat (not so much pain, but the pain felt like heat) that I thought I could melt rubber. Was even more pronounced sitting in my car on the ride home. Was commenting to a friend about it on the phone who's interested in this whole experiment.

Today was an off day of clen and yet overall body temp was high and I got that same melt rubber feeling on my gullet. Were some people only experiencing the burn with clen or either or? I really don't care, I just thought it was Really weird that I experienced the exact same feeling minus the clen today.
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Dsade posted what I did.
 
dsade said:
Clen has a 36 hour half-life. Even IF the carrier took it systemic, the highest theoretical analysis of absorption rate is around 35% - which means 50mcg, if it HAD gone 100% systemic, would have only gotten around 17.5mcg into your bloodstream.

I have extensive experience with oral clen, and I can tell you that I get zero systemic side effects, even from higher range multiple dosings over several weeks.

I would say you might be creating a slight hysterical reaction in your own mind.
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If you dont mind, can you define "high range". Just curious
 
jrw said:
If you dont mind, can you define "high range". Just curious
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I did around a 120mcg application, twice a day.

We also ended up adding a full 45ml (4500mcg) to a half-full bottle of eviscerate and have been using it for 2 weeks.
 
dsade said:
I did around a 120mcg application, twice a day.

We also ended up adding a full 45ml (4500mcg) to a half-full bottle of eviscerate and have been using it for 2 weeks.
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You run the oral at the same time as the Clenviscerate? If you did, I am sure you got ridiculous results. BTW was the 120mcg tablet or liquid?
 
jrw said:
You run the oral at the same time as the Clenviscerate? If you did, I am sure you got ridiculous results. BTW was the 120mcg tablet or liquid?
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No...we were adding Clen to palm technique first, but I go tired of it so added the bottle of clen to the E.

Christine runs oral as well, but I do not like the side effects so I don't. I get ZERO side effects in the topical that would indicate systemic absorption.
 
TheEigthDwarf said:
dsade on that dosage, what kind of results were you seeing? Were you on anything else during that?
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Recall that i am lean-bulking and keeping quite lean.

I have posted my whole regimen - let me find it.
 
dsade said:
No...we were adding Clen to palm technique first, but I go tired of it so added the bottle of clen to the E.

Christine runs oral as well, but I do not like the side effects so I don't. I get ZERO side effects in the topical that would indicate systemic absorption.
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I run it orally as well as topically in the Eviscerate. I have a 6 pack of abs and have not had the best diet lately. We were prepping for the Olympia but now that we are no longer going diet lapsed. However just for the fun of it I plan to go back on.
 
so liquid clen we can apply directly to areas we want to rid fat, whereas the tabs are for overall weightloss? Also how well do you guys think clen tabs and eviscerate work? Thanks!
 
Has anyone developed a rash from Eviscerate? I started developing a rash on my abdomen late last week. I originally thought it was razor burn, because I had trimmed the area to increase subcutaneous absorption. The rash returned as soon as I started using the ClenV again.
 
Nope. No rash. Just some serious heat radiating off of myself. Interesting feeling having your midsection radiating so much heat you think you could melt rubber just by proximity.
 
Silkkk said:
so liquid clen we can apply directly to areas we want to rid fat, whereas the tabs are for overall weightloss? Also how well do you guys think clen tabs and eviscerate work? Thanks!
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Yes, it is targeted fat loss vs. overall fat loss.

Clen would go systemic, so you would have to deal with whatever sides if you took it orally. It would work and Eviscerate would help in local areas, some people take clen orally and use it at the same time with Eviscerate locally and have had fabulous results. All depend on your system and if you want to or can handle the clen systemic sides from oral use.
 
Logo said:
Has anyone developed a rash from Eviscerate? I started developing a rash on my abdomen late last week. I originally thought it was razor burn, because I had trimmed the area to increase subcutaneous absorption. The rash returned as soon as I started using the ClenV again.
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I was getting redness at the waistline that looked like a rash, its gone now though, my wife said ever since i started using the eviscerate that I stink. Ive been using it for 5 days now and Ive lost an inch measured at the belly button. I havent used it with liquid clen because its too expensive when you dont have a reliable source. Ive been using a mild exfoliant on the ab area every shower. It burns while showering even though the rest of the body tolerates the water. Ive never had a 6pack before so Im really hoping this will deliver.
 
Is one pump of Eviscerate about the size of a quarter in your hand? I am used to Napalm that is probably double the amount per pump.

I dosed about 40mcg of Clen spread out over two pumps of Eviscerate and have not felt the slightest bit of heat that I keep reading about in this thread.

Thoughts? Many thanks.
 
aquanutz said:
Is one pump of Eviscerate about the size of a quarter in your hand? I am used to Napalm that is probably double the amount per pump.

I dosed about 40mcg of Clen spread out over two pumps of Eviscerate and have not felt the slightest bit of heat that I keep reading about in this thread.

Thoughts? Many thanks.
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The new pumps? yes - 1 pump is about quarter-sized.
 
I believe I am retaining water on clen. My abs arent showing nearly as well, I can tell where they are trying to show but are covered by water. My diet is pretty good, probably 1500 cals with a 50-30-20 ratio of protein-carbs-fat. So its pretty solid, and yet still puffy, so I must be holding water.
 
It's funny, I don't think I'm holding any water. Matter of fact, I've found I've had to goto the bathroom a little more often since using this combo. But unlike you, I'm still a fat, bloated, 12 sandwich eating POS.
 
Yeah I am not really taking in that many carbs, especially bad carbs, to be holding excess water. I can usually see and feel the definition of at least the top 4 abs, but while on clen, like last night, I was definitely retaining water.

Having said that, since I have started clenviscerate, I have to wake up every night to take a leak. It started when I started this combo. I never got up to use the bathroom until I started clenviscerate, but now its like if I dont get up my bladder will bust, its not one of those urges to go that can be ignored is what I am saying. Every night too, like clockwork.
 
I def. noticed a couple late night wake ups to got to the bathroom too while on this.

On a side note, I'm starting to suspect that any heat related feeling (for me anyways) is outside temp related. Here in the North East its unusually cool for this time of year. Yet yesterday on a clenless day I hardly felt anything while the day prior (still clenless) it was hot and muggy out and my stomach had enough heat radiating off it to melt steel. Today is cool and I've got a healthy dose of evis and 120 mcgs of clen slapped on and I don't feel a thing. Even my normal body temp is normal while on warmer days even in AC'd environments I'm hot as blazes.
 
TheEigthDwarf said:
I def. noticed a couple late night wake ups to got to the bathroom too while on this.

On a side note, I'm starting to suspect that any heat related feeling (for me anyways) is outside temp related. Here in the North East its unusually cool for this time of year. Yet yesterday on a clenless day I hardly felt anything while the day prior (still clenless) it was hot and muggy out and my stomach had enough heat radiating off it to melt steel. Today is cool and I've got a healthy dose of evis and 120 mcgs of clen slapped on and I don't feel a thing. Even my normal body temp is normal while on warmer days even in AC'd environments I'm hot as blazes.
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yes its cool here in PHILLY today.. and i dont feel it..that much... when its hot and i am out in the heat walking somewhere.. i am cooking
 
Yo IP, That's exactly what's going on. Boston is only 67 degrees out. I'm like dum-de-dum, oh I have something on? Glad its not just me then.
 
TheEigthDwarf said:
I def. noticed a couple late night wake ups to got to the bathroom too while on this.

On a side note, I'm starting to suspect that any heat related feeling (for me anyways) is outside temp related. Here in the North East its unusually cool for this time of year. Yet yesterday on a clenless day I hardly felt anything while the day prior (still clenless) it was hot and muggy out and my stomach had enough heat radiating off it to melt steel. Today is cool and I've got a healthy dose of evis and 120 mcgs of clen slapped on and I don't feel a thing. Even my normal body temp is normal while on warmer days even in AC'd environments I'm hot as blazes.
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This is not surprising...sweat is your body's primary method of cooling itself. Sweat contains salt and other conductive electrolytes - which would theoretically increase nerve sensation. It would make the burning sensation more pronounced.
 
dsade said:
This is not surprising...sweat is your body's primary method of cooling itself. Sweat contains salt and other conductive electrolytes - which would theoretically increase nerve sensation. It would make the burning sensation more pronounced.
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this is something i noticed with napalm as well
 
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