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Relatively safe ph for older guy

jdent

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I am 55 years old, have worked out consistently for over 40 years now, and currently researching for a PH which is realatively safe, if there is such a thing, for a guy my age. I'm not that interested in gaining more than 3-4lbs., just chiseling up what I have.

Stats
weight: 180
Height: 5'7"
Body Fat: Between 10 and 12%

I presently train with weights 4 to 5 days a week and bike 20 to 30 miles twice a week. Took up biking because of back injuries resulting from years of heavy squats.

11-oxo sounds intrigueing, were it not for possible androgenic side effects, eg. hair loss, prostate enlargement.

The 19 Nor PHs, Decavol, in particular, advertise as being safer for older guys. I did a brief cycle of the injectable, Decadurabolin, in the early 80's with good results, but know Decavol is not the same stuff.

Did a 1 month cycle of Haladrol three years ago, of which I still have 1 unopened bottle. Experienced no side effects but gained 10 to 12 pounds, which I do not want now (it would slow me down on my bike...joke).

I've tried many natural test boosters and had good results from tribulus, as far as sex drive, but not much in the way of bodybuilding effects or strenght gains.

Thanks for any input
 
your gains on cycle are really from diet/weights/cardio. if you don't want that 10 pound gain, up the cardio a bit, and cut down on diet.

hdrol/epi are considered easier cycles, as is bold, though bold needs quite a few bottles to be run effectively. i'm sure you could get a great recomping effect with strength gains from a low dosed cycle of hdrol or epi while watching calories.
 
check out dermacrine by primordial performance. sounds right up your alley
 
suncloud said:
your gains on cycle are really from diet/weights/cardio. if you don't want that 10 pound gain, up the cardio a bit, and cut down on diet.

hdrol/epi are considered easier cycles, as is bold, though bold needs quite a few bottles to be run effectively. i'm sure you could get a great recomping effect with strength gains from a low dosed cycle of hdrol or epi while watching calories.
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Yah I have to say if your only looking to gain 3 or 4 lbs and get shredded you should not have to use drugs to dot it. If you can't do it without diet and exercise then your doing something wrong. You could switch to a recomp style of dieting where you cut very slowly and you should be able to put on some mass.

I don't know about everyone else but I get a lot more out of a solid herbal regimine than I do from a mild cycle of PH's .. anyhow this should really be discussed on the steroid forum as it is not permitted here.
 
If I may throw in another option of 1-andro Rx. Very mild, good strength gains, and diet depending, it will help get you more definition. Also, you can get a hell of a deal at our website
 
cel's td formestane and suppress-c/vpx shotgun. run this cycle for a month and let us know how it went. even better log it.
 
thebigt said:
cel's td formestane and suppress-c/vpx shotgun. run this cycle for a month and let us know how it went. even better log it.
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Oh yah Formestane is probably the one "life changing" supp for older guys good call ... So many benefits besides bodytuilding as well.
 
If you're over 50, you could probably get a TRT script. Legally.

A lot of older guys seem to respond well to DHEA and 6-oxo as well.

I wouldnt use anything methylated at your age. It will play havoc with your Lipid profile. Not a great idea.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Oh yah Formestane is probably the one "life changing" supp for older guys good call ... So many benefits besides bodytuilding as well.
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yey, dw. try the formestane/suppress-c combo on your next recomp/cut, i think you will like it.
 
thebigt said:
yey, dw. try the formestane/suppress-c combo on your next recomp/cut, i think you will like it.
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Like I said in another thread I have CEL Formestane and have VAT Attack and love both... Vat Attack has my waist looking more narrow than it ever has. I have always been kind of wide waisted well no more... Formestane is just good and this is a good product...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Like I said in another thread I have CEL Formestane and have VAT Attack and love both... Vat Attack has my waist looking more narrow than it ever has. I have always been kind of wide waisted well no more... Formestane is just good and this is a good product...
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it's all good, we are on same page.
 
All of em man. even more so since when you age your natty test decreases. all you need is diet/cardio/correct lifting and any ph you want coped with a proper and well knowledgeable pct and youre going to be the most ripped grey haired man on the block. happy lifting.
 
TravisG said:
All of em man. even more so since when you age your natty test decreases. all you need is diet/cardio/correct lifting and any ph you want coped with a proper and well knowledgeable pct and youre going to be the most ripped grey haired man on the block. happy lifting.
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If you do decide to go through with PH's listen to these guys they know what they're speaking of. I respect there decision to use as much as they respect my choice not to.

I just want to suggest to you to try the herbal alternatives before you jump into the PH's. There are some herbal products that are quite effective for older guys now. UspLabs, Anabolic Inovations, Applied Nutricals and RPN are good places to start oh and Anabolic Extreme has some good products as well. It is no secret that I am partial to UspLabs simply because they have done wonders for me. Formestane is very key also fo rme, I do something a little different than some, I use it as a staple at low dose and use it 3 days a week only. This way I feel the effects almost all the time just not as strongly as if I was doing it in cycle. I feel that at my age that a constant more subtle decrease in Estrogen over the long haul will be more beneficial. I do take a week off here and there when not training.
 
ambulldog said:
check out dermacrine by primordial performance. sounds right up your alley
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Great choice!!! Especially for age...

It also sounds like you just want a good cutting PH to help with asthetics, in that case research Furaguno(sp) and/or a good prostane clone. Also, MMV3 may be something that could help you as well. Not much weight gain associated with any of those cpds.
 
I am in the same boat. I'm 53 and would like to 'supplement' with some of the new generation of PH's. I have been out of the game for the last few years (after the ban), so I am not familiar with the products being discussed. I have been reading several threads here so I am in the process of getting caught up.

I have used 1AD, M1T, and transdermal 4AD. I ran 2 cycles 5-6 years ago, typical test-e/deca/dbol, so I am no stranger to anabolics.

I currently am on HRT, 100-150 mg of test-c/weekly. Would I benefit from adding transdermal formestane and suppress/c for 4 weeks, or would dermacrine be a better choice (over the suppress/c)?
 
JerseyDevil said:
I am in the same boat. I'm 53 and would like to 'supplement' with some of the new generation of PH's. I have been out of the game for the last few years (after the ban), so I am not familiar with the products being discussed. I have been reading several threads here so I am in the process of getting caught up.

I have used 1AD, M1T, and transdermal 4AD. I ran 2 cycles 5-6 years ago, typical test-e/deca/dbol, so I am no stranger to anabolics.

I currently am on HRT, 100-150 mg of test-c/weekly. Would I benefit from adding transdermal formestane and suppress/c for 4 weeks, or would dermacrine be a better choice (over the suppress/c)?
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Derm and Suppress C are really two different animals. If it cort control your after, suppress c would be the choice(it's a direct DHEA analoge of Btriol), however if your looking for additional androgen conversion then Dermacrine wins hands down(converts to test, androstendione and altered dhea metabolites).
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Derm and Suppress C are really two different animals. If it cort control your after, suppress c would be the choice(it's a direct DHEA analoge of Btriol), however if your looking for additional androgen conversion then Dermacrine wins hands down(converts to test, androstendione and altered dhea metabolites).
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if he is on hrt i am not sure dermacrine is a good option, formestane on the other hand is a great idea, imo.
 
DreamWeaver said:
If you do decide to go through with PH's listen to these guys they know what they're speaking of. I respect there decision to use as much as they respect my choice not to.

I just want to suggest to you to try the herbal alternatives before you jump into the PH's. There are some herbal products that are quite effective for older guys now. UspLabs, Anabolic Inovations, Applied Nutricals and RPN are good places to start oh and Anabolic Extreme has some good products as well. It is no secret that I am partial to UspLabs simply because they have done wonders for me. Formestane is very key also fo rme, I do something a little different than some, I use it as a staple at low dose and use it 3 days a week only. This way I feel the effects almost all the time just not as strongly as if I was doing it in cycle. I feel that at my age that a constant more subtle decrease in Estrogen over the long haul will be more beneficial. I do take a week off here and there when not training.
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as always, words of wisdom my friend.
 
thebigt said:
if he is on hrt i am not sure dermacrine is a good option, formestane on the other hand is a great idea, imo.
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Thanks for the advice guys. 5 years ago I was doing around 750 ml a week. 100-150 ml/wk just keeps me in the normal range. Why would Dermacrine be a bad idea? Am I missing something? Not interested in juicing again, but would like to get a little more androgen boost.

For sure, it sounds like the formestane is a no brainer
 
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