warbird01
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I wouldnt call "You are just a hater" or "You just have it out for USPLabs" guns blazing
Its just a lame way to counter criticism of their products with outlandish claimed without actually answering any questions
I am a Super Responder to Prime
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I wouldnt call "You are just a hater" or "You just have it out for USPLabs" guns blazing
Its just a lame way to counter criticism of their products with outlandish claimed without actually answering any questions
matthias7
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The nice thing about mathematics is that if there's an error you can point it out. I think Prime is expensive for what you get. Thats it.
If I didn't like USP I wouldn't use their stuff ... I do.
Its fair to point out each product has a parallel competitor.
GoHardOrGoHme
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I think matthias has a very valid and logical point. If you do not get sufficient gains or any gains on prime why are you going to drop 50 bucks on something that you can get parallel gains or gains at all on a product that is 20-30 dollars cheaper.
It's apparent not everyone responds to Prime in the same way. Those who are "super responders" or regular responders see the investment worth it. Me personally i will hit up a few odd jobs or find other means of getting the extra gree(maybe prostitution?) to run another cycle of Prime ONLY and i stress this ONLY b/c it works very well for me. I will recommend Prime to other in hopes they will experience similar gains but i dont see why they should continue taking it if they dont get gains off it.
I think everyone should try Prime at least once. Its kinda like a business investment, you can either respond well and receive your moneys worth. Or not respond so well and learn more about ur body and what does and does not work for you. For
It's apparent not everyone responds to Prime in the same way. Those who are "super responders" or regular responders see the investment worth it. Me personally i will hit up a few odd jobs or find other means of getting the extra gree(maybe prostitution?) to run another cycle of Prime ONLY and i stress this ONLY b/c it works very well for me. I will recommend Prime to other in hopes they will experience similar gains but i dont see why they should continue taking it if they dont get gains off it.
I think everyone should try Prime at least once. Its kinda like a business investment, you can either respond well and receive your moneys worth. Or not respond so well and learn more about ur body and what does and does not work for you. For
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
GNC
If obtained from GNC, PRIME is 150 capsules [800mg per capsule] at a price point of $55.99. 150/55.99 = .372. Put otherwise: 37 cents per capsule.
The former recommendation of PRIME was 6 capsules daily, or 8 for a larger range of dosing. This equates to .600mg x 6|8 = 3.6g|4.8g daily. The exorbitant dose of 15 suggested here equates to .600mg x 15 = 9g daily.
With the second generation of PRIME, the lower range dosage [3.6g] can be obtained vis a vi 4.5 capsules: .800mg x 4.5 = 3.6g . .37 x 4.5 = 1.66. Put otherwise: $1.66/day.
The higher range dosage [4.8g] can be obtained with a dosage of 6 capsules: .800mg x 6 = 4.8g. .37 x 6 = 2.22. Put otherwise: $2.22/day.
The highest range dosage [9g] can be obtained with a dosage of 11 capsules: .800mg x 11 = 8.8g. .37 x 11 = 4.07. Put otherwise: $4.07/day.
I just don't grasp the $7/day figure.
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Nutraplanet
At Nutraplanet, the price point is slightly different: $49.99 for 120 capsules [800mg per capsule]. 49.99/120 = .416. Put otherwise: 41 cents per capsule.
.41 x 4.5 = 1.85. Put otherwise: $1.85/day.
.41 x 6 = 2.46. Put otherwise: $2.46/day.
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It is unclear, though, whether or not PRIME's results are linear dose-dependent in nature - that is, whether increased dosage will continue to elicit increased effects. It could very well be 9 caps would have delivered him the same as 15; who knows, quite frankly. At any rate, nobody is suggesting 15 caps/day for everybody, and PRIME does not cost $7/day no matter how you slice the data.
You know, you continue to say this, and I continue to wait for it to happen. In another thread you claimed nobody knew how PFULL worked, and I [...feel I...] professionally and politely showed you that a wide-range of clinical datum show exactly how it works.
GoHardOrGoHme
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wait a minute....GNC is selling a supp for a reasonable price....really? GOLD CARD TIME!
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Sure are!
GoHardOrGoHme
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...they have super sizes of supercissus and recreate.....i thought i would never love gnc again....
Now if they can only have the same prices for whey...
Now if they can only have the same prices for whey...
matthias7
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Mullet better point out ...we do appreciate the time you put into this. It must also be pointed out that the quality of response is very strong in comparison ...
Anyway lets go through this, then ...
0.417 x 8 = $3.3
0.417 x 15 = $6.3 - USPlabs official line ... excessive.
HOWEVER its $70 at UspLabsDirect
So my original stuff stands corrected (I wondered where I had this figure from).
Agreed the new Prime looks good value... so something good has come from this ; we get the cheapest supplier :cheers: I am not sure that is exactly fair on Nutra but anyway. I presume Nutra will have to follow suit now because otherwise... well you know. Thats hard on Nutra - they'll have Prime in bulk.
PowerFull....
I don't think that is exactly fair. The problem was the information available per website. At the time I just couldn't figure out what was going on.
The general issue was that L-dopa is destroyed by dopa-decarboxylase in the blood stream, so in Parkinsons a decarboxylase inhibitor is supplied. The mystery of 1-C is its inability to be destroyed by decarboxylase , yet it is still capable of triggering dopamine production once inside the brain. The mystery behind this is how that is increasing HGH (no-one knows I think) .... its also a mystery why smokers find increased dopamine production helpful to quit smoking (its a cholinergenic).
If you get ldopa converting to dopamine in the blood stream there is a concern that it could knock out the kidneys (its just a theory though), although in small dose it is supposed to be healthy for the kidneys (a theory with some data behind it and medical usage).
Anyway lets go through this, then ...
0.417 x 8 = $3.3
0.417 x 15 = $6.3 - USPlabs official line ... excessive.
HOWEVER its $70 at UspLabsDirect
So my original stuff stands corrected (I wondered where I had this figure from).Agreed the new Prime looks good value... so something good has come from this ; we get the cheapest supplier :cheers: I am not sure that is exactly fair on Nutra but anyway. I presume Nutra will have to follow suit now because otherwise... well you know. Thats hard on Nutra - they'll have Prime in bulk.
PowerFull....
I don't think that is exactly fair. The problem was the information available per website. At the time I just couldn't figure out what was going on.
The general issue was that L-dopa is destroyed by dopa-decarboxylase in the blood stream, so in Parkinsons a decarboxylase inhibitor is supplied. The mystery of 1-C is its inability to be destroyed by decarboxylase , yet it is still capable of triggering dopamine production once inside the brain. The mystery behind this is how that is increasing HGH (no-one knows I think) .... its also a mystery why smokers find increased dopamine production helpful to quit smoking (its a cholinergenic).
If you get ldopa converting to dopamine in the blood stream there is a concern that it could knock out the kidneys (its just a theory though), although in small dose it is supposed to be healthy for the kidneys (a theory with some data behind it and medical usage).
Again we do appreciate the time you put in. However, you seem to think I my judgement isn't valid.... so... if you want to trade professional qualifications ...
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Excessive, only if you torture the data enough to make it so. The .41 cents per capsule is from the more expensive source, at a dosage nobody would use. That is 15 capsules of the 600mg formula, which has since been supplanted by an 800mg formula, as I said. I believe I gave the figure for 15 caps of the old dosage here:
I grasp your point, but there is no $7/day shenanigans happening here.
With all due respect, your claim were something along the lines of, "USPlabs is saying it works, but has no idea how". I am way too lazy to dig up the thread.
Aromatic l-amino decarboxylase, or "dopa decarboxylase", doesn't destroy l-DOPA; rather, it decarboxylates it - along with a cofactor - into Dopamine. [P]DCIs are administered to prevent the interconversion of l-DOPA <--> Dopamine in peripheral tissues, primarily to avoid long-term tolerability concerns. Peripheral conversion can cause dyskinesias, somnolence and a wide-range of other things. They are also administered to ensure dopamine metabolism is centered in the corpus stratum-substantia nigra basal ganglia loop that is responsible for the vast majority of dopamine production.
It increases GHRH [growth hormone releasing hormone]. The exact mechanism is in dispute, though.
The concern regarding acute renal damage centers around the high percentage of DDC and B-6 [DDC depends upon a B6-rich environment] in the kidneys. So, the real damage is not bloodstream conversion, but rather conversion in the actual kidney itself. The decarboxylation of l-DOPA into dopamine is an oxidative process, and therefore stressful on membrane stability in kidney cells, and a reducer of DNA and protein content. Therein lies the damage. I see what you are driving at, though.
[Again we do appreciate the time you put in. However, you seem to think I my judgement isn't valid.... so... if you want to trade professional qualifications ...
Sure, though with all due respect, I could really care less.
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Kenton has addressed the “concerns” countless and countless of times, and we always back up our claims with data and present the data in discussion.
You and others seem to forget and become repetitive with attacks.
Ultimately after we defend ourselves intellectually, I sometimes stoop to your level. A flaw that I need to correct. My father said never argue with ignorance. You will never win and it is exhausting.
You have our attention. What is your legitimate question?
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Hell yea we do! Anyone at USPlabs that does not feel passionate about the supplements is someone that does not work for the company.
Every athlete and employee at USPlabs was a consumer first! This will never change.
JassUSMC
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I didnt want to start a new thread, so i'll ask it here.
Well with all these PRIME threads popping up, I'm getting very interested in it. My lifting is pure Olympic Lifting, so I think a PRIME stack would be in good interests for me. I dont care about getting big, I just care about lifting big.
I've been reading around. I read stacks with T-911, Powerfull, Jack3d...What are some other options, or best yet, whats the BEST option, in terms of a stack? Im definently thinking about ordering a stack, so I can hop on it after my H-drol stack and PCT finishes.
Well with all these PRIME threads popping up, I'm getting very interested in it. My lifting is pure Olympic Lifting, so I think a PRIME stack would be in good interests for me. I dont care about getting big, I just care about lifting big.
I've been reading around. I read stacks with T-911, Powerfull, Jack3d...What are some other options, or best yet, whats the BEST option, in terms of a stack? Im definently thinking about ordering a stack, so I can hop on it after my H-drol stack and PCT finishes.
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two of the strongest in thier sports as NATURAL lifters.
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smutty
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I gain a little strength while using Prime, but the best part for me is it makes me want to keep going and going. I spend less time between sets and I want to do more sets. Also I feel like I repair faster. This is fantastic with A/P and BCAAs. It all seems to work together very well.
Maxwell600
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product x? it seems my absence has caught up to me...
VolcomX311
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It's not you, product X is still tucked away in The X-files. Only USP insiders and maybe Detective Molder knows about it, so don't feel left out.
borobulker
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Molder has no clue...
ctAL
Member
PRIME is a test booster correct? Ive never used one before isnt there side effects? I never messed with PH or test booster before. So you just take it for a while you dont need PCT? Why is this safe? Its like Novedex XT from Gaspari right? That stuff increases your hormones but i dunno.............i feel i dont need too. Im 24 years old if it matters....
GoHardOrGoHme
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to my knowledge and anyone correct me if i am wrong.
It is not like Novedex (an AI)
Prime was not designed to be a test booster and i have not seen any evidence of it boosting test.
To my knowledge the only side effects is strength
Prime has two main ingredients...Cell Med and tribulus aqauticus. Unike terrestris, aquaticus is a steroidal glycoside that allows for greater nitrogen retention and decreased catabolic activity through non-androgenic pathways. To my knowledge USP labs is the only company with the aquaticus extract which they call SuperAnabolic.
Cell Med is a CNS body adaptagen allowed for a for greater mind muscle connection to allow a greater exertion of force when you want it also allowing u to stay focused.
This is a non-hormonal strength supplement therefore no PCT is required.
Borobulker, Mullet, Jacob.....if im wrong correct me ASAP!
It is not like Novedex (an AI)
Prime was not designed to be a test booster and i have not seen any evidence of it boosting test.
To my knowledge the only side effects is strength
Prime has two main ingredients...Cell Med and tribulus aqauticus. Unike terrestris, aquaticus is a steroidal glycoside that allows for greater nitrogen retention and decreased catabolic activity through non-androgenic pathways. To my knowledge USP labs is the only company with the aquaticus extract which they call SuperAnabolic.
Cell Med is a CNS body adaptagen allowed for a for greater mind muscle connection to allow a greater exertion of force when you want it also allowing u to stay focused.
This is a non-hormonal strength supplement therefore no PCT is required.
Borobulker, Mullet, Jacob.....if im wrong correct me ASAP!
borobulker
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Let me know if you need anything else!
VolcomX311
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:261:
Apart from that, smart inquiries and kudos for having the mind to ask. Always better to be inquisitive.
andrew732
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Stack it with Powerfull, jack3d and glycobol!
GoHardOrGoHme
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i personally stack with powerfull and jack3d
VolcomX311
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I vote just up the PRIME dosage :lol:
matthias7
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Well $6.xx rounded up.
My understanding is dopamine in the bloodstream will not cross the blood membrane barrier. L-dope will. Dopamine in the blood stream doesn't seem to have a function but appears to make you pee a bit better.
Okay thanks.
Good, major Biochem PhD genetics (Oxford), faculty major med. institute. My biochem. is rusty (as has been pointed out). I don't understand physiology.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Plasma Dopamine has vasodilatoric and oxygenation properties, as well as producing involuntary contraction in skeletal muscle. It was once thought that skeletal muscle contractions and the modulation of motorneuronal firing by Dopamine were dependent phenomena. However, more recent evidence shows there are excitatory, pre-synaptic D receptors in skeletal muscle that can be activated with disproportionately small neuronal conduction - i.e., activation of the fiber with small action potentials being generated across the NMJ. The activation of these excitatory receptors may be responsible in part for the dyskinesias associated with l-DOPA modalities. Plasma Dopamine has a role, albeit less than neuronal Dopamine.
Congratulations?
oufinny
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Still waiting for the super size bottles of PF and AP so the AStack can be had with only ~3 bottles of AP & PF & Prime each.
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Not in the near future...
oufinny
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Totally understand. You guys need to make money and I am sure there is a good reason AP/PF are in the bottles with 90 pills due to cost of manufacturing. Can't argue with larger Cissus, Prime and Recreate though, it is a great start and the bulk powders as well really give lots of options for your products.
matthias7
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matthias7
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Okay thanks ... at a guess I'd say that the role of non-CNS dopamine appears to be be a theory. Clearly it is having an effect - whether its essential dunno.. With low levels dopamine in the brain its a straight coma (movie "Awakening").
I think the idea was to suss where you are coming from. My endocrinology is a rusty because I much preferred genetics. If I was into endocrinology then I'd be a bit quicker on my feet.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
My degree has nothing to do with science, which was my point. No offense, but I could care less what your degrees are. You are either aware of the subject matter, or you are not; a degree changes nothing.
INSAYNE RAGE
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^^^^WOW....my brain just blew a gasket lol
As for PRIME, its a bodybuilding miracle! I stack with PLASMAJET, SUPERPUMP, SIZEON, ANIMALPAK, ECHINACEA, FISHOIL, JOINT COMPLX, RESERVATROL, GRP SEED EXTRCT, HMB, at once......thats not alot,..right???:smashfreakB:
GoHardOrGoHme
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what is grape seed extract suppose to do?
INSAYNE RAGE
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I used to know all the details of it when I worked for GNC but from what I remember its primarily for your heart and healthy heart function.
Im sure one of the guys here will chime in and spill the details. :wave:
Im sure one of the guys here will chime in and spill the details. :wave:
INSAYNE RAGE
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With taking so many supplements im sure there has to be SOME sort of draw back that itll take on your body so I try to keep my kidneys, liver, heart, etc working well with diff herbs, also take Kidney blend to flush out, Cats Claw for supreme immunity, Lecithin Granules for emulsifying kidney stones and fats..hmm n a few more if i remember
oufinny
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This is great to hear because that is part of the stack plans for August/Septmeber in a solid 8 week run. Oh, going to add in some Diesel Test HC + Sunami or DTP for sh**s and giggle to really make it ridiculous. That is, if Chuck can keep any on the shelf by the time I am ready to buy! :damnit:
matthias7
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Oh sorry - I thought you had a medical background (MD). Okay you know alot, an awful lot. There can be antagonism with the medical community - so arguing is pretty normal (they earn way more
). Normally I just write off the 'top of my head' from stuff years back - so I get things wrong, the gist is there but the accuracy isn't. Its just you're physiology is alot better than mine and thats what a medic would be expected to be strong on.