pplex/estane/formestane/supressC/cycleassist LOG

[Harland]

found a sort of funny/educational vid, but lists some good foods to eat to promote an "anti-estrogenic" diet.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeqb5xOwH0&NR=1"]YouTube - Anti-Estrogenic Diet[/ame]

 

[Harland]

Last Day:
estane: 20mg 9:10am, 10mg 12:45pm, 20mg 4:30pm
formestane: 25mg wake up left arm, 25mg night right foot
cee: ~6grams
cycle assist: serving at 11am, serving at 1am
taurine: ~4grams
MRI WAR: one serving
fish oil: 4 grams
I deciding to cut the cycle like a day short. I'm ready to get back to "normal" and get through pct. I'm still a little banged up from the car accident and feeling a little lethargic. I'm probably going to take tomorrow off from the gym and start pct.

PCT will probably be as follows:
day 1(tomorrow)-14 20mg nolva ED, 15-on will be be 20mg nolva EOD
day 1-on PCT assist 2 servings ED
day 1-7 50mg formestane ED, 8-21 75mg formestane ED, 21-on formestane 50mg ED
day 1-5 50mg suppress-c ED, 6-28 100mg suppress-C ED, 29-on 50mg suppress-c ED
also the next 5/6 days i will continue my cycle assist @ 2 servings ED

I say -on because i only plan on running PCT for three or so weeks. I think by then i should feel "back on my feet".

taday's workout wasn't too bad. I put up some good numbers. I did find a new injury though, it is in my left shoulder (side hit by crash) and it only hurts in lateral movements, but it should be fine.

seated barbell military press 135x11 185x11 225x3
military press machine 90x11 115x11 120x8
pullover machine 270x11,11,11
rear delt machine 150x11 165x11,11
i tried the side laterals with cables and that is when i felt hurt.
skullcrushers 75x11,11,11 supersets close grip 75x11,11,11
pressdown 95x11,11,11
overhead cable press 180x11,11 whole stackx6
dip machine 210x11,11 215x11

Ill will follow up tomorrow with ending stats, maybe a couple pics, and ending thoughts/before pct review.

 

[Harland]

Final review/before PCT update

Overall i want to say i had a good run with PPLEX and ESTANE. I made some really good gains. In the end it was worth it, i mean i only paid a little bit of money for the compounds and they are legal.

I think the numbers speak for themselves:
starting weight: 223-225
ending weight: 243-246
so it is safe to say i gained 20lbs while on cycle.
Lets hope i can keep at least 12-15 of them.

here are the measurements:
START Arm flexed: 16.9
1/3 Arm flexed: 17.1875
2/3 Arm flexed: 17.4375
END Arm flexed: 17.5625
GAINED: .6625inches

START forearm straight out: 13.3
1/3 forearm straight out: 13.5
2/3 forearm straight out: 13.625
END forearm straight out: 13.625
GAINED: .325inches

START thigh standing up: 27.1
1/3 thigh standing up: 27.5
2/3 thigh standing up: 28
END thigh standing up: 28.375
GAINED: 1.275inches

START calves relaxed: 17.4
1/3 calves relaxed: 17.5
2/3 calves relaxed: 17.78
END cavles relaxed: 17.625
GAINED: .225inches

START chest sitting down: 48.3
1/3 chest sitting down: 48.5
2/3 chest sitting down: 49.25
END chest sitting down: 49.5
GAINED: 1.2inches

so as you can tell ive gained some size. Seems ive gained more on my bigger muscles groups then i did on my smaller ones. So i can say this stack is made more for bigger mass.

Overall this cycle made me thirsty for gains, and is something i can use as motivation in the months to come. Right now i don't know what i will do in the future. But i will always try to gain.

 

[mw1]

Congrats on your progress Harland~!!!!!

 

[Harland]

Congrats on your progress Harland~!!!!!

thanks man!

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 1:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
formestane: 25mg wake up left arm, 25mg night right arm
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lover stomach wake up
cee: ~6grams
cycle assist: 2 servings
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
fish oil: 4 grams

Don't know what to report on day one of pct. I feel fine though. I looked a little bit leaner today, and i weighed in at 243. so lets see how this goes.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 2:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
formestane: 25mg wake up left arm, 25mg night right arm
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lover stomach wake up
cee: ~6grams
cycle assist: 2 servings
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
fish oil: 0 grams

felt good today, and i already feel like im "back on my feet". I think my pct setup will run very smoothly.

 

[Xman315]

Congrats on your accomplishment...as far as Im concerned a gain of 20 lbs. is good in anybodys book.

If you dont mind, do me a favor and put your beginning photos next to your final photos and let me see the before and after pics side by side....

I believe when you began this log, you said something about not worrying about what your waist size is/was...but Im curious to know what it is, before & after.... if you recorded it...

Thanks Man, Again Good Job!!

 

[Harland]

Congrats on your accomplishment...as far as Im concerned a gain of 20 lbs. is good in anybodys book.

If you dont mind, do me a favor and put your beginning photos next to your final photos and let me see the before and after pics side by side....

I believe when you began this log, you said something about not worrying about what your waist size is/was...but Im curious to know what it is, before & after.... if you recorded it...

Thanks Man, Again Good Job!!

i was going to do that with the pics... ill post them soon.

i think it was around 34 inches, and i have to say it might of grew a tiny bit. But the thing is i still fit into all my shorts (around 34-36') as far as waist is concerned, just the thighs are tighter. the true funny thing is i can't really fit into 32's around the leg but i can around the waist.

 

[Harland]

oh yeah!!!

here are the images you requested. I tried my best to get the same angle in the picture. I think that the results sort of speak for themselves.

 

[nickrut]

Jeez...looking thicker IMO.

What was total weight gain from the pplex?

 

[Harland]

Jeez...looking thicker IMO.

What was total weight gain from the pplex?

its hard to tell since i stacked both the pplex and the estane, but i would have to say at least have the gains.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 3:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
formestane: 25mg wake up left arm, 25mg night right arm
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach 5pm
cee: ~6grams
cycle assist: 1 serving
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
MRI WAR: one serving
fish oil: 7 grams

wow pct is going pretty good so far. Looking a little leaner today, still holding some water, but i ate ****ty yesterday so that is why.

workout went good, sort of switched it up a little since i was flying solo today. I focused on 3 main compound exercises with 5 sets for each. i was feeling good especially when i cable rowed the entire weight stack ten times on my fifth set.

assisted pullups 140x11 125x11 110x11,8 95x6
close grip cable rows 245x11 260x11 265x11 285x11 300(whole stack)x10
wide grip underhand pulldowns 180x11 185x11 190x11 195x11 200x11
db curls 50x11 55x8 60x6 65x3 70x(1)
skullcrusher curls 120x11 125x11,11,11,10
preacher db curls 30x11,11,11,11,11
reverse forearms 95x25,25,25,25,25
forearm db 30x25,25,25,25,25

 

[Xman315]

here are the images you requested. I tried my best to get the same angle in the picture. I think that the results sort of speak for themselves.

Point Made....I can see the 20 alot clearer now!!

Now the question is how much will you keep?? I suspect lockin in your PCT and diet will be the key factor...If im not mistaken your using Nolvadex right?? or is everything OTC? I'll retake a peek at your log....

 

[Harland]

Point Made....I can see the 20 alot clearer now!!

Now the question is how much will you keep?? I suspect lockin in your PCT and diet will be the key factor...If im not mistaken your using Nolvadex right?? or is everything OTC? I'll retake a peek at your log....

i think i said somewhere of around 12-15lbs is my goal to keep after pct. My diet is almost exactly the same, and im going to try and keep the cardio around the same, but it might go up a tiny bit. The only things i took out where the protein bars. still getting a lot of food.

yes im taking nolva, everything else is otc.

 

[Xman315]

i think i said somewhere of around 12-15lbs is my goal to keep after pct. My diet is almost exactly the same, and im going to try and keep the cardio around the same, but it might go up a tiny bit. The only things i took out where the protein bars. still getting a lot of food.

yes im taking nolva, everything else is otc.

I'll stay posted for the post PCT results!!

Im starting a cycle of Epi (solo) in about 8 weeks, so this log helped out alot deciding which route to go!! and potentially how to run it!!

 

[Harland]

I'll stay posted for the post PCT results!!

Im starting a cycle of Epi (solo) in about 8 weeks, so this log helped out alot deciding which route to go!! and potentially how to run it!!

thank and good luck on your cycle. I don't know if i run would any ps/ph for longer then like 5 weeks, but i know how my body responds to them. I start to get the good ole "floppy" around the end of week 4 or so. So good luck and be careful.

 

[Xman315]

thank and good luck on your cycle. I don't know if i run would any ps/ph for longer then like 5 weeks, but i know how my body responds to them. I start to get the good ole "floppy" around the end of week 4 or so. So good luck and be careful.

No Doubt and Will Do!! Im gonna post my before pics just before I get goin'!! my log wont be as meticulous, but I'll keep you tuned in overall...

 

[Harland]

No Doubt and Will Do!! Im gonna post my before pics just before I get goin'!! my log wont be as meticulous, but I'll keep you tuned in overall...

as long as you keep enough info so you can look back and correct any mistakes (if any) and be better next time around

 

[matt352]

way thicker bro....def look awesome no homo...great job with the log and cycle i will def read over this about a million times preparing for my next cycle...thanks and good luck with the rest of your pct

 

[Harland]

way thicker bro....def look awesome no homo...great job with the log and cycle i will def read over this about a million times preparing for my next cycle...thanks and good luck with the rest of your pct

thanks..

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 4:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
formestane: 25mg wake up left arm, 25mg night right arm
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach 5pm
cee: ~6grams
cycle assist: 1 serving
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
MRI WAR: one serving
fish oil: 7 grams

good day today, feel better everyday.

chest workout was good, had strength but felt like my "fire" was missing.
db bench press 100'sx11 105'sx11 110'sx10 115'sx7 120'sx8
incline press smith machine 185x11 190x11 195x11 200x9 205x9
cable flys 60x11 65x11 70x11 75x11 80x9
skullcrushers 75x11,11 85x10,9,9
rope 75x11,11,11 80x11,11
dip machine 175x11,11 180x11 185x11 190x11

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 5:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
formestane: 25mg wake up left arm, 25mg night right arm
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach wake up
cee: ~6grams
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
fish oil: 6 grams

i took out cycle assist today, felt like it has done its job well. Plus i was tired of taking the doses. I have to say everything is going great so far for pct. Im definitely a little bit leaner as the days go on. Been doing my cardio and having a great diet so far. Still trying to eat big, just cleaned it up a tad.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 6:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
formestane: 25mg wake up left arm
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach wake up, 50mg same after shower
cee: ~6grams
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
MRI WAR
MRI BLACK POWDER
fish oil: 8 grams

um nothing to really report, kind of felt a little melo today. i think the suppress c is kicking in. first day at 100mg im going to drop the formestane, i think it is a little overkill. i can feel that my overall strength or "fire" is gone, and im not that interested in actual sex, but totally interested in every girl that walks by... lol.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 7:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach wake up, 50mg same after shower
cee: ~6grams
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
MRI WAR
fish oil: 6 grams
This fridays weight: 242
last friday's weight: 246
pct is going pretty good, im in a treatment program right now for my car accident, and im getting massages and therapy at least 3 times a week by a nice little smoking hot 18yr old, that could bend my **** with her smile.... anyways

i can already tell the small difference in dropping the form, can tell my "fire" is coming back.

i dropped a couple pounds this week, i can tell it was some water and a little bit of fat. I took a couple measurements today for the hell of it, and everything is the same if not a little bit bigger. So that is good.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 8:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach wake up, 50mg same after shower
cee: ~6grams
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
MRI WAR
fish oil: 6 grams
This Saturdays weight: 244
last Saturday's weight: 243

i can feel my "fire" coming back, i felt it today in the gym. Plus im starting to get some good numbers in at the gym. On my fifth set of leg press i did 810lbs for 11reps. Then i leg curled the entire weight stack. Then i loaded up the entire leg press with as much weight as you possibly can, and on my last two sets did 8,7.

my sex drive is still kind of weird, i mean im checking out chicks, but not really interested. Hopefully everything starts to level out within the next couple weeks.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 9:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach wake up, 50mg same after shower
cee: ~6grams
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams

everything is going good. nothing to really report.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 10:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach wake up, 50mg same after shower
cee: ~6grams
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
MRI WAR
fish oil: 8 grams

pretty smooth sailing right now. Feeling good, sex drive is coming back nicely. i can still feel a little "fire" is missing in the gym, but i still am pulling some decent numbers.

I will prob do a little update around day 15 or so.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 11:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach wake up, 50mg same after shower
cee: ~6grams
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
MRI WAR
fish oil: 8 grams
strength was really good today, I was on my fifth set of wide lat pulldowns, and i decided to do the whole weight stack, well on my seventh rep i feel throbbing pain in my hand, so i drop the weight, and i tore open my hand, ****ing stung like a bitch. So i taped it up and finished the workout.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 12:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach wake up, 50mg same after shower
cee: ~6grams
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
MRI WAR
fish oil: 8 grams


have to say pct is going a lot better then the pct on hdrol, when i was doing all OTC supps.


checked a bouple measurements today and everything is the same. So no size lost so far. Im going to update with some pics later in the week.

 

[GotTest]

my sex drive is still kind of weird, i mean im checking out chicks, but not really interested. Hopefully everything starts to level out within the next couple weeks.

Nolva will screw with libido big time.
Maybe throw the Form back in the mix.

 

[Harland]

Nolva will screw with libido big time.
Maybe throw the Form back in the mix.

actually quite the opposite. I cut out the form and im almost 100% back, wanted my girl twice tonight instead of just once, or none.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 13:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach wake up, 50mg same after shower
cee: ~6grams
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
MRI WAR
fish oil: 8 grams

everything is still good, can feel some slight joint pain from the suppress-c.

My workouts are up and down as far as intensity is concerned, but everything else is pretty level.

 

[Harland]

PCT Day 14:
Nolva: 20mg bedtime
suppress-c: 50mg inner chest/lower stomach wake up, 50mg same after shower
cee: ~6grams
PCT assist: 2 servings
taurine: ~2grams
MRI WAR
fish oil: 6 grams
This fridays weight: 242
last friday's weight: 242

weight stayed the same this week which is good, means im doing something right. I can tell ive leaned up a tad. strength is up to a little, curled the 75's for two reps on my last set, and i put up 225 on my last two sets of close grips for 7 and 6 reps.

im going to tinker with the suppress-c dosage a little, i think i might take 75mg in the morning and thats it, maybe see what that does, plus after tomorrow im going to 20mg nolva eod.

 

[GotTest]

actually quite the opposite. I cut out the form and im almost 100% back, wanted my girl twice tonight instead of just once, or none.

Yeah, dropping estrogen too low can effect libido too.
Don't think that's happened to me with Form.

 

[Harland]

Yeah, dropping estrogen too low can effect libido too.
Don't think that's happened to me with Form.

**** i didn't think anyone was still following this.

but yeah my sex drive is pretty good now, especially since i just start doing 2 servings of 4caps of pct assist.

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

**** i didn't think anyone was still following this.

but yeah my sex drive is pretty good now, especially since i just start doing 2 servings of 4caps of pct assist.

Following along, I just dont post much in reviews, but always following

 

[Harland]

well today is the 17th day of PCT and everything is still
nolva 20mg ED
75mg suppress-C ED
8 caps pct assist ED
6 grams of CEE ED
MRI WAR every workout
fish oil ED

strength has been pretty good, im still not 100% from the accident, and my docs have me on limited exercises, I can put any weight on my shoulders basically, and i have to take it easy on any overhead press.

other then that i have to say everything is going back to "normal". I plan on doing for another couple days at full blast, then starting to taper off.

 

[TheBreeze]

Dang Harland, you definately put in some work this time. It really paid off and it shows. You look a crapton thicker! I cant wait to see the final after PCT pics you take, to see how much water weight you drop and how much you can lean out.

Keep up the hard work!!!

 

[Harland]

Dang Harland, you definately put in some work this time. It really paid off and it shows. You look a crapton thicker! I cant wait to see the final after PCT pics you take, to see how much water weight you drop and how much you can lean out.

Keep up the hard work!!!

thanks man, im still working hard.

the pct plan is an actual pretty plan in itself. I mean my workouts are almost the same intensity as "on cycle".

I have been keeping an eye on my measurements, as my weight has been dropping a tad.

They are almost all with in like .1 inch of what they where at the end of the cycle. like my forearm is up a tad, and i think my arm might of went down a tad.

 

[Ju1cedUp]

stilll going strong man, keep it up, almost time to show us those final pics

done a great job

 

[Harland]

well today is the 19th day of pct, i will start tapering down in about 2-3 days, and im going to start some p-slin and mega dosing my fish oil starting next week. So i will take some pics before then.

 

[Harland]

here are some pics, they dont really tell much difference, because im still carrying some water here and there, but you can still the size is still there.

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

I can tell a big difference, espec in shoulders and arms

 

[Harland]

i cant believe how my strength is still going up some. I did leg press today and did 900lbs for 5 reps on my 5-6th set.

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

i cant believe how my strength is still going up some. I did leg press today and did 900lbs for 5 reps on my 5-6th set.

Damn, good going

 

[Spartan-JS]

looking solid man!!! this is a great log!! good job on putting down the exact dosing each day man, this is really helpfull for my upcoming cycle! stil not sure on whether to go with E-stane alone, or stack it with X-tren or EQ-plex..

 

[Harland]

looking solid man!!! this is a great log!! good job on putting down the exact dosing each day man, this is really helpfull for my upcoming cycle! stil not sure on whether to go with E-stane alone, or stack it with X-tren or EQ-plex..

thanks, if it is your first cycle, then stick with the estane, and if it is your second then run the eq, if it is your third or so then run the xtren

 

[Harland]

PCT will probably be as follows:
day 1(tomorrow)-14 20mg nolva ED, 15-on will be be 20mg nolva EOD
day 1-on PCT assist 2 servings ED
day 1-7 50mg formestane ED, 8-21 75mg formestane ED, 21-on formestane 50mg ED
day 1-5 50mg suppress-c ED, 6-28 100mg suppress-C ED, 29-on 50mg suppress-c ED
also the next 5/6 days i will continue my cycle assist @ 2 servings ED

although i have changed that a tad...
pct has been 75mgs of suppress-c every morning, two servings of 4CAPS of PCT ASSIST, 20mg nolva ED and that's about all.

with today being day 21 or so of pct it is my last FULL day. I will start tampering as follows:
20mg nolva EOD on nights i dont take nolva i will do 25mg formestane, so i can start leveling my hormones
suppress c will tamper from 75mgs to 25mgs over the next two weeks.
and i will just run out the pct assist and 2x4caps a day.

i went ahead and started the p-slin, taking that before/after workouts. im not going to mega dose the fish oil though, that is staying around 8-10grams a day. Also i am not taking MRI WAR anymore, as im saving it for times where i might need it.

 

[Ju1cedUp]

hey man, hope u didnt die.

u still doin good?