Best Ph for lean dry gains w/ Strength
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jwick77
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Hdrol/Trenadrol (if you can get some) stack!! I start mine Monday!!!
H Drol
50/75/75/75/75/75
Trenadrol
0/0/60/60/60/60
I would like to go higher on the Tren but cant find anymore....
tattoopierced1
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LAGear
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How would you compare the gains/sides/PCT of 1-TT with h-drol and epi?
My first cycle was h-drol and I'd like to try 1-TT for my next cycle but I'm leaning towards 1-T because I'm a bit chicken of the increased gyno risk from 1-TT.
qwerty33
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lets just say i have tryed all 3. 1-t tren h-drol x2 and epi. I am breaking all my PR on 1-t tren every time I hit the gym and have gained the most mass. The cream part of it is a pain in the ass imo. But the product is amazing. If you take the right supps gyno is not a problem at all. (p-5-p, vitex, bulk powerfull, cycle support) its a kick ass product.
LAGear
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What's p-5-p?
Not sure how powerfull helps with gyno but it'll be a cold day in hell before I ever use a usplabs supplement.
LAGear
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Jake, Jacob -- Whatever the owner's name is... He's a prick in the worst way. I absolutely refuse to let that guy have a single penny from my pocket.
Besides that, the claim that Powerfull increases HGH production by 221% in one dose has got to be the most ridiculous claim ever made by a supplement company.
As far as I'm concerned that company is really shady.
mooch2321
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tren/super stack...with CHROMIUM PICOLINATE....hahaha....if i recall correctly purus isnt a board sponsor blue....and as subtle as you were...still looks like your trying to push a product to me....
kjkriston
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It has sides like everything else...but the sides are limited to back pumps as far as my experience goes and yes it can definetly be used as a cutter or on a recomp. Completely diet based as to what it will do for you. Strength gains are no question, youll gain some weight no matter what your eating. All lean weight if your diet is even semi clean. I just LOVE epi. I've triend damn near everything. Try IronMagLabs 1-Andro if you dont want a lot of weight but solid gains in strength and some leaning qualities. Check my log in my sig.
stullsy
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how hard was epi on your joints?
abuleh
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p-5-p is the co enzyme of vitamin b6 and it is used to control/ decrease prolactin. Prolactin is often mentioned together with lactating and prolactin induced gyno together with progestins or even with designer tren products.
powerfull contains L-dopa. L-dopa raises dopamin levels which lowers prolactin levels and is also used to prevent prolactin gyno on cycle. Vitex does the same trick.
~abuleh
abuleh
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How about a hdrol into epi bridge cycle? I did this last summer and gained over 20lbs in 6 wks. This was my best ph/ps cycle ever, lean dry gains and amazing strenght.
I did not even dose it very high
hdrol 4wks @50mg (first time hdrol though)
Epi, 20,20,30,40, started in wk3
~abuleh
I did not even dose it very high
hdrol 4wks @50mg (first time hdrol though)
Epi, 20,20,30,40, started in wk3
~abuleh
prld2gr8ns
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LAGear
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I have to disagree with you about the side effects of epi. Any steroid-related side effect you an dream of, someone has gotten it with epi. Even if they do everything right during their cycle and PCT they can run into trouble.
I have no idea what percentage of people using epi experience side effects but it's not minuscule. When I started researching my first cycle I was set to run Havoc and bought a bottle. After continued research that bottle sits in a cupboard never to be opened (by me). I compare using epi to playing Russian roulette because you just don't know how it's going to effect you until you try. I didn't want to gamble.
That's the dark side of epi. But if you are one of the lucky ones (no question the majority of people come out OK if they have a good PCT) then epi is fantastic and it can be used for increasing size, cutting or recomp.
For least sides hdrol is the clear winner.
For least sides with most gains 1-T and 1-T Tren seem to be solid candidates although I've never tried them. But unlike just about every other product out there I don't think I've ever heard about a negative experience with one of PP's products.
But I don't think any of this is helping qwerty sicne he seems to have tried just about everything mentioned in this thread
luclyluciano
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I have to disagree with you about the side effects of epi. Any steroid-related side effect you an dream of, someone has gotten it with epi. Even if they do everything right during their cycle and PCT they can run into trouble.
I have no idea what percentage of people using epi experience side effects but it's not minuscule. When I started researching my first cycle I was set to run Havoc and bought a bottle. After continued research that bottle sits in a cupboard never to be opened (by me). I compare using epi to playing Russian roulette because you just don't know how it's going to effect you until you try. I didn't want to gamble.
That's the dark side of epi. But if you are one of the lucky ones (no question the majority of people come out OK if they have a good PCT) then epi is fantastic and it can be used for increasing size, cutting or recomp.
For least sides hdrol is the clear winner.
For least sides with most gains 1-T and 1-T Tren seem to be solid candidates although I've never tried them. But unlike just about every other product out there I don't think I've ever heard about a negative experience with one of PP's products.
But I don't think any of this is helping qwerty sicne he seems to have tried just about everything mentioned in this thread
You have alot of opinions considering not having used most of these mones.
1-T definitely has sides! If you call nipples hurting to high heaven and a feroucious itch beyond belief...good product but can't light a candle next to Epi.
H-dro is nice and mild but you gotta run high dose and use 2 bottles at least.
Epi is very safe and the clear winner here. No sides what so ever. I sure if you search real hard you'll find those claiming gyno and shedding but seems highly unlikely and exaggerated and no sides with great results is the norm not on of the lucky ones.
READ THE STICKY ON DESIGNERS!
Yes I have used all 3 and am onto H-Roid right now. Go ahead and open that Havoc bottle....it's amazing! You will love it! and if you really are that afraid use it on a EOD pulse to spread it out....that's what I did. Was my most memorable cycle.:duel:
kjkriston
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I have to disagree with you about the side effects of epi. Any steroid-related side effect you an dream of, someone has gotten it with epi. Even if they do everything right during their cycle and PCT they can run into trouble.
I have no idea what percentage of people using epi experience side effects but it's not minuscule. When I started researching my first cycle I was set to run Havoc and bought a bottle. After continued research that bottle sits in a cupboard never to be opened (by me). I compare using epi to playing Russian roulette because you just don't know how it's going to effect you until you try. I didn't want to gamble.
That's the dark side of epi. But if you are one of the lucky ones (no question the majority of people come out OK if they have a good PCT) then epi is fantastic and it can be used for increasing size, cutting or recomp.
For least sides hdrol is the clear winner.
For least sides with most gains 1-T and 1-T Tren seem to be solid candidates although I've never tried them. But unlike just about every other product out there I don't think I've ever heard about a negative experience with one of PP's products.
But I don't think any of this is helping qwerty sicne he seems to have tried just about everything mentioned in this thread
I understand you have made a personal choice but how can you disagree that epi has the least sides. I didnt say it had NO sides I said it had the least for the gains. I still believe that gains versus sides EPI wins. Hdrol def. has less sides but the gains are also much milder.....for me. Everyone is different.
UnrealMachine
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Epi didn't give me strength or size just hardness and vascularity, no strength even at 40mg. A few others are like me and didn't get much out of it.
Lean gains w/ strength can be made on almost any PH cycle if your diet is right. But for the best #s concerning lbm gained vs. fat, & strength gained, it has go to to Superdrol for me.
Lean gains w/ strength can be made on almost any PH cycle if your diet is right. But for the best #s concerning lbm gained vs. fat, & strength gained, it has go to to Superdrol for me.
blueboy22
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Let me know if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that if we were carried in the NP store, I was able to talk about the products.
Thanks
BUCKNUTS
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This statement is true of any and every compound. How can you know how anything will effect you until you try it even non-hormonal products. I have been pulsing epi @ 50mg 3x/week on workout days with no sides at all, I'm not impressed with gains either but zero sides. I'm gonna up it to 60mg this week and see if that changes anything in terms of gains.
LAGear
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Sorry to revive this but I wasn't on for a while and I'm trying to get caught up.
Just because I haven't tried them all doesn't mean I can't have a sound opinion about them. I researched the hell out of Epi before deciding not to use it. After all, one person's experience isn't enough to go by, you have to look at the big picture.
I am convinced that Epi is not very safe, saying that there are "no sides whatsoever" is totally wrong and misleading to people. You don't have to look hard at all to find reports of extreme sides. Lots and lots of people have had them with Epi. And it's erratic as hell, some people don't have problems until their second or third cycle even if they did everything the same way in each cycle. Based on my research it seems like it's a wildly unpredictable steroid and tons of guys are stuck with gyno from using Epi. OTOH H-drol is safe but gians rather minimal for some people.
As for 1-T, I've personally not come across any negative experiences in the forums. I can't figure out why, either they don't happen or people don't talk about them. Are painful, itchy nips common side effects? Any other common side effects? I would definitely like to hear about this -- for 1-T not 1-T Tren.
qwerty33
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1-t is just one andro. i would never use it. 1-t tren idk if i will use again as it made me lathargic, no libido, but i gained 13 lbs from it. H-drol is my pick, mild, melts fat, and my body reacts well to it. Epi when i ran it gave me puffy nipps, im lucky i did not get gyno.
anberlin80
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when did you start noticing benefits from epi?? I'm on day 5 of Havoc at 40mg/day. I haven't noticed any difference in workouts or mood yet, thanks!
theface
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You have to run 2 bottles at least? That sounds insane to me. I am still searching for a decent dry prohormone. H-drol makes me gain freaky strength and mass, but I notice bloat in my face after week 1. Epi is okay, but I don't get nearly the strength gains as I do with H-Drol. Because of this constant debate, I am sure that there is no 1 king prohormone for dry clean gains.
