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TimberLakers said:
Some of the sh*t that little retard wrote is so rediculous, that you really wouldn't believe it unless you saw it.
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At first I felt bad for him thinking you were busting on him for not much reason. Then I started seeing more and more of his actual quotes and understood where you guys were coming from. Still waiting for the vid even though with my back screwed up my 11 year old daughter could out squat me. :28:
 
Well I went to the Chiropractor yesterday and it seems like I am completely fukked up everywhere. LOL He started naming all these issues, Hips, lower back, upper back, forward head syndrom, etc. Then told me I would need 5 treatments a week for 3-4 weeks. Now I have decent insurance and my copay is $35 plus they only cover chiro at 80%. So I would be out probably $70 per day for the forseable future. I make good money, but I am not sure I can afford to fix my problems at that price.

I think I will continue to suffer throught the pain until it becomes unbearable, reduce the weights, up the cardio and then when it gets too bad get another injection. I am pretty disappointed, but such is life.
 
Day 10


Starting Weight: 198lbs
Day 7 Weight: 196lbs

Starting Measurements: Waist 36.75" Belly over belly button: 37.5"

Observations:

I have been a little hungrier lately, but I am doing a pretty good job of controlling the cravings. I still feel much leaner than I was 10 days ago even though the weight might not show it. With shorts on and no shirt my stomach looks pretty flat which is like the first time in 15+ years that I can say that.

Supplements
Lean Fuel Extreme @ 3 caps/day (2 AM, one around 11AM)
Whey Protein
Multi Vitamin
Xtend on workout Days
Fish Oil @ 9 caps (I upped the dosage because my joints are sore)
Fiber Chewables



Food today:
30g Protein shake
Oatmeal with pecans.
Lunch was a Chicken Fajita meat with 2 corn tortillas and a little bit of beans.
Snack was a Special K protein bar (180 calories and 10g protein)
Hit the Gym for cardio and had a 30g protein shake afterwards.
Dinner was left over pot roast...yummy

Negatives:

Sleep was a little rough last night. I skipped the benadryl and then woke up after tossing and turning at 1:20AM. I think it is mainly due to back soreness and my inability to get comfortable. I popped 2 benadryl and passed back out and slept pretty well after that.

Other Notes:

I did pretty good on my diet yesterday. I know I had corn tortillas for lunch, but I did get my 40+ minutes of cardio in to over compensate for it. Today I have already planned my lunch which will be pretty light and healthy. I am really looking forward to Sunday's weigh in because I am expecting good results for myself.
 
TimberLakers said:
No, he's just confirming that it is... in fact... a different D Bag than Buster.
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OK. I thought my D-Bag Dar was on the fritz.
My GAYDar was blazing over in the Bizzaro Busta thread with all the tension between deadlifter and basically every other guy in there. Freak.
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
Well I went to the Chiropractor yesterday and it seems like I am completely fukked up everywhere. LOL He started naming all these issues, Hips, lower back, upper back, forward head syndrom, etc. Then told me I would need 5 treatments a week for 3-4 weeks. Now I have decent insurance and my copay is $35 plus they only cover chiro at 80%. So I would be out probably $70 per day for the forseable future. I make good money, but I am not sure I can afford to fix my problems at that price.

I think I will continue to suffer throught the pain until it becomes unbearable, reduce the weights, up the cardio and then when it gets too bad get another injection. I am pretty disappointed, but such is life.
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That sucks to hear about the back ish Silver. I'm not sure I'd do the $70 a day treatment either. I think you are right to go with what you know and try some rehab on your own for a bit and see how that works.
I hope you can find a way to get a comfy sleeping position without having to go to too many drugs to get through the night. Not sleeping is the worst.

I hope you can work out some changes in the routine and feel better. Keep up that good work.
 
Pretty much where I am at is my back day will consist of lots of pullups, lat pull downs and cardio and my leg day will be hamsting curls, leg extension and leg press with cardio. It is going to suck, but it is what it is.
 
Silver, can you do supported T-bar or use a bench for DB rows.
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
Well I went to the Chiropractor yesterday and it seems like I am completely fukked up everywhere. LOL He started naming all these issues, Hips, lower back, upper back, forward head syndrom, etc. Then told me I would need 5 treatments a week for 3-4 weeks. Now I have decent insurance and my copay is $35 plus they only cover chiro at 80%. So I would be out probably $70 per day for the forseable future. I make good money, but I am not sure I can afford to fix my problems at that price.

I think I will continue to suffer throught the pain until it becomes unbearable, reduce the weights, up the cardio and then when it gets too bad get another injection. I am pretty disappointed, but such is life.
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Chiropractor is not a doctor.

Go see a doc and if necessary get some real PT. Your insurance should cover more of that and you'll get healed up faster. Extended chiro treatment is voodoo science in my book.

I had a pretty major back issue for the last month or so. I was in serious pain, I discussed it at length in my h-drol log. At one point I thought it was sciatica but now I'm not so sure about that. I gave it proper rest, took ibuprofen, stretched daily and used an ibuprofen transdermal gel. Today I maxed on overhead BB presses and was totally pain free so as of today I consider myself officially back to 100%.

I also went to a chiro for the first time in my life. I had two sessions with him and canceled my third because I didn't think it did a damn thing for me other than waste my time. He did give me some good stretches to do on my own which I think were a HUGE help.

Silver3CSRT8 said:
Don't twist my arm. I have thought about it to see if there are any advantages. But there is always the debate of run more for a shorter time or run a longer cycle of it.
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I bumped up to 4 caps ED for my log. Continuing the two bottles we got at 2 caps ED would result in a three month cycle/log. That's just too long, I don't want to run this until the middle of September.

Besides, in three months I imagine you could build some tolerance/insensitivity so LFE so I decided it's better to run for six weeks instead of twelve.
 
Still looking good silver. Hope the back feels better. If it makes you feel better I destroyed my big toe yesterday. It looks like a grenade was dropped on it. Dropped a would table on it, and had to have the nail opened to drain it, and wouldn't you know, nothing to numb it. :).
 
Hiyo Silver - been in the wars mate? Nothing worse than injuries when you're in full swing - it's taken me over 3 months to fix my ankle. Stick to your guns :thumbsup:
 
GMG760 said:
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Let's do this Silver!!!!
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Nothing like a little Rocky to get me fired up for this AM's workout. Too bad I wasted it on back day. All I did was some pullups and hammer stength rows. Then went to the elliptical for 33 minutes. I checked weight this AM and I am very happy with what I am seeing here. Can't wait until Sunday. :hitit:
 
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Let's do this Silver!!!!
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LAGear said:
Chiropractor is not a doctor.

Go see a doc and if necessary get some real PT. Your insurance should cover more of that and you'll get healed up faster. Extended chiro treatment is voodoo science in my book.

I had a pretty major back issue for the last month or so. I was in serious pain, I discussed it at length in my h-drol log. At one point I thought it was sciatica but now I'm not so sure about that. I gave it proper rest, took ibuprofen, stretched daily and used an ibuprofen transdermal gel. Today I maxed on overhead BB presses and was totally pain free so as of today I consider myself officially back to 100%.

I also went to a chiro for the first time in my life. I had two sessions with him and canceled my third because I didn't think it did a damn thing for me other than waste my time. He did give me some good stretches to do on my own which I think were a HUGE help.



I bumped up to 4 caps ED for my log. Continuing the two bottles we got at 2 caps ED would result in a three month cycle/log. That's just too long, I don't want to run this until the middle of September.

Besides, in three months I imagine you could build some tolerance/insensitivity so LFE so I decided it's better to run for six weeks instead of twelve.
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As you know, back problems suck and affect everything you do. Right now it is uncomfortable, but manageable. I am not taking any pain killers, but I am taking benadryl to help me sleep. I do pretty good at night excep when I decide to change sides and I let out a big UGH.

I know mine is a sciatica based on the pain radiating down my leg and left buttox. I have been to the orthopedic and have received the spinal injections which had me feeling great, but I know is just masking the issue. My thoughts on the Chiro was maybe they can adjust the back in a way where the disk was not putting pressure on the nerve, but I am not going to pay that much to find out. Right now it is manageable and I will try to give my back a rest and kill myself with cardio which might be the best thing for me at this time.

On another note....I am going up to the 4 caps/day starting today.
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
As you know, back problems suck and affect everything you do. Right now it is uncomfortable, but manageable. I am not taking any pain killers, but I am taking benadryl to help me sleep. I do pretty good at night excep when I decide to change sides and I let out a big UGH.

I know mine is a sciatica based on the pain radiating down my leg and left buttox. I have been to the orthopedic and have received the spinal injections which had me feeling great, but I know is just masking the issue. My thoughts on the Chiro was maybe they can adjust the back in a way where the disk was not putting pressure on the nerve, but I am not going to pay that much to find out. Right now it is manageable and I will try to give my back a rest and kill myself with cardio which might be the best thing for me at this time.

On another note....I am going up to the 4 caps/day starting today.
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This is the right idea.

As sh*tty as it may sound, your days of heavy lifting may be over for quite sometime. Doesn't mean you cant improve.
 
AE14 said:
Still looking good silver. Hope the back feels better. If it makes you feel better I destroyed my big toe yesterday. It looks like a grenade was dropped on it. Dropped a would table on it, and had to have the nail opened to drain it, and wouldn't you know, nothing to numb it. :).
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THAT SUX MAN! I don't feel good about anyone else injuring themselves. I bet you let out a cuss word or 500. That just sounds brutal!

jakellpet said:
Hiyo Silver - been in the wars mate? Nothing worse than injuries when you're in full swing - it's taken me over 3 months to fix my ankle. Stick to your guns :thumbsup:
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It really sucks that I re-injured it because I was feeling damn good and getting my legs strong again. I had no pain and was making serious progress again and then boom...pain is back.

Oh well, such is life. It won't keep me from hitting my goal of leaning down to 185lbs or below, but it might hamper my goal of building back to 200lbs after.
 
AE14 said:
Still looking good silver. Hope the back feels better. If it makes you feel better I destroyed my big toe yesterday. It looks like a grenade was dropped on it. Dropped a would table on it, and had to have the nail opened to drain it, and wouldn't you know, nothing to numb it. :).
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I used to perform self surgeries on my ingrown toenails, talk about painful :nervous:
 
Hang in there, Bro. Forget about deadlifts, maybe forever. There are ways around them and you can still look and feel great.

Two questions:
What is your ab training like? (Can you work abs now with this back injury?)
Do you stretch (now, be honest!:)

I've had nearly broken shoulder tendons, (clean and jerk went horribly wrong), and a back problem that I thought was permanent, so no squatting for a year.

The back problem was so serious I was booked for surgery. I did the following and avoided surgery completely, and was squatting in a month and half: Im not advising, Im just saying that if you change some things up, you could feel tons better.

I started:
A very basic stretching routine, morning and evening for 10 minutes. This is CRITICAL.
Abs. Slow up and slow down for as many sets as I needed to get a hundred reps. Just slow, squeezing reps 4 x a week. And it worked itself out.
Also massage therapy 2x a week. But this was just extra, because I could barely walk.

The chiropractor looked at my xrays and said I needed surgery, but took my money anyway trying to fix it. Until I got serious about ab training and stretching, nothing made a bit of difference.

Just a thought. And hey, even if it doesnt work for your back problem, well you'll have an nice sixer as a reward!
 
Brenn said:
Hang in there, Bro. Forget about deadlifts, maybe forever. There are ways around them and you can still look and feel great.

Two questions:
What is your ab training like? (Can you work abs now with this back injury?)
Do you stretch (now, be honest!:)

I've had nearly broken shoulder tendons, (clean and jerk went horribly wrong), and a back problem that I thought was permanent, so no squatting for a year.

The back problem was so serious I was booked for surgery. I did the following and avoided surgery completely, and was squatting in a month and half: Im not advising, Im just saying that if you change some things up, you could feel tons better.

I started:
A very basic stretching routine, morning and evening for 10 minutes. This is CRITICAL.
Abs. Slow up and slow down for as many sets as I needed to get a hundred reps. Just slow, squeezing reps 4 x a week. And it worked itself out.
Also massage therapy 2x a week. But this was just extra, because I could barely walk.

The chiropractor looked at my xrays and said I needed surgery, but took my money anyway trying to fix it. Until I got serious about ab training and stretching, nothing made a bit of difference.
Just a thought. And hey, even if it doesnt work for your back problem, well you'll have an nice sixer as a reward!
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This is very important Silver. I was told I needed surgery 10 years ago on my back(degenerated disk S1/L5). I said F that and really crushed my ABs and religiously stretch....hamstrings are a big area to focus on. I can't get out of bed in the morning without pulling my knees to my chest and loosening up the lower back area. Core strength is paramount here Silver! Do these while you rest the area and you will be able to get back to the heavy compounds again!
 
Brenn said:
Hang in there, Bro. Forget about deadlifts, maybe forever. There are ways around them and you can still look and feel great.

Two questions:
What is your ab training like? (Can you work abs now with this back injury?)
Do you stretch (now, be honest!:)

I've had nearly broken shoulder tendons, (clean and jerk went horribly wrong), and a back problem that I thought was permanent, so no squatting for a year.

The back problem was so serious I was booked for surgery. I did the following and avoided surgery completely, and was squatting in a month and half: Im not advising, Im just saying that if you change some things up, you could feel tons better.

I started:
A very basic stretching routine, morning and evening for 10 minutes. This is CRITICAL.
Abs. Slow up and slow down for as many sets as I needed to get a hundred reps. Just slow, squeezing reps 4 x a week. And it worked itself out.
Also massage therapy 2x a week. But this was just extra, because I could barely walk.

The chiropractor looked at my xrays and said I needed surgery, but took my money anyway trying to fix it. Until I got serious about ab training and stretching, nothing made a bit of difference.

Just a thought. And hey, even if it doesnt work for your back problem, well you'll have an nice sixer as a reward!
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Excellent post as always! I stretch, but not religiously enough. I need to start doing that daily as you did. Which stretches to you recommend?

I probably neglect my abs more than I should. At first it was due to soreness in the back and then when my back got better I started increasing my ab work, but probably nowhere near where you guys are. I will start toughing it out and start making a better effort to work my abs. How many days a week should I do ab work? Part of my justification for avoiding ab work is that I feel cardio is more beneficial to my goals than ab work so the 15 minutes I would do abs I add into my cardio time.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
This is very important Silver. I was told I needed surgery 10 years ago on my back(degenerated disk S1/L5). I said F that and really crushed my ABs and religiously stretch....hamstrings are a big area to focus on. I can't get out of bed in the morning without pulling my knees to my chest and loosening up the lower back area. Core strength is paramount here Silver! Do these while you rest the area and you will be able to get back to the heavy compounds again!
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The only good thing about being a fat ass and out of shape was I was never sore and never had any major injuries. This is the first time (minus a broken leg) that I have ever had to deal with a "sports injury". I will start making core more of a focus because from what the Dr told me getting my core solid is one of the few ways to get over my back injury.

Thx for the solid advice as always!!!!!!!!
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
Excellent post as always! I stretch, but not religiously enough. I need to start doing that daily as you did. Which stretches to you recommend?

I probably neglect my abs more than I should. At first it was due to soreness in the back and then when my back got better I started increasing my ab work, but probably nowhere near where you guys are. I will start toughing it out and start making a better effort to work my abs. How many days a week should I do ab work? Part of my justification for avoiding ab work is that I feel cardio is more beneficial to my goals than ab work so the 15 minutes I would do abs I add into my cardio time.
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People tend to think of abs as just a beach muscle... or that training your abs wont make any difference if you're overweight. Just isn't true. Its a huge muscle group, but people just neglect them entirely, or throw in 15 crunches at the end of the workout.

Give them a full day at the gym. Not like you're going to have very taxing leg and back days for awhile.
 
TimberLakers said:
People tend to think of abs as just a beach muscle... or that training your abs wont make any difference if you're overweight. Just isn't true. Its a huge muscle group, but people just neglect them entirely, or throw in 15 crunches at the end of the workout.

Give them a full day at the gym. Not like you're going to have very taxing leg and back days for awhile.
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The core muscles are just that....the core of everything else attached!! If they are weak then it does not matter how strong the rest are. And the stronger ABs will provide better support for your back!
 
Hey Silver,
I agree with all these guys. When I used to train athletes from many sports and athletic goals, I spent most of my time with them on the core: From the hip-flexors to the upper-abdominal area. This includes muscles in the front and back. The core is where the greatest athletes live!

If I had to guess, without seeing you lift or move, I'd say that as a guy who was heavy-set for a time, you probably had some pre-existing stress and compression on the back that affected your posture. This shortens your muscles a bit in the mid back and makes your belly stick out, even when you slim down, if you haven't got strong abs. More importantly, when you have an imbalance between the groups, (front and back), and you work the lower back, it shortens them more and you get injured as the muscles squeeze in an arc.
So:
You're already on track...The cardio is good. While you run, slightly flex your abs "downward" toward your groin, if you can get my meaning. Rather than just flexing them inward/upward. This will help straighten you up and take stress off the lower back.
Don't lean forward and let your belly hang loose. It is not much harder , and it doubles as an easy ab movement.

Do abs first in the workout: It's a non-specific warm-up and you know that you can't get to the "good stuff" in your training, unless you finish them first. :)

For abs, do a movement with your legs up on a bench or under something to keep them stable, but raised above the ground. I would NOT incorporate any twisting until your back feels better. But you definitely will later.

Put your hands on your sides (handles area) and push the abs down toward your groin as you breath out, and sit up. You'll only be able to raise yourself about halfway. Breath out at the top of the movement and fully squeeze the muscles. Do them SLOWLY. Squeeze up 3 count, 1-2 count down. NO MOMENTUM!

I'd say, do as many sets as you need to get 75 reps. Once you can do this in 3 or 4 sets, go to 100. Do it 3-4x a week. Once they are strong, every other workout.

As Timber said, once they are strong, you may consider giving them a day of their own. At first, for the back problem, do them 4 days at least to get the pressure off the back. and straighten you up, IMO.

Stretching:
Pull your knees to chest. Pull, relax, further, relax. for a 30 count, repeat until your back feels better.

Or lay on the floor, back to the ground, lift your legs over your head by pushing your hands into the floor. (or use the wall or sofa to get you there). Then just let your legs balance in the air, putting your hands on your lower back for stability. And RELAX. Relax your back and just keep relaxing it. Try to touch your toes to the ground. Be careful of your neck, your body willl be in a "C" position.

All there is to it, man! Morning and evening. Duration is up to you. I do it until mine feels better. Remember to just let it hang and relax.

Overall, if you don't like the last stretch above, just stretch it simply with knees to the chest. Consistency is key until the injury is gone. With abs too. Consistency is the thing, Bro!
 
I too had back pain that I tried to alleviate with a chiropractor, massage therapy, and stretching.

You know what cured my back pain? Strong abs. Every one of these guys is right.

Do hanging leg raises, side crunches, and slow exercise ball crunches, even weighted if you can bear it. That alone should blast those abs into shape.
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
THAT SUX MAN! I don't feel good about anyone else injuring themselves. I bet you let out a cuss word or 500. That just sounds brutal!
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a few bad words, and I was not pleased with the nurse, but as you said, such is life, we keep plugging along. I was already in lifting this afternoon :)
 
AE14 said:
a few bad words, and I was not pleased with the nurse, but as you said, such is life, we keep plugging along. I was already in lifting this afternoon :)
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Judging by some of your previous posts I don't think death will keep you out of the gym!!!!!!!!!
 
Day 11 and 12


Starting Weight: 198lbs
Day 7 Weight: 196lbs

Starting Measurements: Waist 36.75" Belly over belly button: 37.5"

Observations:

Day 12 I decided to up the dose to 4 caps per day. I actually felt a tad jittery at lunch, but it subsided. Besides that everything else is going great. I am not experiencing any stomach cramps anymore.

Supplements
Lean Fuel Extreme @ 4 caps/day (2 AM, 2 around 11AM)
Whey Protein
Multi Vitamin
Xtend on workout Days
Fish Oil @ 9 caps (I upped the dosage because my joints are sore)
Fiber Chewables



Food today:
Day 11
30g Protein shake
Small bowl of Frosted Flakes with skim milk (I know not the best cereal for you, but I love it!).
30g protien shake pre-workout
Workout consisted of shoulders and biceps
Lunch was a rotisserrie chicken, mixed veggies and new potatoes.
Snack was a Special K protein bar (180 calories and 10g protein)
Dinner was seasoned ground beef with squash and a small scoop of refried beans for flavor.

Day 12
30g protein shake
Oatmeal with pecans
Workout was pullups, hammer strength rows and 33 minutes on the elliptical
30g protein shake
lunch was a baked potatoe with chopped beef
snack was a protein bar
Dinner was fajita chicken with grilled onions on a whole wheat sandwhich wrap

Negatives:

Still battling with sleep, but I can't blame that on LFE. It is my back 100%.

Other Notes:

Weight is still moving in the right direction and today I was below my goal for the week which has me real and motivated for my sunday weigh in. I want to destroy my goal and suprise myself.
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
The only good thing about being a fat ass and out of shape was I was never sore and never had any major injuries.
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I relate with this all to well. I've had three surgeries due to sport injuries, including both shoulders and one knee. I'll stop working out when I'm dead. :684:

Great advice on the stretching and core work, Brenn!
 
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