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Homosexual behaviour widespread in animals according to new study

CDB said:
No, you just misunderstand logic. What you are posting is a mix of correlation being used to equal causation and post hoc ergo propter hoc.



The facts are subject to a shitload more interpretations than you are letting on. A prevelance of the disease in one demographic does not equal higher risk behavior in terms of higher promiscuity, as there a myriad of other factors which can cause such a difference in rates of infection, not the least of which is a high risk to the nature of the act of gay intercourse which would likely lead to higher rates of infection among them even if they were ****ing less often than heterosexuals.



See above.
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It all still stands. If you are so willing to call my logic flawed, then throw something up worth a damn rather than just trying to say I am wrong. I do not see why the CDC is taken as not a credible source, but if so, then damn well rebut them. You have done nothing to affirm your position but try and say mine is wrong.

Again:
Men who have sex with men

Men who have sex with men remain the group at greatest risk of becoming infected with HIV in the UK. Throughout the 1990s, there were modest falls in the number of new HIV diagnoses among this group, except in 1996 when highly active antiretroviral therapy first became widely available and the advantages of early diagnosis became clearer. Since 1999, the figures have risen again from fewer than 1,400 to more than 2,500 per year - the highest levels ever recorded. It is likely that this trend is mainly due to an increase in HIV testing, though a rise in high risk sexual behaviour may also be a contributory factor.1

As of the end of June 2008, 44,537 men who have sex with men have been diagnosed with HIV in the UK, including those who have died. It has been estimated that, at the end of 2008, about 38% of all people living with HIV in the UK were men who had sex with men.
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I brought a male dog home once from the pound. When he saw the neighbor's dog (male), he immediately ran across the street and began sucking him off, no formal introduction or anything. The other dog didn't seem to mind either.

Just thought you all might like to know this.
 
I belive that this thread was created to try and get some of us jesus freaks all riled up. Or some one just wanted to hear some truth, either way it goes it pointless. Its stupid to even try and rationalize homosexuality because animals do it. They are what they are, animals, beast and etc. Now if you want to compair your self to a animal thats fine with me, I know whos image I was created in. Also I hate when people talk about Jesus they try to turn it into Religion, for all my spiritual ignorant folks, Jesus wasnt religious. Now you are right when you say that relgion creates a lot of problems. Why ? Because Religion is man made not God made. just like theories and ideas that have produced no proof that God dosent exist. We all know that Jesus was a true living Person. There is all sorts of proof about that, Still havent found a Body though. Anyhow lets take what the Bible says out of this for a second and just base homosexualality on nature, well we cant because it goes aginst the very laws of nature. It holds no importance in even existing. The whole concept of nature and life is existance and continuing life, Not stopping it. We all know That homosexuality produces nothing, Its taken more lives than producing any. And for all the Darwinist, why havent we evolved to the point to where we can produce babies if it is in are nature. I mean surley nature would have adapted by now since we were created from nothing and have developed into to these complex beings. Let me school you about why Homosexuality is a sin and is anti God kids. In the very beginning God Told Adam and Eve to be fruitfull and to Multiply, and to fill the earth with other human beings, We will stop right there because as soon as satin heard this, he instantly wanted to stop the production of life, The whole old testament shows that the devil tries to polute the blood line that The Christ would be born From, so any how instead of allowing a life that has a choice to choose God, satin said lets just put a stop to this all together and there you have it. I mean satin is a homo and the bible tells us that the antichrist will be Homo, correct. And also for my spiritual ignorant folks, lets just look at a homosexuals manorisims and ways of acting. They all act the same even the down low cats, they try and hide it but if you have a gift of discernment you can see right through them. They act the same, talk the same walk the same like the same things because they are under the control of a demonic preverse spirit, so it shows who it is by the host actions. There are millions of homos that have never met and they act the same because they are infected by the same spirit. OH, what about lesbians, the same goes for them, they act the same exspeacialy the butch ones you can spot them from a mile away, its pretty unnatural, And goes aginst the laws of nature. A woman has a womb for a reason. I mean come on evolution you couldnt even evolve a mans rectum to produce lubrication for his life partner, since Homosexuality is normal. No a man had to make up lube for you so you would not tear your boyfreinds rectum all up oh the same for a womans rectum its a sin for a hetro man to stick it in his wifes rectum. Evolution your a mean creator you dont even love the gays, BOO! Man yall need to stop with these lies and open yall eyes, I dont care what yall got to say, yall are the ones being deceived keep playing around and yall gone be right with them gays and murders, liars, theives, phornacators, idoltarous, pedifiles, abortion doctors, obama and everyone else askin for a drop of water because they livin FOUL and dont want to repent. Once agin tha holy spirit had to lay it down, dont be made at me, im just the messenger. Hola at the one that said it first. Oh and Im not judging Im just sayin what most of yall ready know. I hate the sin and the deceiver not the sinner. I pray that they will change there ways.
 
Won't risk the headache reading that mess.

Dude...paragraphs are your friends.
 
dsade said:
Won't risk the headache reading that mess.

Dude...paragraphs are your friends.
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That dosent surprise me your one of the most lost on here. Good thing Paragraphs are not a requirement for salvation. Dont be scared, the truth will set you free.
 
dsade said:
Won't risk the headache reading that mess.

Dude...paragraphs are your friends.
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Dude dsade your telling me you will read all of the other pointless posts but you wont read this one? cmon man. He has good points. No there are not any links and studies that you like to be posted, but there are very good points.
 
madds87 said:
Dude dsade your telling me you will read all of the other pointless posts but you wont read this one? cmon man. He has good points. No there are not any links and studies that you like to be posted, but there are very good points.
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If the man has no desire to communicate in a clear manner, choosing instead to make a giant block of unformatted text (which is plain lazy and rude to potential readers), then I will indulge and not read.
 
dsade said:
If the man has no desire to communicate in a clear manner, choosing instead to make a giant block of unformatted text (which is plain lazy and rude to potential readers), then I will indulge and not read.
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Oh! There are manners in blogging im sorry. Didnt know this. Clearly noted.
 
dsade said:
If the man has no desire to communicate in a clear manner, choosing instead to make a giant block of unformatted text (which is plain lazy and rude to potential readers), then I will indulge and not read.
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All that arm in that avatar and you gone make a wek statement like that, Im gonna have start calling you popccorn muscles. On the real Dsade it aint even for you my guy, its for some one that wants some light. Im on the winning side, you putting up a fight that you cant win my guy.
 
Dsdade has a cold heart, its like pharoh when mosses was trying to tell him what God was doing, his heart was so cold and hard he couldnt understand. The more people try and refute the truth of the bible the harder ther heart gets. Ill pray for that dude tonight.
 
NattyT said:
Dsdade has a cold heart, its like pharoh when mosses was trying to tell him what God was doing, his heart was so cold and hard he couldnt understand. The more people try and refute the truth of the bible the harder ther heart gets. Ill pray for that dude tonight.
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this is so ignorant that it saddens me.

First, let me address something you said in that jumbled mess of a first post for you. Jesus wasnt religious? Not familiar with his story I presume. If the story (according to the gospels) is to be believed, he was a religious teacher and jewish scholar. Specifically knowledgeable of the OT. Hence the reason he was aware of what the "messiah" was going to do.

Additionally, regarding your post above, first spell pharaoh correctly. Next, if you are going to make any illicit reference to the exodus story, at least understand that the story is a fallacy. There is no evidence to that event at all. Its funny, according to the story, an all loving god killed an army of Egyptians, eventhough he was their creator and it created them in its own image. That is not an all loving god right there.

All seriousness Natty, if you want to add to the discussion, please do, but no more nonsensical drivel.
 
I could understand that if being homosexual was a choice, then one could burn for it according to the word..

But then that would mean God messed up when he created us:dunno:
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Having homosexuality carry over from evolution wasn't part of the plan either:dunno:.

BUT- species who didn't adapt to homosexuality (or more so a-sexuality) would have been wiped out when certian environmental factors arose... changign evolutions path. Who knows where that would have put us.

I'm in for it being all part of mature's shotgun approach, as usual.

I think society created this homosexuality being "unnatural"
The same way we do pedaphiles (becasue you know, at one point we only lived to be like 25..

The problem comes in when biological programming meets modern conditions.
so technically, your only a pedophile becasue we live longer,
your only gay becasue there aren't women around

You we just born at the wrong time- wich seems like a silly argument to make considering.
 
xtraflossy said:
I think society created this homosexuality being "unnatural"
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I believe nature produced the species know as man - hetrosexual. When I see scientific evidence of a penis ovulating and a uterus depositing its own sperm I'll be sold on the evolution of the species in order to prevent it's existinction.

Until then there is nothing natural reproductively about two men or two women engaging in sexual activity.

The premis of the social psychological aspects are barely reasonable. At some point we will justify everything we do because, well, we do it, so it must be OK - we must be OK - otherwise we're not, and that is socially-psycholgically proposterous :28:
 
NattyT said:
Dsdade has a cold heart, its like pharoh when mosses was trying to tell him what God was doing, his heart was so cold and hard he couldnt understand. The more people try and refute the truth of the bible the harder ther heart gets. Ill pray for that dude tonight.
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I'll pray that you present the word in a more comprehensable and flattering manner.

Rarely would one speak to an other man or woman that way to their face if they were witnessing to that person, so don't do so in text on a message board.

I think the way a Christian receives, responds, accepts and embraces the rejection of their witness is more telling about their Christianity then when they find their witness received with open arms.
 
DAdams91982 said:
THIS!

I can't even get through two lines before I go cross eyed.

Adams
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Yes, thank you both. That blurb was incomprehensible. Posts like that make you want to strike your monitor....[and then apologize, saying, "Don't worry baby, that'll never happen again, I was teh drunkz, I promises].
 
Exactly. I usually wear a tank-top with mustard stains on it when I use technology, as our relationship is simply abusive.
 
B5150 said:
I'll pray that you present the word in a more comprehensable and flattering manner.

Rarely would one speak to an other man or woman that way to their face if they were witnessing to that person, so don't do so in text on a message board.

I think the way a Christian receives, responds, accepts and embraces the rejection of their witness is more telling about their Christianity then when they find their witness received with open arms.
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I understand what your saying, but Dsade and I have had talks befor, Im not on here to belittle anyone, nor do I get on here to impress people with my typing and punctuation or big fancy words. There is no witnessing in this message. Witnessing is telling some one about salvation thrue jesus. Disputing homosexuality is a whole nother thing, rather some one understands it or not its out of love for me. I could do other things than talk to some one over a computer that tries to bash god and discredit the bible everytime they get the chance. There is no way to present the word in a flattering manner to people that clearly have a distaste for it. People are marterd and killed all the time for speaking the word of god. The bible said that the word is sharper then a two edged sword and it cuts through bone and marrow.

Conviction is not flattering it either causes you to repent or get angry. The truth is the truth and no matter how you cut it there is only two results. As christans either were going to stand up and be bold as Apostle Paul spoke on or were going to be soft and cowerdly and wait on the rapture to come so we wont have to confront the world.

Jesus said a lot of things that was offensive to the people in his day, did he hold his toung, I dont belive so. Either way if your a beliver then your a brother of mine so Im not going to dispute this with you. I ll keep doing things my way and you do it yours. God bless. Oh and guess what I used paragrphs everybody.
 
DAdams91982 said:
THIS!

I can't even get through two lines before I go cross eyed.

Adams
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Well you should Dadams, your sapose to be a beliver correct. I may not type as well and spell as well as the rest of you, and thats fine. Im on here trying to promote truth and not blend in and comppromise. Im a grown man so taking shots at me about my computer skills and typing dont bother me at the least. Thank God that he gave men the wisdome to produce word perfect and spell check.
 
DO you know what would have taken about 15seconds of effort? Typing your posts into the most rudimentary email or word processing program then hitting spellcheck.

Then, copypaste into the reply box - voila, clear communication.

Like I said...just lazy.
 
And often the quality of a message is judged (whether justifiably or not) by the quality of its messenger or delivery of the message. Perhaps it is judging a book by its cover, but everyone on the planet will die someday, and we all have more that we want to accomplish than we have time for. So its easy to choose to not read something you can tell at a glance you'll have to re-read 3-4x to figure out punctuation and paragraphs.
 
NattyT said:
I understand what your saying, but Dsade and I have had talks befor, Im not on here to belittle anyone, nor do I get on here to impress people with my typing and punctuation or big fancy words. There is no witnessing in this message. Witnessing is telling some one about salvation thrue jesus. Disputing homosexuality is a whole nother thing, rather some one understands it or not its out of love for me. I could do other things than talk to some one over a computer that tries to bash god and discredit the bible everytime they get the chance. There is no way to present the word in a flattering manner to people that clearly have a distaste for it. People are marterd and killed all the time for speaking the word of god. The bible said that the word is sharper then a two edged sword and it cuts through bone and marrow.

Conviction is not flattering it either causes you to repent or get angry. The truth is the truth and no matter how you cut it there is only two results. As christans either were going to stand up and be bold as Apostle Paul spoke on or were going to be soft and cowerdly and wait on the rapture to come so we wont have to confront the world.

Jesus said a lot of things that was offensive to the people in his day, did he hold his toung, I dont belive so. Either way if your a beliver then your a brother of mine so Im not going to dispute this with you. I ll keep doing things my way and you do it yours. God bless. Oh and guess what I used paragrphs everybody.
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I don't speak to Dsade. He has coodies.

The way you conduct yourself in word or text is a witness to Christ.

The truth of the words we speak cut like a two edged sword - not you. The truth can go wasted by the way in which you deliver it. Jesus convicted and offended in and on principle not in the manner in which he delivered it.

Boldness is not rudeness and offensiveness.

The great commision of Jesus - "Go and make discilples of all nations" is not shove it down their throat and offenend the **** out of them if they do not agree or accept it. Only the Holy Spirit can convict a man.
 
B5150 said:
I don't speak to Dsade. He has coodies.

The way you conduct yourself in word or text is a witness to Christ.

The truth of the words we speak cut like a two edged sword - not you. The truth can go wasted by the way in which you deliver it. Jesus convicted and offended in and on principle not in the manner in which he delivered it.

Boldness is not rudeness and offensiveness.

The great commision of Jesus - "Go and make discilples of all nations" is not shove it down their throat and offenend the **** out of them if they do not agree or accept it. Only the Holy Spirit can convict a man.
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Could not agree more with this.

Natty, if you wish for your words to be received - which you do, or you would not speak them - you need to package them more articulately.
 
AE14 said:
this is so ignorant that it saddens me.

First, let me address something you said in that jumbled mess of a first post for you. Jesus wasnt religious? Not familiar with his story I presume. If the story (according to the gospels) is to be believed, he was a religious teacher and jewish scholar. Specifically knowledgeable of the OT. Hence the reason he was aware of what the "messiah" was going to do.

Additionally, regarding your post above, first spell pharaoh correctly. Next, if you are going to make any illicit reference to the exodus story, at least understand that the story is a fallacy. There is no evidence to that event at all. Its funny, according to the story, an all loving god killed an army of Egyptians, eventhough he was their creator and it created them in its own image. That is not an all loving god right there.

All seriousness Natty, if you want to add to the discussion, please do, but no more nonsensical drivel.
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That being ignorant is your opinion my freind. This is not the first thread were I have spoken with Dsade so i said that based on past times as well. That is clearly my opinion as well to say what I said so dont knock me.

Now what is Ignorant is you saying that the exodus story is a fallacy. I mean you stated that like you have proof or you have found out somthing that no one else knows. Come on buddy, lets get real. Oh you must of watched the history channel or somthing and got that wordly wisdom from there. There is more proof that it did happen than it didnt. They have found all sorts of artifacts at the bottom of the sea and a host of other things that show that the exodus did happen. The story is even told in the carvings of some of trhe pyramids.

God is loving but that dosent mean that he cant envoke his wrath on your disobediance. He gave the Egyptians plenty of chances thrue the signs that were performed. They still chose, so they had to bite the bullet.

First of all your just a man that is made of dirt, nothing more then that. Your life span is short and once your gone then what. How can a man have the ordasity to try and judge God because he chose to do what he had done. How can the creation try and tell the Creator what is wrong, either you roll our get rolled on. With all the wicked ness in the world today is because of the Grace of God that he has let us remain this long. If he didnt love man kind then he would have done away with us. Its like a Dog and his owner that keeps getting bit by his dog, how many times you gone let that dog bite you befor you put his tail to sleep. God has compasion but hes no fool, and it dosent take a rocket scientist to see that this world is getting worse day by day, and there is no way we as human beings can change it. Unless God intervines we will destroy our selves.

The thing that is funny (not realy) is that you dont have a clue. The devil has people so blind that they act as if he dosent exist. He stays in the background using you guys to spread his lies. Then you pointing the finger at God as if hes the problem. I remember a movie that said the greatest trick the devil ever played was making people belive he didnt exist.

The thing you guys have to stop doing is trying to explain what is spiritual by wordly natural wisdom. You cant do it, and trying to is ignorant. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing and getting the same negative results. Stop the insanity please.:wave2:
 
NattyT said:
That being ignorant is your opinion my freind. This is not the first thread were I have spoken with Dsade so i said that based on past times as well. That is clearly my opinion as well to say what I said so dont knock me.

Now what is Ignorant is you saying that the exodus story is a fallacy. I mean you stated that like you have proof or you have found out somthing that no one else knows. Come on buddy, lets get real. Oh you must of watched the history channel or somthing and got that wordly wisdom from there. There is more proof that it did happen that it didnt. They have found all sorts of artifacts at the battom of the sea and a host of other things that show that the exodus did happen. The story is even told in the carvings of some of trhe pyramids.

God is loving but that dosent mean that he cant envoke his wrath on your disobediance. He gave the Egyptians plenty of chances thrue the signs that were performed. They still chose, so they had to bite the bullet.

First of all your just a man that is made of dirt, nothing more then that. Your life span is short and once your gone then what. How can a man have the ordasity to try and judge God because he chose to do what he had done. How can the creation try and tell the Creator what is wrong, either you roll our get rolled on. With all the wicked ness in the world today is because of the Grace of God that he has let us remain this long. If he didnt love man kind then he would have done away with us. Its like a Dog and his owner that keeps getting bit by his dog, how many times you gone let that dog bite you befor you put his tail to sleep. God has compasion but hes no fool, and it dosent take a rocket scientist to see that this world is getting worse day by day, and there is no way we as human beings can change it. Unless God intervines we will destroy our selves.

The thing that is funny (not realy) is that you dont have a clue. The devil has people so blind that they act as if he dosent exist. He stays in the background using you guys to spread his lies. Then you pointing the finger at God as if hes the problem. I remember a movie that said the greatest trick the devil ever played was making people belive he didnt exist.

The thing you guys have to stop doing is trying to explain what is spiritual by wordly natural wisdom. You cant do it, and trying to is ignorant. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing and getting the same negative results. Stop the insanity please.:wave2:
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And yet, somehow by some faculty YOU have seen through all the lies and can explain everything in a useful manner.

"trust me" is not evidence of anything but your own arrogance.
 
B5150 said:
I don't speak to Dsade. He has coodies.

The way you conduct yourself in word or text is a witness to Christ.

The truth of the words we speak cut like a two edged sword - not you. The truth can go wasted by the way in which you deliver it. Jesus convicted and offended in and on principle not in the manner in which he delivered it.

Boldness is not rudeness and offensiveness.

The great commision of Jesus - "Go and make discilples of all nations" is not shove it down their throat and offenend the **** out of them if they do not agree or accept it. Only the Holy Spirit can convict a man.
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So what have I said that is out of line. I have not spoken anything of my self. And my testemonie is my witness that christ lives in me freind. Diying to my self daily helps me to be more like Christ, I could use slanders and curse words or **** things like that to get my point across, but I dont. I just speak what the word says. Boldness will offend and sound rude to some, the word says in the last days many will follow false doctrines because they have itching ears and dont want to be offende and convicted of the sinful life style they choose to live. And jesus did shove it down there throats everyday until they killed him. He was in the streets and Synagogues everyday saying what many didnt want to hear. That didnt stop him, even when he knew his life was on the line.

True Jesus was the lamb when he was here, but hes gonna be the lion of judah when he returns. And will smite all the nations that try to rise up aginst him. Love is not being passive and soft, its speaking the truth no matter what ome one will say or feel because you care that much to tell people what they need to hear and not what they want. When you start to cmporomise you begin to loose yourself.

Oh and what about when Jesus told the people that he was of his father God, and they were of there father the devil. Now if that aint gonna offend some people then I dont know what will. Or What about when he cleared out the synagogue because they were buying and selling in them. It says that he cleared it out with a whip and turned over and flipped tables because of what was going on. Lets stop trying to make jesus this soft passive man that went to the cross kicking and screaming.
 
dsade said:
And yet, somehow by some faculty YOU have seen through all the lies and can explain everything in a useful manner.

"trust me" is not evidence of anything but your own arrogance.
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And if the bible is my arrogance then so be it. I boast in the lord not of myself. I told you Im just the messenger. I am a sinner saved by Gods grace. You should get like me.
 
NattyT said:
And if the bible is my arrogance then so be it. I boast in the lord not of myself. I told you Im just the messenger. I am a sinner saved by Gods grace. You should get like me.
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I'd rather drink bleach...but can you then go back to your first post in this thread and cite chapter and verse for everything you put? I'd like to read the part in the bible where is specifically describes Satins (sic - satin is a material, satan is the devil) homosexuality.

And since this thread IS about not being afraid of the truth, how about staying on topic and tackling the issue of natural behaviour and animal observation showing homosexual practive TO be natural behaviour in some.
 
B5150 said:
I don't speak to Dsade. He has coodies.

The way you conduct yourself in word or text is a witness to Christ.

The truth of the words we speak cut like a two edged sword - not you. The truth can go wasted by the way in which you deliver it. Jesus convicted and offended in and on principle not in the manner in which he delivered it.

Boldness is not rudeness and offensiveness.

The great commision of Jesus - "Go and make discilples of all nations" is not shove it down their throat and offenend the **** out of them if they do not agree or accept it. Only the Holy Spirit can convict a man.
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Very well said, a misunderstanding i wish i learned earlier.

This has been a very interesting discussion, really enjoy everyone's input. This is such a huge issue for me with my faith...I hate how the church has dealt with homosexuality. Two days ago a friend came out of the closet and told me his experiences dealing with it in the church and it really saddened me. I gave him a hug and apologized on behalf of all the unloving people. Even though i believe the bible is clear on acting out homosexual desires, it's so important to have every action motivated by love, not for me to just be "right" in a discussion.
 
dsade said:
I'd rather drink bleach...but can you then go back to your first post in this thread and cite chapter and verse for everything you put? I'd like to read the part in the bible where is specifically describes Satins (sic - satin is a material, satan is the devil) homosexuality.

And since this thread IS about not being afraid of the truth, how about staying on topic and tackling the issue of natural behaviour and animal observation showing homosexual practive TO be natural behaviour in some.
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Well Dsade wasnt it you who made a comment in the beginning of the post about how you were surprised no christans had not chimed in yet, or somthing to that nature. Come on this topic was started to start a debate about Homosexuals and it being wrong, therefor trying to some how justify it by the fact that some animals have induldged in this behavior.
 
NattyT said:
Well Dsade wasnt it you who made a comment in the beginning of the post about how you were surprised no christans had not chimed in yet, or somthing to that nature. Come on this topic was started to start a debate about Homosexuals and it being wrong, therefor trying to some how justify it by the fact that some animals have induldged in this behavior.
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No that wasn't me.

And the point was that the argument that homosexuality is unnatural, and THEREFORE wrong that is being attacked here. If unnatural is the only criteria for judging something wrong (or even a premise used to form that conclusion) then it has been demonstrated that it IS natural, and the intellectually honest (meaning not those truly following the apostle Paul, and lying in order to win converts) must now STOP using that premise, as it is false.
 
Burner said:
Very well said, a misunderstanding i wish i learned earlier.

This has been a very interesting discussion, really enjoy everyone's input. This is such a huge issue for me with my faith...I hate how the church has dealt with homosexuality. Two days ago a friend came out of the closet and told me his experiences dealing with it in the church and it really saddened me. I gave him a hug and apologized on behalf of all the unloving people. Even though i believe the bible is clear on acting out homosexual desires, it's so important to have every action motivated by love, not for me to just be "right" in a discussion.
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And I undersatnd what your saying, I have a brother who is gay and possilbly has AIDs ( im not a 100% sure), I dont hate him or dislike him. That will not stop me from saying that he will go to hell if he dosent get deliverd from this lifestyle, no matter how he may feel. Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him no matter who you have to leave behind, he said his mother and brother and sisters were those that did Gods will not the worlds. Does the bible say or not that it is a abomination to live a homosexual lifestyle, yes or no. That puts it in a whole nother catagory of sin. Abomination, look it up if you dont have a full understanding. The word clearly says not deal with unbelivers and brothers and sisters that say they are christans yet live a lifestyle opposit of the word.
Light can not mingle with darkness.
 
dsade said:
No that wasn't me.

And the point was that the argument that homosexuality is unnatural, and THEREFORE wrong that is being attacked here. If unnatural is the only criteria for judging something wrong (or even a premise used to form that conclusion) then it has been demonstrated that it IS natural, and the intellectually honest (meaning not those truly following the apostle Paul, and lying in order to win converts) must now STOP using that premise, as it is false.
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Unnatural or unethicle or unholy or down write sinful, they all go hand in hand. And since Homosexulaity is more of a ethicle topic, it is unavoidable to not speak on what the bible says. I mean that is were the belif that homosexuality is wrong came from. Correct.
 
NattyT said:
And I undersatnd what your saying, I have a brother who is gay and possilbly has AIDs ( im not a 100% sure), I dont hate him or dislike him. That will not stop me from saying that he will go to hell if he dosent get deliverd from this lifestyle, no matter how he may feel. Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him no matter who you have to leave behind, he said his mother and brother and sisters were those that did Gods will not the worlds. Does the bible say or not that it is a abomination to live a homosexual lifestyle, yes or no. That puts it in a whole nother catagory of sin. Abomination, look it up if you dont have a full understanding. The word clearly says not deal with unbelivers and brothers and sisters that say they are christans yet live a lifestyle opposit of the word.
Light can not mingle with darkness.
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Do not deal with them...and yet somehow witness to them and love them as thyself?


Do you really not see the contradiction you just typed? Do you REALLY not see it, and understand why anyone who has any respect for logical consistency just discarded pretty much anything you have to say from now on?
 
NattyT said:
Unnatural or unethicle or unholy or down write sinful, they all go hand in hand. And since Homosexulaity is more of a ethicle topic, it is unavoidable to not speak on what the bible says. I mean that is were the belif that homosexuality is wrong came from. Correct.
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You didn't read my post.

Basically, anyone from now on that claims that homosexuality being unnatural is even a portion of the reason it is "wrong" is being intellectually dishonest.
 
NattyT said:
And I undersatnd what your saying, I have a brother who is gay and possilbly has AIDs ( im not a 100% sure), I dont hate him or dislike him. That will not stop me from saying that he will go to hell if he dosent get deliverd from this lifestyle, no matter how he may feel. Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him no matter who you have to leave behind, he said his mother and brother and sisters were those that did Gods will not the worlds. Does the bible say or not that it is a abomination to live a homosexual lifestyle, yes or no. That puts it in a whole nother catagory of sin. Abomination, look it up if you dont have a full understanding. The word clearly says not deal with unbelivers and brothers and sisters that say they are christans yet live a lifestyle opposit of the word.
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The light does not mingle with darkness...it lights the darkness.

Christ himself lived with, ate with, and called friend many sinners, prostitutes, tax collector and worse. If a doctor is repulsed by sickness to the point that he cannot keep company with it how then can he treat it.

1 Corinthians 13

Love

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
 
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