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bald eagle

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I am now 4 weeks into my TO-cycle and PCT is coming up. I will do 2nd Gear, IGF-2, Drive, Bio Mend, Omega Essentials, NAC, Neovar, Complete Balance and Prostate Support. I have been reading several threads regarding PCT and different alternatives. I have some Cissus and Acetyl L-Carnitine sitting around, I wonder if it would be beneficial to add like 3 grams ALC and 1-2 grams of Cissus to my PCT as described above or would that be overkill? Too many supps? Potentially negative effects and/or less effective PCT?
 
bald eagle said:
I am now 4 weeks into my TO-cycle and PCT is coming up. I will do 2nd Gear, IGF-2, Drive, Bio Mend, Omega Essentials, NAC, Neovar, Complete Balance and Prostate Support. I have been reading several threads regarding PCT and different alternatives. I have some Cissus and Acetyl L-Carnitine sitting around, I wonder if it would be beneficial to add like 3 grams ALC and 1-2 grams of Cissus to my PCT as described above or would that be overkill? Too many supps? Potentially negative effects and/or less effective PCT?
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Adding in 3g ALC and 1-2g Cissus would be excellent, and not overkill at all.

What you have is fine re PCT. The only supplements I would take out are NAC and Prostate Support, as they're not really necessary (but you can use if you wish).
 
I will then add the ALC and Cissus. Also - I am planning om running this PCT for 30 days, equivalent to the time on-cycle. Do you think 30 days of this PCT is enough to fully recover or is it advisable to stay on a little bit longer for any of the supps, like Drive or IGF-2 maybe?
 
bald eagle said:
I will then add the ALC and Cissus. Also - I am planning om running this PCT for 30 days, equivalent to the time on-cycle. Do you think 30 days of this PCT is enough to fully recover or is it advisable to stay on a little bit longer for any of the supps, like Drive or IGF-2 maybe?
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30 days is adequate enough for PCT (a bottle of 2nd GEAR lasts 30 days).

However, with Drive and IGF-2 I would actually recommend using them both for 8-10 weeks to make the most of them. Note that you begin using Drive at the start of your last week on-cycle.
 
OK. I wasn't aware I was supposed to bridge it. I have done 28 days of TO now and have two more days to go before PCT. I will kick off Drive tomorrow which will give me a bridge of two days, kind of short maybe but not much to do about that now. Is bridging Drive for the last week recommended in regards of the efficiency of the actual PCT or is it more from a maximum muscle gain-perspective point of view?
 
bald eagle said:
OK. I wasn't aware I was supposed to bridge it. I have done 28 days of TO now and have two more days to go before PCT. I will kick off Drive tomorrow which will give me a bridge of two days, kind of short maybe but not much to do about that now. Is bridging Drive for the last week recommended in regards of the efficiency of the actual PCT or is it more from a maximum muscle gain-perspective point of view?
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If you start Drive now you're still fine. The reason for bridging Drive for the last week of your cycle is because it takes 7-10 days to kick in; therefore, if you use pre-PCT it should have kicked in BY PCT.
 
Hi Guejsn,

Could you take a look at my PCT schedule to see if it's appropriate? I weigh 215-220, my PCT supplements are Drive, IGF-2, Neovar and 2cd Gear, plus antioxidants/multi/fish oil.

---Resistance Training Days---

Morning

1. Drive - Dose 1
a. 4 caps first thing in the morning (i.e. with Dose 1 of IGF-2)
2. IGF-2 - Dose 1
a. 3 caps on waking first thing in the morning, 45 minutes before a meal.

Gym

3. Drive - Dose 2
a. 3 caps ~60-80 min pre-gym
i. Have a light snack at same time take IGF-2 (about 45 min)
4. IGF-2
a. 4 capsules about 45 minutes pre-workout on an empty stomach.
5. Neovar
a. Dose 1 - 3 caps 40 min pre-gym
b. Dose 2 - 3 caps immediate post- work out
i. Post-work out
1. 30-50 grams of protein—can be taken with dose
2. 50-100 grams of simple carbohydrates – no later than
15-20 minutes
Evening

6. IGF-2 – Dose 3
a. 4 capsules before sleep on an empty stomach.
7. 2cd Gear - Dose 1
a. last thing at night before you go to bed.


---Non-Resistance Training Days---

Morning

1. IGF-2 - Dose 1
a. 4 caps first thing in the morning (i.e. with Dose 1 of Drive)
i. 30 Minutes Before Breakfast
2. Drive - Dose 1
a. 4 caps first thing in the morning (i.e. with Dose 1 of IGF-2)
i. 30 Minutes Before Breakfast
3. NeoVar - Dose 1
a. 1 cap
i. 15-20 Minutes Before Breakfast (should contain at least 50g of carbohydrate)

Afternoon

1. Drive - Dose 2
a. 3 caps 6-8 hours after first dose
2. IGF-2 - Dose 2
a. 4 capsules in the afternoon on an empty stomach, about 45 minutes before
a meal.
3. NeoVar - Dose 2
a. 2 caps- 15-20 minutes before another meal (should contain at least 50g of
carbohydrate) during the day

Evening

1. IGF-2 - Dose 3
a. 4 capsules before sleep on an empty stomach


Thanks for the help
 
FATRABBIT said:
Hi Guejsn,

Could you take a look at my PCT schedule to see if it's appropriate? I weigh 215-220, my PCT supplements are Drive, IGF-2, Neovar and 2cd Gear, plus antioxidants/multi/fish oil.

---Resistance Training Days---

Morning

1. Drive - Dose 1
a. 4 caps first thing in the morning (i.e. with Dose 1 of IGF-2)
2. IGF-2 - Dose 1
a. 3 caps on waking first thing in the morning, 45 minutes before a meal.

Gym

3. Drive - Dose 2
a. 3 caps ~60-80 min pre-gym
i. Have a light snack at same time take IGF-2 (about 45 min)
4. IGF-2
a. 4 capsules about 45 minutes pre-workout on an empty stomach.
5. Neovar
a. Dose 1 - 3 caps 40 min pre-gym
b. Dose 2 - 3 caps immediate post- work out
i. Post-work out
1. 30-50 grams of protein—can be taken with dose
2. 50-100 grams of simple carbohydrates – no later than
15-20 minutes
Evening

6. IGF-2 – Dose 3
a. 4 capsules before sleep on an empty stomach.
7. 2cd Gear - Dose 1
a. last thing at night before you go to bed.


---Non-Resistance Training Days---

Morning

1. IGF-2 - Dose 1
a. 4 caps first thing in the morning (i.e. with Dose 1 of Drive)
i. 30 Minutes Before Breakfast
2. Drive - Dose 1
a. 4 caps first thing in the morning (i.e. with Dose 1 of IGF-2)
i. 30 Minutes Before Breakfast
3. NeoVar - Dose 1
a. 1 cap
i. 15-20 Minutes Before Breakfast (should contain at least 50g of carbohydrate)

Afternoon

1. Drive - Dose 2
a. 3 caps 6-8 hours after first dose
2. IGF-2 - Dose 2
a. 4 capsules in the afternoon on an empty stomach, about 45 minutes before
a meal.
3. NeoVar - Dose 2
a. 2 caps- 15-20 minutes before another meal (should contain at least 50g of
carbohydrate) during the day

Evening

1. IGF-2 - Dose 3
a. 4 capsules before sleep on an empty stomach


Thanks for the help
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Your IGF-2 and NeoVar dosing are off.

This is what your dosing/timing should look like:

2nd GEAR
Dose - 1 cap last thing at night

IGF-2
Resistance Training Days
Dose 1 - 3 caps first thing in the morning (i.e. with Drive Dose 1)
Dose 2 - 3 caps ~40 min pre-resistance training
Dose 3 - 2 caps last thing at night (i.e. with 2nd GEAR Dose)
Non-Resistance Training Days
Dose 1 - 4 caps first thing in the morning (i.e. with Drive Dose 1)
Dose 2 - 4 caps last thing at night (i.e. with 2nd GEAR Dose)

Drive
Resistance Training Days
Dose 1 - 4 caps first thing in the morning (i.e. with IGF-2 Dose 1)
Dose 2 - 3 caps 60-80 minutes pre-resistance training
Non-Resistance Training Days
Dose 1 - 4 caps first thing in the morning (i.e. with IGF-2 Dose 1)
Dose 2 - 3 caps 6-8 hours after Dose 1

NeoVar Recomped
Resistance Training Days
Dose 1 - 3 caps immediate post-resistance training AND THEN EAT A MEAL CONTAINING ~50g CARBOHYDRATES 15-20 MINUTES AFTERWARDS
Dose 2 - 3 caps 15-20 minutes pre-meal with at least 50g carbohydrates (either earlier or later in the day)
Non-Resistance Training Days
Dose 1 - 3 caps 15-20 minutes pre-meal (i.e. breakfast) with at least 50g carbohydrates
Dose 2 - 3 caps 15-20 minutes pre-meal (i.e. lunch or dinner) with at least 50g carbohydrates


~Rosie
Team APPNUT
 
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good info

30 days is adequate enough for PCT (a bottle of 2nd GEAR lasts 30 days).

"However, with Drive and IGF-2 I would actually recommend using them both for 8-10 weeks to make the most of them. Note that you begin using Drive at the start of your last week on-cycle. "

so PCT itself is really as long as the ON CYLE, but...........with the drive and igf-2 youre running it longer. i was thinking you took 2nd gear for that long also. im learnin, im learnin.
 
ctAL said:
bumping this for later

good info

30 days is adequate enough for PCT (a bottle of 2nd GEAR lasts 30 days).

"However, with Drive and IGF-2 I would actually recommend using them both for 8-10 weeks to make the most of them. Note that you begin using Drive at the start of your last week on-cycle. "

so PCT itself is really as long as the ON CYLE, but...........with the drive and igf-2 youre running it longer. i was thinking you took 2nd gear for that long also. im learnin, im learnin.
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You run 2nd GEAR for 30 days. 30 days is the length of your PCT.

However, to get the most out of both Drive and IGF-2 you really need to run them for 8 weeks, which is why it is recommended to (this doesn't meant hat your PCT ends up being 8 weeks).

You can also run 2nd GEAR for a further 4 weeks with the Dive and IGF-2 as a natural anabolic stack (this also doesn't mean that your PCT ends up being 8 weeks).


~Rosie
Team APPNUT
 
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