Helping a friend with m-drol

muffinman

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Hey everyone, I have only posted here one other time but have been a member for a while and this is the only place I trust to research stuff, learn and get info.

Anyways, a friend of mine came to me recently since I am the only one he knows who is not completely ignorant about PH/PS and said he is probably going to do an m-drol cycle and he was talking about stacking it with something. I obviously told him that's pretty dumb but I know it wouldn't be past him to go and do it anyway. So I told him to hold off and explained a few things to him about why that's not smart and told him I would try to list out a cycle with support supplements and a good pct for just m-drol. He backed off and said that would be cool if I could do that for him. I have not put anything together yet but I just wanted to ask all you knowledgeable guys here if some kind of bridge in to m-drol is worth it like running epi and bringing into the m-drol in the fourth week or something. I'm not asking so that I can suggest this to him, only asking just in case he is gonna do some stack regardless.

I'm sorry for the long post but I just feel that if I know one of my friends is gonna do something bad no matter what, I am obligated to try and keep him as safe as possible.

Thanks guys
 
Epi 3 weeks 20/20/10 mdrol 3 weeks 10/20/20. if he's going to do it anyway, tell him to run it like this. it will keep the mgs. down and still give him good gains, assuming he knows how to eat and train, which i'm not so sure he does. i used to be from the "camp" that would say things like "don't do it" but i know the type that your talking about, i have a friend like that too, so i would rather suggest a conservative cycle then say nothing at all here. he should have AI's cycle support (2 tubs) tell him to run it for one week before the cycle even begins, during cycle and after till both tubs are gone. aside from that, sleep, eat and train smart. and lets hope he does not go to much over the dosages that i listed here, it's better to tell him to start with these mgs. cause he might be inclined to "up" them anyway, in this case, they will still be low, hopefully low enough
 
Cycle support plus I like to throw in a separate milk thistle supp. Hopefully he's taking a multivitamin daily already. Post cycle support is good during PCT. He should get some nolva (30/20/20/10) and TRS from PP.
 
lennoxchi said:
Epi 3 weeks 20/20/10 mdrol 3 weeks 10/20/20. if he's going to do it anyway, tell him to run it like this. it will keep the mgs. down and still give him good gains, assuming he knows how to eat and train, which i'm not so sure he does. i used to be from the "camp" that would say things like "don't do it" but i know the type that your talking about, i have a friend like that too, so i would rather suggest a conservative cycle then say nothing at all here. he should have AI's cycle support (2 tubs) tell him to run it for one week before the cycle even begins, during cycle and after till both tubs are gone. aside from that, sleep, eat and train smart. and lets hope he does not go to much over the dosages that i listed here, it's better to tell him to start with these mgs. cause he might be inclined to "up" them anyway, in this case, they will still be low, hopefully low enough
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Thanks for the input, the cycle support was going to be a must since I'm involved and I also would have made sure he preloaded it so I'm glad I am on the same page with that. I have also been slowly pounding in to his head that just because you take more of something in no way means more or better gains/results so I think he will listen to whatever I suggest to him.

Thanks again
 
CrazyChemist said:
Cycle support plus I like to throw in a separate milk thistle supp. Hopefully he's taking a multivitamin daily already. Post cycle support is good during PCT. He should get some nolva (30/20/20/10) and TRS from PP.
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I was actually gonna have him get the m-drol + Cycle Support + Post Cycle support bundle at nutra when he buys all the stuff he will need. As for his PCT I was going to have him get either nolva or torem along with the few other things he will need.

Thanks for the input CC
 
It's a heavy oral cycle but it's not too bad. I ran Epi into SD before like this:

EPI 30/30/40/40
SD 00/00/00/10/20/20/30

even in week 7 my libido was fine and the only negative side i can really speak of were back pumps, but they were usually just once a week and not too bad, considering I wasn't running any taurine.

For this guy he'll probably want to run it lower. I like to think all dosages should scale linearly with your bodyweight. What lennoxchi said is fine, though i would increase the Epi to 20/30/20 because most people who try 20mg immediately move up.

It's too bad if he's the type to "do it anyway" and not listen to reason. I just think if his stats are really not there, then he won't know the success of proper diet and training first, but only know that steroids work and keep down that path
 
UnrealMachine said:
It's a heavy oral cycle but it's not too bad. I ran Epi into SD before like this:

EPI 30/30/40/40
SD 00/00/00/10/20/20/30

even in week 7 my libido was fine and the only negative side i can really speak of were back pumps, but they were usually just once a week and not too bad, considering I wasn't running any taurine.

For this guy he'll probably want to run it lower. I like to think all dosages should scale linearly with your bodyweight. What lennoxchi said is fine, though i would increase the Epi to 20/30/20 because most people who try 20mg immediately move up.

It's too bad if he's the type to "do it anyway" and not listen to reason. I just think if his stats are really not there, then he won't know the success of proper diet and training first, but only know that steroids work and keep down that path
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So how much did you gain from your cycle if you don't mind me asking? His stats are there for the most part I would say and he has done a few cycles with OTC PCT's without my input. He is just like a lot of people out there who don't have any idea about the magnitude of these types of compounds so thankfully he trusts me and will listen to what I have to say.

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it.
 
ah, my gains were good but i didn't make any gains at all while on the Epi so it was more like a 4 week SD cycle, i gained 15 pounds in those 4 weeks.
 
felt fine through the cycle, through pct, post cycle... never had any problems. my pct was only toremifene. it worked but i preach clomid these days cuz for me it works better. I'm about 3 weeks post PCT from my last cycle, and i used clomid for PCT and i've still got acne problems from when my natural test shot up in PCT.
 
UnrealMachine said:
felt fine through the cycle, through pct, post cycle... never had any problems. my pct was only toremifene. it worked but i preach clomid these days cuz for me it works better. I'm about 3 weeks post PCT from my last cycle, and i used clomid for PCT and i've still got acne problems from when my natural test shot up in PCT.
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Well I guess that's a good thing ha ha. I was leaning towards having him use torem but that depends on his money situation. Where did you start your dosing at with the clomid, around 100?
 
i am doing a p-plex/ m-drol cycle in a few weeks that looks like this

p-plex: 20/30/40/10mg
m-drol: 0/ 0/ 0/ 10/20/20mg

6 week cycle, although i may run p plex at 20mg on the fourth week when i start m-drol
 
3chris8 said:
i am doing a p-plex/ m-drol cycle in a few weeks that looks like this

p-plex: 20/30/40/10mg
m-drol: 0/ 0/ 0/ 10/20/20mg

6 week cycle, although i may run p plex at 20mg on the fourth week when i start m-drol
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Awesome and good luck with your cycle of course. What is your plan for PCT?
 
muffinman said:
Awesome and good luck with your cycle of course. What is your plan for PCT?
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hey thanks man
i am running nolva at 40/30/20mg


i was gonna add clomid but was told by a few people it would be a waste to run both clomid and nolva at the same time, but ive also been told they work good together so i dont know yet i will have to get more references and ill get back to you.

i also have cycle support, hawthornberry, milk thistle, coq10 etc
 
3chris8 said:
hey thanks man
i am running nolva at 40/30/20mg


i was gonna add clomid but was told by a few people it would be a waste to run both clomid and nolva at the same time, but ive also been told they work good together so i dont know yet i will have to get more references and ill get back to you.

i also have cycle support, hawthornberry, milk thistle, coq10 etc
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I see, I would suggest you run your serm for four weeks. I have seen combos of clomid and nolva but those are usually for long heavy cycles. Do you have a natural test booster you are gonna run during your PCT as well?
 
muffinman said:
I see, I would suggest you run your serm for four weeks. I have seen combos of clomid and nolva but those are usually for long heavy cycles. Do you have a natural test booster you are gonna run during your PCT as well?
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i thought so, since i am doing a 6 week cycle i should prolly do 4 weeks of pct with a serm and no i dont have a test booster, i have done two 4 week cycles of m drol and used only nolva at the 40/30/20 and have been fine. libido up, natural test function great etc. i am still contemplating on my fourth week of the serm being ran at 10mg or 20mg (like week 3).
 
3chris8 said:
i thought so, since i am doing a 6 week cycle i should prolly do 4 weeks of pct with a serm and no i dont have a test booster, i have done two 4 week cycles of m drol and used only nolva at the 40/30/20 and have been fine. libido up, natural test function great etc. i am still contemplating on my fourth week of the serm being ran at 10mg or 20mg (like week 3).
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Well I'm sure you would know best what works for you ha ha, the fourth week dosing would be fine either way really. How well do your gains stay with you with just nolva for PCT? Just curious
 
3chris8 said:
hey thanks man
i am running nolva at 40/30/20mg


i was gonna add clomid but was told by a few people it would be a waste to run both clomid and nolva at the same time, but ive also been told they work good together so i dont know yet i will have to get more references and ill get back to you.

i also have cycle support, hawthornberry, milk thistle, coq10 etc
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Nolva and clomid can stack just fine, they do different things
 
3chris8 said:
hey thanks man
i am running nolva at 40/30/20mg


i was gonna add clomid but was told by a few people it would be a waste to run both clomid and nolva at the same time, but ive also been told they work good together so i dont know yet i will have to get more references and ill get back to you.

i also have cycle support, hawthornberry, milk thistle, coq10 etc
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I would do 40/40/20/20
 
3chris8 said:
im gonna run nolva at 40/40/20/20
what would you suggest i do for the clomid?
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If you are gonna run clomid you don't need to run nolva that high. You use the clomid first since it is better for stimulating your htpa and test production then you move on to nolva to finish off your PCT.
 
I'd only stack them for a good pct and I haven't done this yet, but:
Clomid 1-3 @ 100 then 4-28 @ 50
nolva 1-28 @ 20

next pct i run will probably be high-dosed clomid, since i'm finding that it's traditionally been run much higher than 50 and i need to test my response... if it works even better than clomid worked last time then i'll be able to have some great pcts.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I'd only stack them for a good pct and I haven't done this yet, but:
Clomid 1-3 @ 100 then 4-28 @ 50
nolva 1-28 @ 20

next pct i run will probably be high-dosed clomid, since i'm finding that it's traditionally been run much higher than 50 and i need to test my response... if it works even better than clomid worked last time then i'll be able to have some great pcts.
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im sorry but i dont understand the dosage and how long to take each?
like are you saying clomid 1-3 as in (day 1-3) at 100mg and day 4-28 at 50mg?
and nolva; 20mg for 28 days?
 
muffinman said:
If you are gonna run clomid you don't need to run nolva that high. You use the clomid first since it is better for stimulating your htpa and test production then you move on to nolva to finish off your PCT.
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what dosage would you reccomend for both and for how long?
 
Drjuicebox06 said:
unrealmachine!!!!! howd 30 mg of mdrol feel?
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Fine. At that point (week 7) i felt like the shutdown was probably getting pretty significant, but it probably wasn't complete because my libido was still going. 30 wasn't much better than 20. Didn't really cause any more sides because all i had were back pumps and it was usually limited to back day, but also sometimes after doing squats, but they'd go away in a few minutes.

The thing i learned on that run is that on the 3rd and 4th weeks of SD you have to increase your calories more from the cycle start.

3chris8 said:
im sorry but i dont understand the dosage and how long to take each?
like are you saying clomid 1-3 as in (day 1-3) at 100mg and day 4-28 at 50mg?
and nolva; 20mg for 28 days?
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Yes i'm saying days. But like I said, i have not stacked them like this, i merely assume that this would be a good way to do it, since >20mg of Nolva is generally considered excessive and clomid is usually started high and then run out at 50.
 
alright thanks unrealmachine. because i'm on my 3 day of week 3, and i'm getting stronger but it's not liek crazy. plus my body weight hasnt really been increasing that much. i justed upped it to 30 so i geuss i'll see what happends.
 
like i said, more important than upping the dose is upping the calories.

let's say you start SD @ 200 pounds and by week 3 you are 210, your bodyweight has increased 5% so your calories need to increase 5%, i.e. 4000 cals --> 4200 cals.

It's pretty significant.
 
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