M1,4ADD cycle
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WhatsaRoid?
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Great advice here
I'd have some letro and nolva on hand before I'd run this but I'm sure you know that guy.
Broodstar
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m14ad aka dbol is a good wet compound with good strength gains. Also to throw in your mentioned about pct some worthy ones to recall would be igf-2, 6-oxo, reversitol are some to name but good luck if you run it just eat plenty of food and up the protein and carbs keep it clean and you should see results in no time. Good luck.
Liftingstud
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will convert to dbol which said above will aromatize... Def have serm on hand... Might want to use an AI on cycle... Stacking with tren would be a nasty stack or some old 4ad (die to test coversion).
indianballer
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Definitely pay attention to the people telling you to have letro or something similar on hand. I'm taking m1,4add right now and have gotten a nasty lump on the right side. Wish I would have ordered some kind of real AI. Nolva+ATD+6-bromo is not doing the trick for me. Spend the extra 30 bucks, get an AI, a REAL one.
quigs
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What do you mean by "its a stronger shutdown" and what are you basing this on? In the few studies that I've seen regarding DBol and HTPA function, the suppression was actually a lot lower than I'd have expected. M1,4AD is not dbol however.
I really don't think you'll need an AI on cycle. Remember, aromatization is not necessarily a bad thing. The fact that dbol has such estrogenic effects is also why its so anabolic.
Actually, your best bet in this situation would be a SERM...not an AI. You want the competitive inhibition at the ER that the SERM would provide. DBol has some estrogenic potential even without aromatase activity so an AI might not cut it.
You sure that your nolva is legit?
Broodstar
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Shutdown? DHT should already say alot right there if you really studied m14ad. You said its not dbol but again you say "DBol has some estrogenic potential even without aromatase activity so an AI might not cut it." soooooo is it dbol.....or not dbol lol. Actually it converts into it. All ph converts into something. I agree about the ai on the cycle bc the rise in testosterone will increase estrogen to compensate for the rise of test production. Good luck if you run it. Good wet gains.
WhatsaRoid?
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This guy knows his stuff, reps
Again you should always have the goods on hand if your going to cycle letro, nolva, clomid and arimidex. Since I do tests on rats I have them all in my lab. Be a smart guy and think the way I do when it comes to this only thing I don't have is a cheap way to get blood test done.
quigs
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Not sure I'm following you here. I know that M1,4AD is a dbol precursor, but it also has intrinsic activity itself. This is different from traditional prohormones...like 1AD, which are pro-drugs to the target hormone without intrinsic anabolic/androgenic activity. Taking M1,4AD is not the same as taking straight dianabol, which is why I said its not dbol.
Huh? An AI will not increase testosterone production while on cycle with another androgen due to HTPA suppression. Additionally, estrogen is made from the aromitization of testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. So basically, if testosterone is decreased then you will have decreased estrogen as well.
This is a big reason that some 5-alpha reduced compounds (like superdrol) can kill sex drive. In addition to androgenic activity at the hypothalamus, you need to have estrogen as well for a normal sex drive. 5-alpha-reduced hormones decrease endogenous testosterone production, therefore decreasing endogenous estrogen production....and since they do not have the potential to aromatize, estrogen levels plummet.
You did not answer my question about shutdown either.
indianballer
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sorry to hijack...but to quigs...I got my nolva from some GUYS with the initials AG...I figured they would be the most reputable but its possible I could have bunk Nolva I suppose...or maybe I'm experiencing delayed progesterone induced gyno from my last cycle which included tren (methyldienelone) and nolva could possibly be making it worse? I'm pretty sure it's the m1,4ad causing it though. I've only got a few days left, I'll bump the nolva up to 40 mg's to start PCT and see what happens from there, along with a normal reversitol taper.
WhatsaRoid?
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I think A&G was once a good place but not anymore I shop a better place now for rat food. I would think your gyno is prog induced as with mine so you should take the needed stuff for that nolva won't get rid of it now that it's there.
Broodstar
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Decrease what testosterone ph is suppose to increase testosterone I dunno what m1 4ad you use but.. dht not going into detail but if you love estrgen be my guest get some lol.
WhatsaRoid?
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Haha you guys are silly going back and forth.
ZoomZoom88
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All i gotta say is we need some m1,4add logs!
WhatsaRoid?
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Haha everyone is scared from the water gain and aromatization. I actually purchased 5 bottles of this over the weekend 
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quigs
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I know of the company you speak but honestly don't know whether their products are legit. Personally, I would never use a SERM from a research company again. See, whether or not the company is trying to be honest it does not mean that they are producing good products. Many times they are at the mercy of their chinese suppliers. If the chinese chem house sends them bunk powder, then even with the best of intentions they will be putting out bunk product. I highly doubt that these small companies are getting their raws tested by a 3rd party.
Additionally, you can't feel nolva working (like you could some of the sympathomimetics like clen/albuterol). So you really have no idea whether your stuff is legit. I'm sure a lot of guys are running their PCT with bunk product because of this.
Is that english? Dude I'm having a hell of a time understanding your posts. M1,4AD will decrease testosterone...as will most of the currently available PHs. Even those that do convert to testosterone will decrease endogenous testosterone. M1,4 Won't convert to DHT either.
EasyEJL
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just to throw it in, the conversion from m1,4add to dbol is less than 15%, some estimates put it even under 10%. So more of its activity comes from intrinsic capacity (as it doesn't by itself seem to aromatise as much) moreso than the dbol conversion. 100mg of m1,4/day gives better longer lasting results than 5-15mg dbol solo, and not so much puffiness.
mixedup
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Haha everyone is scared from the water gain and aromatization. I actually purchased 5 bottles of this over the weekend
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All I wanna do is zooma zoom zoom zoom and then boom boom just shake ya rump. I loved that song (your SN made me think of it)
I purchased 6 bottles when the first limited run was announced last year it's good stuff. I ran it pretty high with 25mg of atd eod and was good. However i am not gyno prone or prone to water bloat on dbol either
lyfespan
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are you gonna run a log, or stack with any? Im interested in seeing what kinda of wet gains could be made, and would a run of M-drol and formastane, or a Eqplex run be a good follow up cycle 12 weeks later,Haha everyone is scared from the water gain and aromatization. I actually purchased 5 bottles of this over the weekend
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All I wanna do is zooma zoom zoom zoom and then boom boom just shake ya rump. I loved that song (your SN made me think of it)