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Who gets acne on the juice, and who doesnt?

Not true at all. Doctors never recommend taking supplements. They are drug pushers.

So for example: you would also say that taking pro heart health supps doesn't help prevent cardio vascular disease? They only help repair a heart after it's received damage? I don't buy into this logic...and there are a lot of studies that show supplementation helps prevent damage and disease... protective supps....

Anything that helps the liver do it's job in a more efficient way (ie: improving methylation, increasing glutathione - an essential anti-oxidant which is very pro-liver, etc, etc) these things all take the burden off your liver. Waiting until it's broken to fix it VS prevention... sounds like a bad idea to me.

Do you also only take liver supps during PCT when your liver has just been fried from orals? Sorry, it's just not logical.

I had to be taken off accutane in the past because of jacked enzyme levels. My goals with the supps are to prevent damage and keep the #'s down in a safe range. I like to prevent damage. Whoever said liver damage is reversable sure has a lot of blind faith. That's a wreckless way to think. An ounce of prevention goes a long way.
 
Gutterpump said:
Not true at all. Doctors never recommend taking supplements. They are drug pushers.

So for example: you would also say that taking pro heart health supps doesn't help prevent cardio vascular disease? They only help repair a heart after it's received damage? I don't buy into this logic...and there are a lot of studies that show supplementation helps prevent damage and disease... protective supps....

Anything that helps the liver do it's job in a more efficient way (ie: improving methylation, increasing glutathione - an essential anti-oxidant which is very pro-liver, etc, etc) these things all take the burden off your liver. Waiting until it's broken to fix it VS prevention... sounds like a bad idea to me.

Do you also only take liver supps during PCT when your liver has just been fried from orals? Sorry, it's just not logical.

I had to be taken off accutane in the past because of jacked enzyme levels. My goals with the supps are to prevent damage and keep the #'s down in a safe range. I like to prevent damage. Whoever said liver damage is reversable sure has a lot of blind faith. That's a wreckless way to think. An ounce of prevention goes a long way.
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If i took fish oil during a cycle, and i just happend to get bigger than the cycle before...well then i'd be a believer in fish oil. i think the truth is that u would probably be just fine without the supps on accutane or anabolic orals. but since u have taken supps and been fine thus far, u have faith in them...makes sense. i think all those herbs may help to some extent but nothing thats going to make a life or death difference, i think theyre over used. places like GNC and Vitamine shoppe are only succesful because people who ARNT "drug pushing doctors" are "supplment pushing buisnessmen"...however i take hawthorn berry everyday so im guilty as well. im playing the devils advocate

besides...like i always said. why would someone so concerned with taking a burden on their liver take accutane(let alone juice!) in the first place
 
SAMe and n-acetylcysteine aren't herbs. There is also methylfolate which is good. Liv52 is a group of herbs, so is milk thistle, but there are studies as well behind them, not just personal experience or brotelligence.

Here is a crapload of medical studies on Liv52..no need for faith when you read the evidence
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Accutane is necessary when nothing else works. Severe acne...noone wants to live with that. I know it can be harmful that's why I protect myself first and that's why they have iPledge, require monthly labs + visits to check sides while on it. So...I think if you must take it, then better to be safe and protect the liver as much as you can.
 
I don't remember what I took in the past, but I'm about to take 80mg.

It depends on your weight. After this cycle, I'm probably going to run 10mg if anything comes back.
 
do you take it before during after your cycle cause iv got the one im just waititng to make sure i can keep my fface clear or adleast somehwta cause i get acne now and i hate it but i dont have a choice on that in tell i found out anout this product iv tried everything
 
If you want something on cycle look into B5, and preload it for 2 weeks if you go this route. I would never use accutane on a cycle of orals.

If youv'e tried B5 and it didn't work, it's probably because you didn't space out the doses properly through the day, or you missed a dose, or didn't take it religiously. I don't like B5 because of the inconvenience factor but it also works.
 
Yeah 10 days or so before your cycle. 10 grams per day, spaced out evenly through the day. Take it for a couple months after too because this is when acne hits bad while test is normalizing. And moisturize a LOT with a good clean moisturizer. Check out the board for the 'B5 for acne' thread. Lots of good info.
 
B5 just made me super dry and pale.... i guess it stopped the oil and blackheads, but nothing else. wasnt worth it
 
If you're using it to get rid of acne when you already have a bad case...it could take a long time as any treatment does. I would use it again alongside an antibacterial soap as well like Tersaseptic. Not sure if that soap is sold in the States, I get mine when I go back home to Canada.

To prevent breakouts, B5 worked well for me in the past. But if you screw up the dosing, you end up with super dry, red flaky skin with acne too..The worse possible combo you could wish for. I don't take b5 anymore either...way too inconvenient to dose correctly.
 
well i think imma have to go with accutane idk im sick of mild acne so why not give it a go ill go 10 or 20mg idk yet but ill look is the stuff online the accutane i mean the real stuff or just fake like when you google search it all the sites that come up is that it like V-drugstore the real deal
 
If you're going to use accutane, get it through a doctor not online. And don't use it on an oral cycle. If you go against this, then your health is in your own hands. Accutane also wasn't meant for mild acne. Check out the regimen at acne.org
 
well if i do it like you say what r the odds of my doc giving me this and what should i use then i know if i take the one my odds of my face breaking out is good
 
If you are worried about acne, I wouldn't take the One. It is DHT in a bottle, which means androgenic sides. Choose something else like that won't cause acne. Epi was clean for me in the past. It cleared my acne/bacne up, I was surprised, super clear skin while on it. Everyone is different though.
 
if u get it through a doctor u cant have anything in ur system or u wont get it...so ull have to get off some time before to clear ur bloodstream, and nothing during. if u get it on the internet expect about a grand for a cycle
 
and accutane was made for all types of acne...it is an acne cure, not just something that helps it. how severe your acne is depends on how YOU feel emotionally. it will make u perfectly clear for atleast 2 years, or indefinently
 
I just got accutane from my dermatologist. The only bloodwork they do is liver function testing and triglycerides. He asked me if I was on any medication, steroids etc...because I only have acne on my back - it's hormonal acne. I told him just hydrocortisone and dhea. Didn't feel like bothering to tell him about test+hcg. But I gotta stress not to take orals and accutane...that is stupidity, honestly.
 
ya orals on accutane would be ridiculas...almost as ridiculas as drinking vodka on accutane, which i did because i was so f*kin depressed. lol ...actually its not funny
 
yeah makes since and i have The One already but i havent started it yet because of the acne problems im gonna get but im afraid he wont give me accutane and idk if doingit offline would be a good thing but then again whats the difference
 
hog928 said:
yeah makes since and i have The One already but i havent started it yet because of the acne problems im gonna get but im afraid he wont give me accutane and idk if doingit offline would be a good thing but then again whats the difference
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the worst acne i ever got was from a prohormone, back in 2000 when all the good ones were legal. orals definently were worst on acne/sides in general...only reason not to do injectabls like they say
1. scared of needles
2. scared of needles
3. same as 1 and 2
 
so your saying something like the one will just hit me with acne like a brick. Is The One a pro hormone, and if so should i just not take it because of acne and yeah i am not gonna get into injections yet there way more expensive. But why wouldn't you recommend getting Accutane online
 
hog928 said:
so your saying something like the one will just hit me with acne like a brick. Is The One a pro hormone, and if so should i just not take it because of acne and yeah i am not gonna get into injections yet there way more expensive. But why wouldn't you recommend getting Accutane online
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well a typical cycle of test u could get for 200-300 but whatever....atleast thats what i would charge u hehe. as far as the acne....i got more body acne from injectables. but orals gave me facial acne soo bad i had to do accutane. like im talking whoompers n the nose/forehead, terrible embarrasing
 
so when u took it what did u do take 1 a day for about 10 days before a cycle and is the stuff online like the sorte i said before the real stuff cause idk what to do but the doc wont give it to me so i want to take it before my first cycle i no the damage it can do and what not but i think its worth the chance
 
hog928 said:
so when u took it what did u do take 1 a day for about 10 days before a cycle and is the stuff online like the sorte i said before the real stuff cause idk what to do but the doc wont give it to me so i want to take it before my first cycle i no the damage it can do and what not but i think its worth the chance
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ok i wasnt aware u were that uneducated on it. its not like that...u dont take accutane unless u have bad acne. its not some cycle support supp and u shouldnt take it whle on juice if u dont have to...im guessing u dont cycle year around, so in that case dont worry about it. it is a very harsh drug to cycle on its own...it will make u look like absolute sh*t and feel like sh*t for 6 months(thats how long u cycle it)...it is totally counter-productive to working out. u need to do some research

just do ur cycle...if the acne happens to get really bad just go to ur dermo afterwards and get it with insurance
 
hog928 said:
so when u took it what did u do take 1 a day for about 10 days before a cycle and is the stuff online like the sorte i said before the real stuff cause idk what to do but the doc wont give it to me so i want to take it before my first cycle i no the damage it can do and what not but i think its worth the chance
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The info I gave you for here (preload 10 days before cycle) was for Vitamin B5. Look into that instead.....just do a search here for "B5 for acne" for more info
 
ok i will try the b5 then and try that and see how it goes im just worried cause The One seems like something really bad for acne
 
hog928 said:
and where can i get B5
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just get it at vitamin shoppe....itll be the cheapest, ull need alot. 5 pills four times a day is a big hassle. honestly when i did it, it worked to some extent but it took 1-2months to start working...and when i finnaly was tired of taking it and got off, my acne got really bad for a few weeks before it went back to "mild".

my opinion...just do the goddamn cycle already man. if ur not willing to put up with some sides then u might not be cut out for this game. seriously... its all part of it. if ur acne happens to get really bad worry about it after. nothing u do will prevent the big androgenic knots(which is the bad ones)..if ur gonna get em, ur gonna get em
 
you can say that just like that and i wish i could but having it my whole life trying to get rid of it and now im just going to make it worse would just be terrible to me i hate it and it made me feel like **** half my life and now that its not to bad i feel illright about it but then to just make my face break out like hell would be terrible. face is all im worried about
 
when i take it should i take drive well on it or wait tell after and whats the best way to keep my gains
 
orangutan said:
just get it at vitamin shoppe....itll be the cheapest, ull need alot. 5 pills four times a day is a big hassle. honestly when i did it, it worked to some extent but it took 1-2months to start working...and when i finnaly was tired of taking it and got off, my acne got really bad for a few weeks before it went back to "mild".

my opinion...just do the goddamn cycle already man. if ur not willing to put up with some sides then u might not be cut out for this game. seriously... its all part of it. if ur acne happens to get really bad worry about it after. nothing u do will prevent the big androgenic knots(which is the bad ones)..if ur gonna get em, ur gonna get em
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I have to really agree here. I dealt with terrible acne, was it worth it, yes and no. Thats something you will figure out.

hog928 said:
you can say that just like that and i wish i could but having it my whole life trying to get rid of it and now im just going to make it worse would just be terrible to me i hate it and it made me feel like **** half my life and now that its not to bad i feel illright about it but then to just make my face break out like hell would be terrible. face is all im worried about
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Honestly if youre this concerned you shouldnt even be thinking about using steroids. Is training natural really that bad?

hog928 said:
when i take it should i take drive well on it or wait tell after and whats the best way to keep my gains
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If youre asking about how to keep your gains you arent even close to being ready to use.
 
no im fine im just asking ur opions on the best way to hold ur gains thats all and idc about my back i care about my face breaking out
 
hog928 said:
no im fine im just asking ur opions on the best way to hold ur gains thats all and idc about my back i care about my face breaking out
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you have to weigh YOUR prioritys..what is more important, face or muscles? in my paticular case...i already had acne. so basically, i was like whats a little more? my acne was already to the point where it was socially damaging. so i figured i would say screw it i might as well have good size and possibly do accutane in the future. now its 2 years later and i still havnt done accutane....because im caught up in the game, i dont really care anymore. thats how it worked for me

figure it out for urself
 
ok well im gonna ask again im trying to find things out before i take it i know everything im just wondering should i take drive during my cycle or after to keep my gains and im taking other stuff like joint help and liver help when i am gonna do this but is there anything else that would be a good idea to take for gains and yea i havent started yet because im still learning the few things i need so help me out here guys
 
hog928 said:
ok well im gonna ask again im trying to find things out before i take it i know everything im just wondering should i take drive during my cycle or after to keep my gains and im taking other stuff like joint help and liver help when i am gonna do this but is there anything else that would be a good idea to take for gains and yea i havent started yet because im still learning the few things i need so help me out here guys
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i dont even know what drive is or "the one"...im guessing some type of prohormone? i dont really know i dont mess with otc sh*t anymore, as ull soon find out why if u stay in the game long enough. ur better off starting ur own thread man. i was just trying to get a point across that there are side effects that come along with everything that ull have to just deal with...u can only prevent them SO much....but i mean if ur gonna lose ur hair...u will lose it. no matter what people tell u and how much u can prepare...there is always personal trial and error involved like anything else. because everyones different
 
yeah probably very true so now i look at do i take the bad acne for a dose probably yes but how long after your cycle did it say with you.
 
hog928 said:
yeah probably very true so now i look at do i take the bad acne for a dose probably yes but how long after your cycle did it say with you.
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depends on the person.... for me it didnt go away. 6 months later i still had horrible zits everywhere. some guys say thier hormone levels even out when they get off and the acne subsides.... bullsh*t in my case...i'd say if ur prone to acne, unfortunently its not gonna subside
 
hog928 said:
yeah probably very true so now i look at do i take the bad acne for a dose probably yes but how long after your cycle did it say with you.
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It would take at least 4 months for it to clear. I have clear skin anyways so it doesnt stay with me.
 
One time during a cycle I got a zit so big it was as big as a half dollar on the side of my face. I had to have the doctor inject it with an anti inflammatory. It looked like I got punched in the side of my face. Thats why I dont do steroids anymore.
 
bigmoe65 said:
One time during a cycle I got a zit so big it was as big as a half dollar on the side of my face. I had to have the doctor inject it with an anti inflammatory. It looked like I got punched in the side of my face. Thats why I dont do steroids anymore.
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yup, get em all the time
 
orangutan said:
if u get it through a doctor u cant have anything in ur system or u wont get it...so ull have to get off some time before to clear ur bloodstream, and nothing during. if u get it on the internet expect about a grand for a cycle
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Not true. About $400 will easily be enough for most to cycle for months. It took a while to seach this price out. Its going to last longer for me though since i'm only running it at 20mg.

Had chapped lips all the time and little drying of the skin at first. My acne actually got worse for 2 weeks. After about 2 weeks my acne started to go away and my skin stopped being so dry. Going to up it to 40mg/day when i stop drinking completely in 2 weeks. 20mg/day isnt enough to stop the deep acne for me.

Depression might be coming up a little bit but its not bad. I might just be in a funk. I still give accutane the thumbs up. Its much better than rubbing cream all over that makes you flake like hell and only does half the job.

What was your guys dosing like?
 
Smiley said:
Not true. About $400 will easily be enough for most to cycle for months. It took a while to seach this price out. Its going to last longer for me though since i'm only running it at 20mg.

Had chapped lips all the time and little drying of the skin at first. My acne actually got worse for 2 weeks. After about 2 weeks my acne started to go away and my skin stopped being so dry. Going to up it to 40mg/day when i stop drinking completely in 2 weeks. 20mg/day isnt enough to stop the deep acne for me.

Depression might be coming up a little bit but its not bad. I might just be in a funk. I still give accutane the thumbs up. Its much better than rubbing cream all over that makes you flake like hell and only does half the job.

What was your guys dosing like?
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never heard of anything remotely close to the price for a 5-6month cycle (which is how long u need to do it for it to go away for years) most people will start at around 40 and go to 80....then taper down towards the end
 
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