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cel's new td formestane/xtren+some goodies[sponsored]

1 week review of xtren. first off i never realized there were so many versions of tren out there, i am using xtren by cel. this is exactly same as much higher priced extreme tren, at a much more affordable price. i am surprised to be getting recomp effects so soon, and the mildness of xtren. no sides at all. feel really good on this- starting to get the on cycle feeling, strength and aggression are both up. so far i really like this, am looking forward to coming weeks.
 
Bravoboy said:
hey big T. i know i'm late joinin but i am def. interested in your log bro. couple of questions for you. are you taking any B-6 with the tren? Good luck on the run big dog.
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nope, i agreed to do this log for cel using just the formestane on cycle to see if it backs up my theory of keeping estrogen low on cycle will prevent prolactin issues. i was going to get some vitex but i decided to stick to original plan. this is totally my idea cel did not push this on me. formestane and cycle assist are only supports i am using.
 
Good looking cycle here bro, but IMO Phenibut is not to be messed with. I was on it 3 nights a week for a couple of months last year, and when I came off it, I could not sleep for 2 straight weeks. other people have had major problems with this stuff as well. Just a heads up, those 2 weeks of insomnia almost drove me insane.
 
AFOX said:
Good looking cycle here bro, but IMO Phenibut is not to be messed with. I was on it 3 nights a week for a couple of months last year, and when I came off it, I could not sleep for 2 straight weeks. other people have had major problems with this stuff as well. Just a heads up, those 2 weeks of insomnia almost drove me insane.
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thanks for the heads up, i plan to treat it like a ai and taper off. i usually have sleep and over- aggression issues on cycle, that is why i wanted the phenibutxt. after i cycle off i will use again but only occasionally.
 
visible recomp improvement is noticeable-whoohoo. i hate to wait for anything, but i have to admit i am surprised at how fast effects have came on this. bp was up a few points this morning and weight is back to 222, so the weight gain was no fluke. libido is also down just a little, i will wait until it becomes an issue-if it does i plan to add another pump of formestane to one of my applications. i am not changing anything till it's broken. btw i have a small gym in my basement and all my bars and dumbbells felt too light, will add more weight when i have time.
 
this looks great.

But how to you think this would compare to do e-stane plus tren, instead of tren/form.

Do you possibly think this would be a better alternative to a e-stane/tren stack?

Are you think tren/form will cause less shutdown?
 
Mars1107 said:
this looks great.

But how to you think this would compare to do e-stane plus tren, instead of tren/form.

Do you possibly think this would be a better alternative to a e-stane/tren stack?

Are you think tren/form will cause less shutdown?
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I'm on Liquidrone(tren)/ e-stane 20/30/30/40 right now. I'm on day 8, and I think it is kicking in. Good endurance and pumps in my workouts.
 
Bravoboy said:
tren and form will cause less shutdown bro.
You will see more gains with the tren/epi though.
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agreed. but from what i am seeing xtren is strong enough on it's own-i was thinking of stacking it but not anymore. plus form will make recovery much easier, stacking tren/epi will require more recovery time and probably a serm for pct. why bother when xtren seems more than adequate on it's own?
 
AFOX said:
I'm on Liquidrone(tren)/ e-stane 20/30/30/40 right now. I'm on day 8, and I think it is kicking in. Good endurance and pumps in my workouts.
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i started feeling those effects by day 5 on xtren. day 4 and i was up 5 pounds and i wasn't looking to bulk.
 
aggression is definately up, weight is up 6 pounds, and libido took another slight hit. i am still holding off on upping the td formestane. bp is also slightly up, but still by only a few points. wow- i think i really underestimated this stuff.
 
thebigt said:
aggression is definately up, weight is up 6 pounds, and libido took another slight hit. i am still holding off on upping the td formestane. bp is also slightly up, but still by only a few points. wow- i think i really underestimated this stuff.
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Well at least I was right about something when I told you to expect lean mass gains! My supplier told me that most of his customers were more satisfied with Tren-X over the Mass-X (or X-Mass). I'm still sticking at around +9lbs as well on week three. I did a little more research and have found that others claimed Tren to put on the weight in the first two weeks and maintained through-out. So I won't be expecting much more out of mine at this point. Maybe +2lbs. That would be nice. Good luck on the rest of your week!
 
fueledpassion said:
Well at least I was right about something when I told you to expect lean mass gains! My supplier told me that most of his customers were more satisfied with Tren-X over the Mass-X (or X-Mass). I'm still sticking at around +9lbs as well on week three. I did a little more research and have found that others claimed Tren to put on the weight in the first two weeks and maintained through-out. So I won't be expecting much more out of mine at this point. Maybe +2lbs. That would be nice. Good luck on the rest of your week!
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this is good info-post your results more often as xtren is a clone of tren-x and extreme tren. 10 pounds would be optimal, but i think i may exceed it. you may not gain much more weight but from what i understand your strength should skyrocket the last week.
 
thebigt said:
agreed. but from what i am seeing xtren is strong enough on it's own-i was thinking of stacking it but not anymore. plus form will make recovery much easier, stacking tren/epi will require more recovery time and probably a serm for pct. why bother when xtren seems more than adequate on it's own?
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I see your point there. I for one am always wondering, what can i stack that with. It wouldn't be a bad idea for me soon to take some Xtren with something like slim xtreme or recreate. That would be great. And i have plenty of epi, so i really wouldn't mind adding in 10mgs of the epi while on the tren @ around 90mgs. and hit up a fat burner. sounds like a great summer cutter.
What do you think about running any Sustain Alpha with the XTren? it's not toxic, It will aid in gains, and it will make shut down even less of an issue. running it for the last 2 weeks of cycle and starting your PCT with it would make it really easy to not worry about a SERM.
 
I know that's not part of your plan, i was just stating ideas. not trying to hijack bro. sorry if it seemed that way.
 
mixedup said:
bigt do you feel you are seing any localized water reduction from the TD
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when i was running it solo i definately did. but i am gaining so fast on the xtren i can't tell. i am hoping the weight gain levels out after 2nd week, and strength and recomp take over. in uncharted water here, ive never ran a tren before and results seem to vary.
 
Bravoboy said:
I see your point there. I for one am always wondering, what can i stack that with. It wouldn't be a bad idea for me soon to take some Xtren with something like slim xtreme or recreate. That would be great. And i have plenty of epi, so i really wouldn't mind adding in 10mgs of the epi while on the tren @ around 90mgs. and hit up a fat burner. sounds like a great summer cutter.
What do you think about running any Sustain Alpha with the XTren? it's not toxic, It will aid in gains, and it will make shut down even less of an issue. running it for the last 2 weeks of cycle and starting your PCT with it would make it really easy to not worry about a SERM.
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well i am partial to td formestane and never used sustain, but from what i have heard about it sounds good-i would ask eric at pp. about the recreate, go for it. as to the slim extreme be careful. i am not prone to high bp and am taking cycle assist, and my bp is up-and it's only first week. don't take xtren lightly, it is much more stronger than i expected.
 
thanks for the anwers guys

one more question,

do you think a form/x-tren pulse could work,

ive seen some guys pulse tren with something else,

are these guys out of line, or can u pulse x-tren,(other trens)?

and since tren seems to bump argression, it would be great preworkout.
 
thebigt said:
well i am partial to td formestane and never used sustain, but from what i have heard about it sounds good-i would ask eric at pp. about the recreate, go for it. as to the slim extreme be careful. i am not prone to high bp and am taking cycle assist, and my bp is up-and it's only first week. don't take xtren lightly, it is much more stronger than i expected.
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i think people take it lightly because its not methalated, but thats no reason to underestamate it.

Some people agree that its pretty similar to trenbolone acetate.

which is described as,
"Rather, it is an extraordinarily potent AAS, being about three times as effective per milligram as testosterone esters. "

"There really is no need to stack another -- testosterone being the only sensible exception -- but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly."

the only thing it takes out of the picture is liver damage, but it still may elevate liver enzymes to some degree.
 
Mars1107 said:
thanks for the anwers guys

one more question,

do you think a form/x-tren pulse could work,

ive seen some guys pulse tren with something else,

are these guys out of line, or can u pulse x-tren,(other trens)?

and since tren seems to bump argression, it would be great preworkout.
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i think that is a great question, ive never pulsed before but xtren/form seems plausible. if you try this log it, i would be interested in how it turns out.
 
"There really is no need to stack another -- testosterone being the only sensible exception -- but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly."




Thats a major understatement! This stuff shut me down pretty hard! I'm really hoping my Formex puts some stank back in my tank! If not then Nolva here I come...
 
thebigt said:
i think that is a great question, ive never pulsed before but xtren/form seems plausible. if you try this log it, i would be interested in how it turns out.
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yes, im looking to either do some sort of a pulse or a moderately safe 4 week run

in either case, ill probally do tren/form

this seems excellent for a return run, and my goals being to recomp, which is exactly what this should do.

furazadrol might also be a good add to tren, but A, i should take 1 compounds at a time, so i know the effects, B, fuzardrol is fairly expensive.

when u said plausible, because it has a relatively short half-life?10 hours i read somewhere, but i dont know.



also bigt, what else have you combined form with?

also, did you feel anything on intial dosing?
do you notice some effect after dosing,(1,2,3,4 hours?)
you started lower,no?
if i could pulse 60-90 preworkout, that might work
but i should have the time right.

 
Mars1107 said:
yes, im looking to either do some sort of a pulse or a moderately safe 4 week run

in either case, ill probally do tren/form

this seems excellent for a return run, and my goals being to recomp, which is exactly what this should do.

furazadrol might also be a good add to tren, but A, i should take 1 compounds at a time, so i know the effects, B, fuzardrol is fairly expensive.

when u said plausible, because it has a relatively short half-life?10 hours i read somewhere, but i dont know.



also bigt, what else have you combined form with?

also, did you feel anything on intial dosing?
do you notice some effect after dosing,(1,2,3,4 hours?)
you started lower,no?
if i could pulse 60-90 preworkout, that might work
but i should have the time right.
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pulsing is plausible, because ive never done it and don't know of anyone who has pulsed tren. also my only experience with formestane has been transdermal, bulk oral, and a cap form by bclabs, of those the transdermal is hands down the best.
 
been doing some research on tren, eric at pp recommends vitex on cycle. so i am hard headed not stupid, went to vitamin shoppe and got some chasteberry standardized for vitex. better safe than sorry and it was very cheap. feeling good today, going to go to chiropractor, then gym, then gonna break out the grill. going to do some salmon today. weight is holding at 8 pounds.
 
Whew! 8 pounds :head: Nice, even with the crazy work schedule. I have to admit, my work schedule is wrecking me too over the past 2 weeks and recomp is still occuring. It's incredible how things that ruin natural gains are not an issue on cycle.

Braveboy,
Nothing is going to reduce suppression. You have either been mislead or misunderstand the application of ON cycle test boosters. Yes, you may have less symptoms of shutdown with artificial libido and artificial strength, but nonetheless endogenous hormones are still suppressed.

Also IMO 10mg epthio is not going to increase your gains. Most stack about 40mg Epithio with 90mg Nor. They have really productive cycles but get shut down hard compared to Nor solo. I encourage you to patiently follow BigT's solo run as he's already up 8 pounds. He has a strong cycle history so that means this is no joke by itself.

T,
can you tell I've been browsing on the boards for Nor feedback ;)
 
learn said:
wow 8 lbs I have yet to gain that much with any Tren product

great job
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you just haven't been doing the right one...xtren, live and LEARN.:laugh:btw-i easily could be up more, my goal is not to bulk.
 
celc5 said:
Whew! 8 pounds :head: Nice, even with the crazy work schedule. I have to admit, my work schedule is wrecking me too over the past 2 weeks and recomp is still occuring. It's incredible how things that ruin natural gains are not an issue on cycle.

Braveboy,
Nothing is going to reduce suppression. You have either been mislead or misunderstand the application of ON cycle test boosters. Yes, you may have less symptoms of shutdown with artificial libido and artificial strength, but nonetheless endogenous hormones are still suppressed.

Also IMO 10mg epthio is not going to increase your gains. Most stack about 40mg Epithio with 90mg Nor. They have really productive cycles but get shut down hard compared to Nor solo. I encourage you to patiently follow BigT's solo run as he's already up 8 pounds. He has a strong cycle history so that means this is no joke by itself.

T,
can you tell I've been browsing on the boards for Nor feedback ;)
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WHAT THE HELL IS THIS AXIS LABS CRAP-congratulations, my friend they are getting a real winner.
 
of all the tren choices out there, xtren must be seriously stronger than most. i keep getting the response that my weight gain is more than they had for entire cycle. either that or else i respond exceptionally well to the 19 nor, i usually see most weight gain in the last week or 2 of most cycles, never had this kind of gain this early. btw strength is up, added 10 pounds on most of my lifts today. libido is down from normal, but no where near feeling suppressed-i am still doing 2 pumps 2xday of the td formestane and will bump it to 3 if i need to.
 
getting in a little late but this already looking like a great log... I'm thinking of buying some Xtren I think this log will persuade me to buy it before NP runs out! rock on bigT. :thumbsup:
 
DormantFiber said:
getting in a little late but this already looking like a great log... I'm thinking of buying some Xtren I think this log will persuade me to buy it before NP runs out! rock on bigT. :thumbsup:
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three years of using ph's, and nothing has hit me this hard this fast. xtren is the stuff.
 
thebigt said:
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS AXIS LABS CRAP-congratulations, my friend they are getting a real winner.
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Thanks brotha! I feal like I'm going to the Dark Side by putting a company name on my sig :laugh: I'd like to run some Apido X to try out the product line... maybe get my secretary to log it too cause I'm turning her into a stim junky. She was pissed the other day when she said "this hyperdrive suck compared to meltdown. When are you gonna order again so I can get more Meltdown." ...she's hooked LOL
 
celc5 said:
Thanks brotha! I feal like I'm going to the Dark Side by putting a company name on my sig :laugh: I'd like to run some Apido X to try out the product line... maybe get my secretary to log it too cause I'm turning her into a stim junky. She was pissed the other day when she said "this hyperdrive suck compared to meltdown. When are you gonna order again so I can get more Meltdown." ...she's hooked LOL
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i ran a review on some samples i got of apido x, i liked it but benj said it was bunk-you know benj and his stims. get her some of the vyper, that will get her ass a moving,lol.
 
thebigt said:
i ran a review on some samples i got of apido x, i liked it but benj said it was bunk-you know benj and his stims. get her some of the vyper, that will get her ass a moving,lol.
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that stuff sure does sound potent. What's Benj think of the viper? He traded me some Redline when we exchanged a bunch of open items last fall. OMFG T, that stuff is like crack! I was jittery for a good 40 minutes on just 1 cap... I thought for sure that's the kind of stim you junkies like :dunno: :run: :D
 
celc5 said:
Thanks brotha! I feal like I'm going to the Dark Side by putting a company name on my sig :laugh: I'd like to run some Apido X to try out the product line... maybe get my secretary to log it too cause I'm turning her into a stim junky. She was pissed the other day when she said "this hyperdrive suck compared to meltdown. When are you gonna order again so I can get more Meltdown." ...she's hooked LOL
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You f*cking Sell-Out! Oh wait, what? :D

Congrats, man! AXIS made several excellent picks.
 
celc5 said:
that stuff sure does sound potent. What's Benj think of the viper? He traded me some Redline when we exchanged a bunch of open items last fall. OMFG T, that stuff is like crack! I was jittery for a good 40 minutes on just 1 cap... I thought for sure that's the kind of stim you junkies like :dunno: :run: :D
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1 vyper=3 redline,imo. benj ran a review of it same time me and learn did. he liked it.
 
"incorporating cycle assist/td formestane along with pct assist/suppress-c for part of pct along with inhibit-e/phenibutxt by sns. this is imo about as good as it gets for on cycle and pct."

so cort control
and
ATD?

is that enough?

id probably add sustain alpha,since i wanted to try that.
a cort product
another test booster?

Supposedly Serms are not good according to Primordial Performance
 
Mars1107 said:
"incorporating cycle assist/td formestane along with pct assist/suppress-c for part of pct along with inhibit-e/phenibutxt by sns. this is imo about as good as it gets for on cycle and pct."

so cort control
and
ATD?

is that enough?

id probably add sustain alpha,since i wanted to try that.
a cort product
another test booster?

Supposedly Serms are not good according to Primordial Performance
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you forgot the pct assist. pct assist/suppress-c/inhibit-e. check out the pct assist.
 
thebigt said:
you forgot the pct assist. pct assist/suppress-c/inhibit-e. check out the pct assist.
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Oh i thought that was cycle assist, pct assist looks good.

but still why atd?isnt that anti-androgenic? (funds?)

Your using form on cycle, so you cant use it for pct?
 
Mars1107 said:
Oh i thought that was cycle assist, pct assist looks good.

but still why atd?isnt that anti-androgenic? (funds?)

Your using form on cycle, so you cant use it for pct?
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this is just my own personal bro-science, but if i run form on cycle i like to run a different ai for pct, just to change things up. btw imo atd has gotten a bad rep lately, it may kill libido but it is very effective as an ai. people have gone back and forth on atd but lots of people have had successful pct's using it.
 
thebigt said:
three years of using ph's, and nothing has hit me this hard this fast. xtren is the stuff.
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thats pretty encouraging I have only 1 ph cycle under my belt and one of the down sides of it was the kick in time, for me it took 3 weeks to kick in, it lasted well in to pct but 3 weeks is a long time when you want to feel results right away ;)

I'll be reading your log carefully and so far I like what it see :thumbsup:
 
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