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cel's new td formestane/xtren+some goodies[sponsored]

fueledpassion said:
I was under the impression that Formex is a replacement supplement for formestane (something that accomplishes the same thing more effectively).
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The bioavailability of oral formestane is not that great. I see that IBE says that the bioavailability of their formex is greater than just regular ORAL FORMESTANE. This does not mean that formex is better than the TD route. The TD route is the best way with formestane IMO! Plus it looks like td formestane is cheaper too.
 
stl123 said:
I love td formestane. I was so upset when it just sort of went away and you couldn't find it anywhere! I would check the site I used to get it @ literally every week for months upon months. When I saw that CEL was bringing back td formestane I almost had an accident on my keyboard! On top of that P-Mag!! Very nice.

Kudos to CEL for giving the people what they want!!!!!!!! :006: I have a couple bottles on the way as I'm typing this!!!
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amen brother, i used to go to bulk nut just for the e-form. you quite literally put in words how i felt when i heard cel was bringing this back. td formestane is the most effective non-ph supplement i have used.
 
Dragon13 said:
Bigt, I would still be leery of prolactin issues. I'm about to start a Tren run and I've done a ton of research on this, and I'm fairly sure it's all on point.

The formestane will obviously keep estrogen in check, and prolactin as it relates to estrogen (the two have a converse relationship). BUT - and this is a big but - the Tren compund has a strong affinity for the progesterone receptor and can raise prolactin independently of estrogen levels. I would supplement with dopamine agonists to help keep prolactin levels low. Just my $0.02.
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i agree. i have some now vitex on the way, and will probably include powerful in pct. i really feel good about the formestane.
 
celc5 said:
fueledpassion,
BigT has a strong cycle history and a solid 90 pounds on ya brotha. He'll be fine if he decidedes to increase dosages. Then again, by the way things sound lately, he might not need to :head:
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Perhaps, if weight is a big factor in dosages. But really, this stuff is potent.

Oh, and he's a solid 78lbs heavier, lol. Thanks to Tren.
 
fueledpassion said:
I was under the impression that Formex is a replacement supplement for formestane (something that accomplishes the same thing more effectively).
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don't be confused, formex is new and there is a lot of hype. td formestane has been around for a long time and is tried and proven effective. i would much rather go with what i trust and know will work and has decades of science behind it. just remember 'new doesn't always = better'.
 
Dragon13 said:
Not sure what you're saying here? You're going to bridge Tren to Epi?
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Yes, using Formex. Epistane will have Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support in the mix as well. But at a later date on the Epistane. I plan to rebound with Formex, Cycle Support, and Nolva then jump to Epistane afterwards.
 
celc5 said:
fueledpassion,
BigT has a strong cycle history and a solid 90 pounds on ya brotha. He'll be fine if he decidedes to increase dosages. Then again, by the way things sound lately, he might not need to :head:
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i have been dosing 3 caps, was going to go to 4 this weekend but i may keep it at 3. very surprised to have gained 5 pounds this fast, my diet is cleaner and i have been more active. i never thought of xtren as being a bulker, too soon to make any assumptions just going to enjoy the ride.
 
thebigt said:
don't be confused, formex is new and there is a lot of hype. td formestane has been around for a long time and is tried and proven effective. i would much rather go with what i trust and know will work and has decades of science behind it. just remember 'new doesn't always = better'.
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I'm not arguing with you there. In fact, I'm not opposing anything you've said about td formestane. If Formex doesn't work out, I will go to td formestane.
 
fueledpassion said:
I'm not arguing with you there. In fact, I'm not opposing anything you've said about td formestane. If Formex doesn't work out, I will go to td formestane.
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i am sure you will enjoy the formex, after it is gone get some td formestane and see for yourself. i have read the many formex logs and i am not convinced.
 
fueledpassion said:
Yes, using Formex. Epistane will have Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support in the mix as well. It's really neat because you can actually use another PH like Epistane as a PCT, and never have any significant loses in the gains from Tren if not even put on more weight and strength. At least in theory. I hope this works.
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be careful my friend, i fear you are travelling down a dangerous road.
 
fueledpassion said:
you can actually use another PH like Epistane as a PCT
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I saw you said this earlier and thought it was a typo so I ignored it. But, you typed it twice so now I can't resist... this is an ABSOLUTELY terrible idea. You are in for some health repurcussions.
 
fueledpassion said:
Perhaps, if weight is a big factor in dosages. But really, this stuff is potent.

Oh, and he's a solid 78lbs heavier, lol. Thanks to Tren.
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wow, i just saw that. there is a big weight difference between us. i weighed in at 222 last night.
 
thebigt said:
be careful my friend, i fear you are travelling down a dangerous road.
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How so? I've done a fair amount of research on all three products (Tren, Formex, and Epistane) Starting this Friday I will be jumping on Formex w/ Tren for the remainder of the Tren cycle (about 1.5 weeks), then finishing the Formex out over the next three weeks after stopping the Tren. Then if all clears..and my bloodwork turns out good, then I will be getting on Epistane at a later date. Probably a few weeks after getting off the Formex.

Do you have a better suggestion for PCT? (Please, try not to resort to Nolva, because I have that as last resort option.) I'd like to hear some thoughts. Perhaps I should stick with Formex & AI Cycle Support for 4 solid weeks and just wait a while longer.

I guess I want to know what part of dangerous am I messing with?
 
thebigt said:
i agree. i have some now vitex on the way, and will probably include powerful in pct. i really feel good about the formestane.
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Good idea. BTW, your log and advocacy of TD form was a big reason I will be using this in my next DS run.
 
fueledpassion said:
Yes, using Formex. Epistane will have Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support in the mix as well. It's really neat because you can actually use another PH like Epistane as a PCT, and never have any significant loses in the gains from Tren if not even put on more weight and strength. At least in theory. I hope this works.
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Whoah. Bridging Tren -> Epi, then doing PCT is one thing. But using Epi as PCT is quite another. This is a recipe for disaster fp. I strongly advise you to not try this.
 
Dragon13 said:
Whoah. Bridging Tren -> Epi, then doing PCT is one thing. But using Epi as PCT is quite another. This is a recipe for disaster fp. I strongly advise you to not try this.
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Ok. Done deal.

But I read over my own post and realized that I made no sense to what I was actually trying to say. lol.

Using Formex, Cycle Support from AI, & possibly Nolva for bridge/PCT from Tren-X, then going into Epistane after re-coupe from last cycle. Epistane last, everybody, Epistane last.
 
fueledpassion said:
Ok. Done deal.

But I read over my own post and realized that I made no sense to what I was actually trying to say. lol.

Using Formex, Cycle Support from AI, & possibly Nolva for bridge/PCT from Tren-X, then going into Epistane after re-coupe from last cycle. Epistane last, everybody, Epistane last.
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I'm glad you fixed that, I was about to get my knowledge stick out and go to work. :D
The knowledge stick is a cousin of the ban stick. ;)
 
fueledpassion said:
How so? I've done a fair amount of research on all three products (Tren, Formex, and Epistane) Starting this Friday I will be jumping on Formex w/ Tren for the remainder of the Tren cycle (about 1.5 weeks), then finishing the Formex out over the next three weeks after stopping the Tren. Then if all clears..and my bloodwork turns out good, then I will be getting on Epistane at a later date. Probably a few weeks after getting off the Formex.

Do you have a better suggestion for PCT? (Please, try not to resort to Nolva, because I have that as last resort option.) I'd like to hear some thoughts. Perhaps I should stick with Formex & AI Cycle Support for 4 solid weeks and just wait a while longer.

I guess I want to know what part of dangerous am I messing with?
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look epistane is a steriod, using tren then pct then epistane makes no sense. a better idea, not one i recommend for you is stack the epi/tren together and then do pct. epistane may have mild effects but it is an outright steriod which requires a good pct and should not be used as a pct. if you have gotten good results from the tren then scrap the epistane altogether,imo.
 
Iron Lungz said:
I'm glad you fixed that, I was about to get my knowledge stick out and go to work. :D
The knowledge stick is a cousin of the ban stick. ;)
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i think you voiced what everyone was thinking.:thanks:
 
had a kind of restless sleep, a sign the ph is kicking in. will play with phenibutxt dosing to make sure i get at least 4-6 hours of good sleep a day. will check bp in the morning. amazingly i feel real good for going on such little sleep. looked in the mirror and maybe see a little more fullness to muscles-probably just wishful thinking. i feel energised, no lethargy at all, so far this cycle is treating me well.
 
Dragon13 said:
Good idea. BTW, your log and advocacy of TD form was a big reason I will be using this in my next DS run.
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so far the xtren is treating me very well. as for td formestane, i have been a fan for a long time it won't let you down,imo.
 
monstermash said:
what about m1,4add?
Not an attack on CEL by any means just pointing it out cause you said never. If i remember correctly CEL was cool enough to replace anyone's bottle from the bad batch.
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I am so tired of addressing an issue that has been beat to death for 2 years now. We had the raw materials for that batch tested at RTP Labs and they made a testing error. It wasnt like we didnt have it tested, and it wasnt like it was our fault. We replaced the bad bottles.

It seems like we get questioned so much for a bad batch that we acknowledged and fixed, yet so many other companies never even get questioned about quality when they dont even test to begin with.
 
mixedup said:
No it wouldn't. take a look at my av i'm 149lbs in that pic at 5ft one and on a cut. 170lbs would look jacked
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I wasn't being serious. It was an exaggeration, I guess. 10lbs makes a huge difference with people like us, doesn't it? Besides, I think I can hit my strength goals at 160lbs. We'll see.
 
thebigt said:
had a kind of restless sleep, a sign the ph is kicking in. will play with phenibutxt dosing to make sure i get at least 4-6 hours of good sleep a day. will check bp in the morning. amazingly i feel real good for going on such little sleep. looked in the mirror and maybe see a little more fullness to muscles-probably just wishful thinking. i feel energised, no lethargy at all, so far this cycle is treating me well.
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I meant to mention one other thing today about this Tren just FYI. I had some joint issues tonight while working out. I had heard about this being an issue with some others, but not consistently. I just figured you might want to know since I'm about 2 weeks ahead on the Tren. Joint supplements might be something to consider if you start getting nice gains. Hope this helps.
 
T, take a look at some phenXT feedback. IIRC, tolerance builds really fast. I'm sure there's some good strategies out there for dosing just a few times per week without building tolerance. I think Benj likes it, might want to ask him about it on SA.
 
fueledpassion said:
I wasn't being serious. It was an exaggeration, I guess. 10lbs makes a huge difference with people like us, doesn't it? Besides, I think I can hit my strength goals at 160lbs. We'll see.
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at our height 10lbs is HUGE if it's lean. BTW me and Big T go way back if your thinking of taking these supps you can trust him for an honest non biased opinion on how stuff works.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I am so tired of addressing an issue that has been beat to death for 2 years now. We had the raw materials for that batch tested at RTP Labs and they made a testing error. It wasnt like we didnt have it tested, and it wasnt like it was our fault. We replaced the bad bottles.

It seems like we get questioned so much for a bad batch that we acknowledged and fixed, yet so many other companies never even get questioned about quality when they dont even test to begin with.
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cel is the first place i go for quality ph's at a good price. as far as i am concerned your reputation is stellar. cycle assist and td formestane have also been top notch.
 
fueledpassion said:
I meant to mention one other thing today about this Tren just FYI. I had some joint issues tonight while working out. I had heard about this being an issue with some others, but not consistently. I just figured you might want to know since I'm about 2 weeks ahead on the Tren. Joint supplements might be something to consider if you start getting nice gains. Hope this helps.
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thanks, i really appreciate your feedback-i hope my results are as good as yours seem to be. btw rest assured i have joint issues covered, i have about 30 different things on hand that ive tried for my knee pain. feel free to post your results, i am very interested.
 
mixedup said:
at our height 10lbs is HUGE if it's lean. BTW me and Big T go way back if your thinking of taking these supps you can trust him for an honest non biased opinion on how stuff works.
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thanks mixedup, i appreciate the kind words.
 
celc5 said:
T, take a look at some phenXT feedback. IIRC, tolerance builds really fast. I'm sure there's some good strategies out there for dosing just a few times per week without building tolerance. I think Benj likes it, might want to ask him about it on SA.
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benj is the one who recommended this to me, he has been hyping it to me forever. the dosing i am following is 4 days on 3 off, at 2 caps ed. this is working well so far, if tolerance builds i will up it to 3-4. btw 4 caps off the bat was very nice but not something i would do everyday-made me to mellow for the work i do. i enjoy being aggressive at work most of the time.
 
bp is fine, libido is good, aggression is up along with feeling stronger lifting things at work. weighed in at work and down a pound to 221. no real recomp changes yet, but i have been looking in mirror so much i probably wouldn't see it if it were there. damn, i am an impatient sob.
 
There have been times I have taken Phenibut XT 4 or 5 on, followed by 3 off.

Other times, I have taken it just as needed.
 
Like I said privately, when you're successful, people will try to bring you down all the time. I appreciate what you and your company does. Keep doing what you're doing! Even though you guys compete with certain things that we put out, I applaud it. Without great competition, innovation slows down, and the prices go up. So with that being said, don't worry about what happened in the past, we all go through sh*t like this - trust me.
Just bring me my M1A clone! :D
CompEdgeLabs said:
I am so tired of addressing an issue that has been beat to death for 2 years now. We had the raw materials for that batch tested at RTP Labs and they made a testing error. It wasnt like we didnt have it tested, and it wasnt like it was our fault. We replaced the bad bottles.

It seems like we get questioned so much for a bad batch that we acknowledged and fixed, yet so many other companies never even get questioned about quality when they dont even test to begin with.
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fueledpassion said:
Ok. Done deal.

But I read over my own post and realized that I made no sense to what I was actually trying to say. lol.

Using Formex, Cycle Support from AI, & possibly Nolva for bridge/PCT from Tren-X, then going into Epistane after re-coupe from last cycle. Epistane last, everybody, Epistane last.
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That's better but still not really a great plan IMO, if I'm understanding correctly. You need to allow your HPTA time to restore normal function. Cycle - PCT - straight into another cycle is... not advised. Besides, after Epi you will need another PCT. So your looking at Tren - PCT - Epi - PCT, and ssuming each is roughly 4 weeks (maybe longer), you'll either be on-cycle or recovering from a cycle for 4 straight months.

Maybe you're saying you'll be going Tren - PCT - reasonable time off, then Epi? Hopefully this is the case.

Sorry for the hijack Bigt.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
There have been times I have taken Phenibut XT 4 or 5 on, followed by 3 off.

Other times, I have taken it just as needed.
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it's weird, sometimes when i work 12's i get so tired i can't see straight, but i can't sleep. 2 caps of phenibutxt is just enough to take the edge off. now my problem is i get so relaxed i want to stay up to enjoy it, lol. phenibutxt is a great stress reliever for those of us with fast paced stressful jobs.:sleeping:
 
Dragon13 said:
That's better but still not really a great plan IMO, if I'm understanding correctly. You need to allow your HPTA time to restore normal function. Cycle - PCT - straight into another cycle is... not advised. Besides, after Epi you will need another PCT. So your looking at Tren - PCT - Epi - PCT, and ssuming each is roughly 4 weeks (maybe longer), you'll either be on-cycle or recovering from a cycle for 4 straight months.

Maybe you're saying you'll be going Tren - PCT - reasonable time off, then Epi? Hopefully this is the case.

Sorry for the hijack Bigt.
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it's all good. this is my first time on xtren, i am enjoying all the feedback.
 
thebigt said:
it's weird, sometimes when i work 12's i get so tired i can't see straight, but i can't sleep. 2 caps of phenibutxt is just enough to take the edge off. now my problem is i get so relaxed i want to stay up to enjoy it, lol. phenibutxt is a great stress reliever for those of us with fast paced stressful jobs.:sleeping:
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Thats why I like it as well. By the time I get home, I am tired, but so damn keyed up I cant sleep or stay asleep. It helps me relax and actually not wake up 10 times a night.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
Thats why I like it as well. By the time I get home, I am tired, but so damn keyed up I cant sleep or stay asleep. It helps me relax and actually not wake up 10 times a night.
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hell yeah. thats what i am talking about.
 
Dragon13 said:
That's better but still not really a great plan IMO, if I'm understanding correctly. You need to allow your HPTA time to restore normal function. Cycle - PCT - straight into another cycle is... not advised. Besides, after Epi you will need another PCT. So your looking at Tren - PCT - Epi - PCT, and ssuming each is roughly 4 weeks (maybe longer), you'll either be on-cycle or recovering from a cycle for 4 straight months.

Maybe you're saying you'll be going Tren - PCT - reasonable time off, then Epi? Hopefully this is the case.Sorry for the hijack Bigt.
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Yes to the bold. I wont touch the Epistane until maybe 6 weeks after my PCT is over and my bloodwork shows normal levels. And cycle support and PCT will be far better when I get on stuff like this again.
 
fueledpassion said:
Yes to the bold. I wont touch the Epistane until maybe 6 weeks after my PCT is over and my bloodwork shows normal levels. And cycle support and PCT will be far better when I get on stuff like this again.
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Whew, good deal. You have a very confusing style of writing. :dunno:
 
Dragon13 said:
Whew, good deal. You have a very confusing style of writing. :dunno:
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I generalize when I say this to that to this to that. When in reality I mean, take this, cycle-off, wait a few weeks, go to that cycle-off and so forth..

But when loggin I won't have this style of writing..lol. Just step by step what I did and the results.
 
work called, having mackine problems so i won't be going in till 11. so first week reviews, first up td formestane. i am very impressed with the results of this, i think it may be more potent even than e-form was. it lasts forever, i am only now getting close to bottom of bottle. there is some grit when you get close to bottom, i recommend keeping bottle upside down when not using-this is what i am doing and the bottle doesn't leak. fast reaction, i responded very quick on this, effects were drom first application. no clogging, even close to bottom there is no clogging, the pump tends to stick though so wait for it to pop back up or help it along. here's a tip, when applying use surgical gloves, i have found that this prevents it from being absorbed by the hands just to wash it off after applying. cel gets a grade of A+ for this, i will be buying more you can bet on it. oh yeah, you have to experience standing in front of a fan after applying, you can feel the rush immediately-love it.
 
hey big T. i know i'm late joinin but i am def. interested in your log bro. couple of questions for you. are you taking any B-6 with the tren? Good luck on the run big dog.
 
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