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Has AM turned soft?

maybe not juice...but definately drink a beer legally!

now lets open a can of worms - It's all about choices.

Why is drinking alcohol ok, but taking steroids not ok? Because the govt. says so?

What causes more health issues?

What generates more profits and tax?

What is the significance of this little yellow duck? :borladuck:
 
see...i would rather have a blue duck...ive never seen a blue duck so i drew the duck blue. i thought it would be interesting.
 
i think since im in the age group most of you are talking about i feel its okay to post on this. im 20 now, 21 soon and really agree with what some of you are saying about the change in the younger generation. when i was in high school you would always hear about who was on roids and how big they were. these dudes were like juniors/seniors that were just massive. im a ncaa athlete and i recently got into lifting and now that i know what i do im really wondering how bad these kids f*cked there bodies up? i see some of them now and you can always tell when there on and off there cycles its pretty damn noticeable . and as for fighting everyone is so quick to fight and its never 1 on 1 anymore everything turns into a brawl because people always wanna jump in. i dont know my dad used to tell me stories people back in the day would let them run a fair 1 on 1 but u NEVER see that anymore. everyones a tough guy now. and as for using real gear if your younger than 21, over 18, idk after watching bigger faster stronger it makes me think if you did the real stuff the right way maybe it would be safer.
 
Theres still some good films being made, with great acting. Thats the real draw to film in my mind, demonstration of the art.
 
your saying people got made fun of more or something back then? or there was a lot of noob bashing?


Back in the day, it did not matter if you were new or old.. If you ask a question someone thought was stupid, out of line whatever.. They would flame your ass all the way home.. I remember the GotFina board back then was notorious for it, however it was shut down long long long ago.. Before many of you knew what steroids were..

Someone said the black market is on the way out... :nono2: It will always be here.. More guys choose to use underground labs and injectables than you think..

While I like checking out the designers and all.. Nothing beats the old standard drugs, like bol, test, tren and deca.. If you are in the scene, you will know someone who can get legit ****


From my personal experience the designers are great, but for ultimate mass, strength etc, you are going to get on the big gear.. Plus why the hell would anyone want to tax their liver out with orals..

We used to always say to guys who were afraid of injections, "again back in the day", if you want to take a pill then take supplements..
The top amatuers and Pro's are not taking a host of orals to pack on size etc.. They are whacking in 1000's of milligrams of various injectables along with insulin, IGF1, GH yada yada yada.. the list goes on..

Personally I think the shift you are seeing is from the main stream.. Most mags have went soft.. They are overloaded with bullshit ads about Muscletech this or whatever.. Its F'n stupid as to what is in the mags now.. No one wants to talk about juice or the cycle they are on.. Most Pro's that do, give tiny amounts as to what they really take...

We could go on and on about this for real, but I dont think anything is going to change..

This is a business fella's.. Ad's and companys pay the bills and keep the lights on.. If everyone just talked about the hard core side of things where would this forum be..
 
The more body building, and lifting becomes mainstreamed. The more it gets streamlined. And the more the retarded general population will degrade and ruin it. This is why I have issues with our voting set up. You can vote with an IQ of 50..... Which personally they say average is like 110, I think in America is about 60.

Like all good things, over time idiots will ruin it. It is a fact you really have no choice but to accept. And then choose your path afterwards. Will you go illegal and get the real juice, or do without completely, or wait for the new designers to come out.

Politics is all it is my friends. And unless you are all down with donning G36's and covering the politicians in their own "red tape" we dont really have a choice in this......but seriously if you wanna don the 36's lemme know :usa1:
 
Not owned, I just feel no further to talk in a wasted comment, I prefer to do my talking face to face; not behind a computer screen, I see something that he does not, no biggie. Definitely not owned, take care I'm out.

No more rips on Andrew please. Simple misunderstanding, as we're all guilty of.
 
Hahahaa! No worries, man. I get over-protective of this Country. 15 years of die-hard service does that to Rangers.

Yeah, I wouldn't want you standing in front of my unit either. :D


This thead has gotten way off topic (part of my intitial concern), but I do want to express my gratitude. I have many friends who have served, and my hat is off to you for your 15 years of service.
 
Ive been a long term lurker, purchase da diet off bobo when he was a lot more active on the board and was around before 2004 with another name (forgot password).

The board itself back then, seemed to lack the helpful prominent figures it has now. Answers were a lot more harsh and unrealistic.

Also there is alarmingly high numbers of young guys abusing serious compounds.
 
Ive been a long term lurker, purchase da diet off bobo when he was a lot more active on the board and was around before 2004 with another name (forgot password).

The board itself back then, seemed to lack the helpful prominent figures it has now. Answers were a lot more harsh and unrealistic.

Also there is alarmingly high numbers of young guys abusing serious compounds.

So what do you think, better or worse? I havent heard that handle "Bobo" in a mighty long time.
 
Its a tough one to call, there seemed to be a lot more "serious" trainers back then, or perhaps thats me being subjective because i was a lot less dedicated.

The fluffy marketing of supplements and designer steriods however, has definately brought in the more casual uninformed trainer.

Its a trend across many of the boards i frequent, same thing for MMA boards.

I often think most boards reflect the demograph of a sport/interest. For instance if i take a look around my gym, and based on the guys i talk too, most of them have asked the questions that get asked her, they have taken all manner of compounds without research and most think supplements can make up for a shitty diet then lose motivation when it doesnt.

Perhaps bodybuilding / lifting as a spot is getting "soft" or more casual at least and ABM's is just a mirror of that.
 
He's been a few names but yup that him i believe, he used to be very active IIRC.

Infact im sure 5 years ago i used to see a ton of "RED" names posting.
 
Soft??? ,..

Hell YEAH! ..by post 10 this thread turned into bb.com

I actually sighed when someone had to post this over the top "Don't talk bad about Dr. D"... Really?,..
Now, I love the doc; but I didn't need ALL that to defend him. He is one of the guys who'd reputation defends himself.

The board has been exposed to many new members. Dumb questions will be asked. But the member's that are stuck in my mind as being "stand up" and holding the integrity of the board become more outnumbered by the others.

Running a few logs and getting a bunch of rep doesn't define someone here at AM to me. Those people who can answer your questions with useful information and contribute to the goal of the board are the reason I am still around
 
No more rips on Andrew please. Simple misunderstanding, as we're all guilty of.

Well I wouldn't but he negged me for my post. I was happy that I thought I found someone else who would back me up when I say s-drol is not chemically supressive because he seems to respect Dr. D's opinion. Dr. D has posted on this board that it "blows his mind" how anybody can get shutdown on sdrol unless they are using way to much or for too long.
 
The more body building, and lifting becomes mainstreamed. The more it gets streamlined. And the more the retarded general population will degrade and ruin it. This is why I have issues with our voting set up. You can vote with an IQ of 50..... Which personally they say average is like 110, I think in America is about 60.

jesus christ the average is 110? omg...

geez...i think 85 is the standard on which people are mentally retarded. well...i do see alot of idiots in public..i can believe that.
 
Well I wouldn't but he negged me for my post. I was happy that I thought I found someone else who would back me up when I say s-drol is not chemically supressive because he seems to respect Dr. D's opinion. Dr. D has posted on this board that it "blows his mind" how anybody can get shutdown on sdrol unless they are using way to much or for too long.

Wait, who negged you?
 
Wait, who negged you?

Andrew negged me I guess he didn't understand my post what I got out of his post was that he highly respected Dr.D's opinion As do I. DR. D has said is blows his mind that people become supressed on sdrol becausce of it's myotopic index. So my post was basically saying great I found someone else who agree with my idea that sdrol is unsupressive based on what I have learned from Dr. D and I guess he thought I was trying to attack him or something so he negged me.
 
Ive been a long term lurker, purchase da diet off bobo when he was a lot more active on the board and was around before 2004 with another name (forgot password).

The board itself back then, seemed to lack the helpful prominent figures it has now. Answers were a lot more harsh and unrealistic.

Also there is alarmingly high numbers of young guys abusing serious compounds.

I TOTALLY disagree with that. People back then were just as helpful, if not more-so.

There seems to be a ton of sarcastic, dickish responses to questions these days.

It comes down to there being a huge focus shift, from training, diet, and anabolics, to now being totally focused on supplements. When this happened the tone of the board changed IMO.
 
I TOTALLY disagree with that. People back then were just as helpful, if not more-so.

There seems to be a ton of sarcastic, dickish responses to questions these days.

It comes down to there being a huge focus shift, from training, diet, and anabolics, to now being totally focused on supplements. When this happened the tone of the board changed IMO.


Well back in the days you got "GOOD" help although it might have been harsher. For instance there was a multi page thread for a person who was running plex without great results. he was on his 3rd cycle in a year and if people had read through past post they would of known 1st he wasn't 21 and second he put on ONLY 11lbs naturally before his first Havoc Cycle. WTF in the old days he would of been booted or flamed off the board in a week. Now a days he gets praise for his "HARD WORK" and GREAT Gains. I'm all for encouragement etc. But you can make sub teen bf with out anabolics you can make a gain of 10lbs without anabolics will it be in 3 weeks probablly not but if your diet and training is on you could do it in 3 months. This board has become instant gratification
 
Well back in the days you got "GOOD" help although it might have been harsher. For instance there was a multi page thread for a person who was running plex without great results. he was on his 3rd cycle in a year and if people had read through past post they would of known 1st he wasn't 21 and second he put on ONLY 11lbs naturally before his first Havoc Cycle. WTF in the old days he would of been booted or flamed off the board in a week. Now a days he gets praise for his "HARD WORK" and GREAT Gains. I'm all for encouragement etc. But you can make sub teen bf with out anabolics you can make a gain of 10lbs without anabolics will it be in 3 weeks probablly not but if your diet and training is on you could do it in 3 months. This board has become instant gratification

I dunno, i flamed my fair share of people recently..lol
 
Soft? No, but more so a diversity of members here. I think there has been a shift in knowledge among the age groups and gym go'ers about PH's especially; whereas PH's are becoming more mainstream and common among the public. I remember being introduced to this forum, and to PH's back in 05' by a coworker/friend and at first I thought he was lying to me. My idea of steroidal compounds and such at that time was they were only pinned. I first came on here, and did research for quite a while before touching anything, and I remember looking in the steroid section and not being able to understand anything b/c of the detailed information, as well as the sheer volume, lol.

Nowadays things have changed. I now know at LEAST 10-15 guys in my gym UNDER 21 on PH's, in which half of them actually listened to me, either stopping or revamping their cycle (esp PCT). I think it is more common in High schools and with teens than people would think. From what younger guys in HS tell me, the popularity of them is becoming what creatine was when I was in HS, and is the thing to do: pop a pill, get strong. As a result, Ive heard "what is PCT," or "what is a SERM" many times. So I think a lot more young, inexperienced people tend to come on here, some asking dumb questions without research, or (Im not poking at young posters) cant necessary get involved in detailed threads, b/c they lack the experience of the compounds. I also think many of the vets have moved on, not as a result of what i stated above, but more so as time goes on,.. we all branch out, move on, and do other things in life. Hell there was a time I didn't log on for 6 months due to a hefty school/work schedule. I think a combination of things make it different than it was, but i wouldn't call it soft, or a bad thing at all. Things change,... thats life.
 
Well back in the days you got "GOOD" help although it might have been harsher. For instance there was a multi page thread for a person who was running plex without great results. he was on his 3rd cycle in a year and if people had read through past post they would of known 1st he wasn't 21 and second he put on ONLY 11lbs naturally before his first Havoc Cycle. WTF in the old days he would of been booted or flamed off the board in a week. Now a days he gets praise for his "HARD WORK" and GREAT Gains. I'm all for encouragement etc. But you can make sub teen bf with out anabolics you can make a gain of 10lbs without anabolics will it be in 3 weeks probablly not but if your diet and training is on you could do it in 3 months. This board has become instant gratification

we im not living "back in the day" im on this websight now, and im bodybuilding now, i wasnt around back in the day because im new to the sport. so can we all stop reminising on the past and making me feel depressed about the present. I actually find this site very helpful and refreshing!
 
Is this the same guy that refuses to admit that he messed himself up, and blames the SERM he used? And he is now seeking TRT? That guy deserves the slap in the balls that the Hormonal Gods gave him. ;)
I never once praised him, I did the opposite; however, he would then just blame the SERM for being bunk, and the PH's for doing this and that... blah blah blah!
Well back in the days you got "GOOD" help although it might have been harsher. For instance there was a multi page thread for a person who was running plex without great results. he was on his 3rd cycle in a year and if people had read through past post they would of known 1st he wasn't 21 and second he put on ONLY 11lbs naturally before his first Havoc Cycle. WTF in the old days he would of been booted or flamed off the board in a week. Now a days he gets praise for his "HARD WORK" and GREAT Gains. I'm all for encouragement etc. But you can make sub teen bf with out anabolics you can make a gain of 10lbs without anabolics will it be in 3 weeks probablly not but if your diet and training is on you could do it in 3 months. This board has become instant gratification
 
Soft? No, but more so a diversity of members here. I think there has been a shift in knowledge among the age groups and gym go'ers about PH's especially; whereas PH's are becoming more mainstream and common among the public. I remember being introduced to this forum, and to PH's back in 05' by a coworker/friend and at first I thought he was lying to me. My idea of steroidal compounds and such at that time was they were only pinned. I first came on here, and did research for quite a while before touching anything, and I remember looking in the steroid section and not being able to understand anything b/c of the detailed information, as well as the sheer volume, lol.

Nowadays things have changed. I now know at LEAST 10-15 guys in my gym UNDER 21 on PH's, in which half of them actually listened to me, either stopping or revamping their cycle (esp PCT). I think it is more common in High schools and with teens than people would think. From what younger guys in HS tell me, the popularity of them is becoming what creatine was when I was in HS, and is the thing to do: pop a pill, get strong. As a result, Ive heard "what is PCT," or "what is a SERM" many times. So I think a lot more young, inexperienced people tend to come on here, some asking dumb questions without research, or (Im not poking at young posters) cant necessary get involved in detailed threads, b/c they lack the experience of the compounds. I also think many of the vets have moved on, not as a result of what i stated above, but more so as time goes on,.. we all branch out, move on, and do other things in life. Hell there was a time I didn't log on for 6 months due to a hefty school/work schedule. I think a combination of things make it different than it was, but i wouldn't call it soft, or a bad thing at all. Things change,... thats life.

is it just me, or is it crazy when you see really young kids on PHs that are not even buff....
 
we im not living "back in the day" im on this websight now, and im bodybuilding now, i wasnt around back in the day because im new to the sport. so can we all stop reminising on the past and making me feel depressed about the present. I actually find this site very helpful and refreshing!

It is very helpful. Some just like to complain about sh*t. I know one guy that would rather start threads and attack the "Newbs" (which I hate that word), than to help them.
Whatever, if someone PM's me for help, I will do anything I can for them. And I do this on an hourly basis.
We have tons of helpful members here, and some that really don't have a clue, yet give bad advice. It was like that a year ago, and it will remain the same with the only difference being new names doing it.
This place is great if people take the time to get to know each other and read threads that are of relevancy.
Soft? No.
I've made several off-the-board friends here.
 
As a causal observer most of the time, I think all the new board sponsors have greatly changed the dynamic since i joined. Most of it good, some of it bad.
 
Is this the same guy that refuses to admit that he messed himself up, and blames the SERM he used? And he is now seeking TRT? That guy deserves the slap in the balls that the Hormonal Gods gave him. ;)
I never once praised him, I did the opposite; however, he would then just blame the SERM for being bunk, and the PH's for doing this and that... blah blah blah!

The same one, that doesn't listen to anything anyone tells him? And acts like he has all the answers already, yet continues asking the SAME question?

Ya, i think so..lol
 
As a causal observer most of the time, I think all the new board sponsors have greatly changed the dynamic since i joined. Most of it good, some of it bad.

The only negatives I have really noticed other than mass anabolic issues, would be there were a few issues awhile back with excessive product plugging that was downright irritating. And there are a few products that I will never touch regardless because everyone trying to lose weight, or gain muscle would have this guy throw up basically an advertisement in the thread. A few times ok....once I have seen it 35 times in a week and a half.... then there is an issue. Havent seen that in awhile tho.

The main reason I same IMO all the time is to make sure people know its opinion and not some fact, and not "broscience" if I say anything. And most of the time I am afraid to help someone out because my knowledge is not the best out there.
 
we im not living "back in the day" im on this websight now, and im bodybuilding now, i wasnt around back in the day because im new to the sport. so can we all stop reminising on the past and making me feel depressed about the present. I actually find this site very helpful and refreshing!

LOl we are always going to reminence but if you ask the right questions you'll get the help you need. I know I sent you several pm's doing my best to help you out because you are one of the people on here that take the time to listen and follow the advice you get.
 
LOl we are always going to reminence but if you ask the right questions you'll get the help you need. I know I sent you several pm's doing my best to help you out because you are one of the people on here that take the time to listen and follow the advice you get.

thanks bud!
 
Im just glad the elitist bullshit has 'sort of' been stamped out.

For those guys part of that click its not good news, but it does and has opened the site up to a broader range of trainers; a blessing and a curse.
 
Yeah that could be a pretty bad mess to try and clean up.



We can only hope things improve for him, but its doubtful.

He had other issues too anxiety attacks etc and plus he would NEVER listen He would ask could this be the problem than when we say yes he would come back in like two hours I'm sure this isn't it it must be something else if anyone's answer wasn't to his liking he'd make up and excuse. With that kind of thinking it's no wonder he always had problems. I feel bad for someone that young but he brought it upon himself many people tried to help him warn him etc and he just ignored it.
 
There are stick figures on PH's nowadays

absolutely right!

all these old dudes that say kids today have no "work ethic" aren't just full of **** -- for the most part that's absolutely true.. nobody wants to spend 6 months to gain 10 pounds of lean mass when they could make the same gains in 4 weeks..

in my mind, training and diet are the two most important things for us -- but go make this comparison..

Current total number of people viewing the Nutrition/Health, Weight Loss, Bulking, Recipes, Exercise Science, Contest Prep, Powerlifting, and Training Forums (8 Forums) = 164

Current total number of people viewing the Anabolics and Supplement Forums (2 Forums) = 403

Also.. People in Anabolics Forum = 237 vs. People in Post Cycle Therapy Forum = 31

Those numbers really tell you something about the current AM population..
 
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