Does islam support terrorism?

1. A false prophet's prophesies do not come true.

All of Jesus have, or are starting too if they were based into the future.

2. False Christs and false prophets can show great signs and wonders that can deceive the very elect.

Would muhammad fall into this?

3. False prophets bring forth evil fruits.

Jesus Christ has brought forth a people who are the source of many peoples survival. I have islamic people who are thankful for Christians because we are the only ones to give aid in certain countries through missionary work. Food and Medicine and such. Evil fruit huh?

4. A false prophet would claim that it is enough to say to Jesus Lord to be righteous.

So a false prophet will claims Jesus is lord but not follow his teachings? Thats what we believe too...

5. A false prophet would prophesy in Jesus' name.

You mean the Anti-Christ?

6. A false prophet can cast out devils and do wonderful works.

obama with the economy?

7. A false prophet would be turned away and cursed by Jesus.

True!

LoL

This is easier on this side of it.

Anyhow about muhammed and his wife, and the angel?

To us muhammed would be the first false prophet. I mean, his followers did fall from what would be considered "favor" quite some time ago.

I am just going to cruise for awhile

hey i never said jesus was a false prophet ! , but paul .

Muhammed peace be upon him , when 1st the angel Gabriel " jibreel in arabic" came to with the message from God to Muhammed in cave , a cave that muhammed use to go there for thinkin or meditation he told him " read in the name of your lord" , Muhammed was illetrate , and he didnt belive it was real , like " am i crazy " but not the devil so he told his wife khadija wich did confort him and was the 1st evr to accept islam.
 
here it is why i am convinced that Muhammed " peace be upon him" was in the bible
"Are you THAT Prophet?"
[Bible - John 1:20]
"The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you."
[Bible - John 14:26]
Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "A messenger will come after me,named Ahmad."
[Quran 61:6]
The chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist, "If you are not the Christ (Messiah), and not Elijah - are you THAT Prophet?"
[John 1:20]


the chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist who he was, they asked him in a very strange way. First the questioned him as to whether or not he was the anticipated "Messiah" [Christ in Koine Greek]. He was not the "Messiah" that had hoped for. Next they asked if he was the prophet Elijah and again he tells them, "No." Now comes the really strange part. Finally, they asked him if he is "That Prophet?"

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1. Are you Christ? - [No]
* 2. Are you Elijah? - [No]
* 3. Are you THAT Prophet? - [No]

What did they mean by "That Prophet?" We of course, know who the "Christ" is. After all, Christians should know that "Christ" is merely a shortened form of the Koine Greek word "christos," intended to mean the Hebrew word "Messiah."

The Jews of two thousand years ago were definitely looking for the Messiah, who it was foretold in their books, would come and lead them to victory over their oppressors and thus gain for them mastery over this world. They were very oppressed under Roman domination and even their own Jewish kings were seen as nothing more than puppets or agents for the disbelievers. Certainly, they would have been most happy to see someone come on the scene who would defeat their Roman masters and slave drivers.

Then the priests and Levites asked John the Baptist if he might be the prophet Elijah, returning back after hundreds of years being away. There was the notion amongst them that Elijah would come back. But again, John the Baptist is denying he is Elijah.

Then, who is he? They wonder at this man living out in the desert and forsaking wealth and luxury and fasting, avoiding the material attractions of life.

Again, they ask John the Baptist who he is. "Are you THAT Prophet?" And one more time he denies being "THAT Prophet," but then he does tell them about someone who will come after him soon, whom he claims he is not worthy to even unlace his shoes.

However, this does not answer the question, "Who were they expecting besides the Messiah?" Could it be they were looking for someone like Muhammad? (Could be)

Who is THAT Prophet? -

Keep reading and learn who "That Prophet" is and what other proofs can be discovered within the Holy texts to support this idea.

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For centuries Muslims have believed Jesus, peace be upon him, was "THAT Prophet" mentioned in these words of the Gospel of John. The Quran states one of the important features of Jesus' mission was to give the "bashir" or 'glad tidings' of the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. During his short missionary career that lasted not more than three years, and which was overshadowed by the hostile attitude of his own people, Jesus gave them the good news of Ahmad, (one of the forms of "Muhammad") the last messenger of God, who would perfect the divine teaching both in theory and in practice. The Quran mentions that, Jesus says:

"O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah {Almighty God} (sent) to you, confirming the Law (Torah or Old Testament) before me, and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." (Surah 61:6)

The Quran gives the name as Ahmad, one of several ways to say Muhammad's name. Just as we have in English the name Joseph, and often use a shorter form such as "Joe" or the familiar form, "Joey," and other names like "Jonathan" which becomes "John"; "Jack" or "Johnny", so in the same way we find Arabic has similar forms for a name. Muhammad, Ahmad and Hamad are a few of the names originating from the root word, "hamd" (meaning 'praise) in Arabic, and can be understood as "The one who praises (God)"; "the praised one"; "praising"; etc.

Abdullah Yusuf Ali in his translation of the meanings of the Quran to English, he states, "Ahmad or Muhammad, the Praised One is a translation of the Koine Greek word Periclytos. In the present gospel of John 14:16, 15:26 and 16:7, the Greek word Paracletos is translated in the NIV as Comforter. Paracletos can mean an Advocate, or "one called to the help of another", "a kind friend." Muhammad, peace be upon him, was known from birth as one who brought comfort and reconciliation to family, friends and strangers alike, especially in bringing together the ties of kinship and brotherly love.

Another nick name of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, mentioned in the Bible (or at least what is left of it in the English language) is "The Spirit of Truth." As-Saddiq means exactly that and it is was another name given to Muhammad, peace be upon him, by those who knew his proclivity for honesty and integrity.

The New Testament Gospel according to John, Jesus, peace be upon him, promises them the Paracletos will come four times (John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7). Naturally, Jesus, peace be upon him, did not return in their lifetime nor did any other prophet for that matter, so later thinkers came up with the notion that it was not Jesus "in person" but rather, Jesus coming back in "spirit form." This led some Christians to assert, this was to be the Holy Spirit, who would descend upon the disciples on the Day of the Pentecost (Acts 2), to witness Christ and lead them into the whole truth and to be with the believers forever, and they would not die (John 3:16), but have everlasting life. Also, some added verses later (see footnotes to Revised Standard Version of the Bible) to the very last chapter of Mark (16), wherein, they have the Spirit coming upon them in such a way they imagined themselves going to be able to speak with new languages; pick up snakes, lay hands on the sick to cure them and even drink poison and nothing would hurt them. [Luke 23:17-18]

Another point is, the Paracletos, comforter or the Spirit of truth, was going to dwell with us from now on. Certainly anyone could see Muhammad's influence and his message of worshipping only One God without any partners has prevailed long after his earthly life.
 
hey i never said jesus was a false prophet ! , but paul .

Muhammed peace be upon him , when 1st the angel Gabriel " jibreel in arabic" came to with the message from God to Muhammed in cave , a cave that muhammed use to go there for thinkin or meditation he told him " read in the name of your lord" , Muhammed was illetrate , and he didnt belive it was real , like " am i crazy " but not the devil so he told his wife khadija wich did confort him and was the 1st evr to accept islam.

Paul never claimed to be a prophet. He said he was an apostle. As in a devoted follower
 
Paul never claimed to be a prophet. He said he was an apostle. As in a devoted follower

paul said he met god in his way to damascus! inspired by god only prophets have direct contact , comunication with god directly or through angels!

"And when he (Paul) had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul (Paul) certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests? But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ. And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him: But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him. Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket. And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple. But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem. And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him."
Acts 9:19-29
 
Jesus " peace be upon him " came to confirm teh law of moses, tell me why Christians noways eat pork ; or why they dont use jesus greetings wich was beace be on u " shalom , salam", jesus never used teh cross as a symbol ! why they use it ? wich is pagan " cross of onch" , or christmas that jesus never celebrated it snot even his date of birth?

anyway JESUS christ " peace be upon him" ll be back and teh truth ll shine.
 
paul said he met god in his way to damascus! inspired by god only prophets have direct contact , comunication with god directly or through angels!

Acts 9:19-29

Who says God only talks to a prophet? Hold up a minute. This is the kinda thing that got the Catholic church into an uprising lol. I believe God and speak to me if he so desires. Who are you to tell God what he can and can not do?
 
Jesus " peace be upon him " came to confirm teh law of moses, tell me why Christians noways eat pork ; or why they dont use jesus greetings wich was beace be on u " shalom , salam", jesus never used teh cross as a symbol ! why they use it ? wich is pagan " cross of onch" , or christmas that jesus never celebrated it snot even his date of birth?

anyway JESUS christ " peace be upon him" ll be back and teh truth ll shine.

Jesus said nothing that enters the mouth can corrupt life, but what can come forth from it is what causes corruption. As in eating pork will make you no less a child of God, but the way you speak can. Such as blaspheming, lies, etc.

Jesus never used the Cross as a symbol because he was nailed to it....That is when it became something more than just a cross, it became a representation of our Christs sacrifice.

And Jesus never said to say peace be upon him every time we speak his name. That is religious practice of your faith. Never was it commanded.
 
Who says God only talks to a prophet? Hold up a minute. This is the kinda thing that got the Catholic church into an uprising lol. I believe God and speak to me if he so desires. Who are you to tell God what he can and can not do?

didnt say he cant, God can do anything he wants , nuthing could stop him, his powers are unlimited !

u didnt get me or didnt express well my self ! i meant talk ta you directly like hearing his voice , it can heppen that he talk ta you though visoins or events, but i meant as the prophetic way as sendin you verses , holy books ? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

catholic church say that gOD SPEAKS THOUGH THE pope, pope words are god inspired ! you dont agree with that u get excommunicate.
 
didnt say he cant, God can do anything he wants , nuthing could stop him, his powers are unlimited !

u didnt get me or didnt express well my self ! i meant talk ta you directly like hearing his voice , it can heppen that he talk ta you though visoins or events, but i meant as the prophetic way as sendin you verses , holy books ? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

catholic church say that gOD SPEAKS THOUGH THE pope, pope words are god inspired ! you dont agree with that u get excommunicate.

I am not catholic, for many reasons lol, that one being included. I believe God can speak to me with words with his voice. Plain as day, like a father beside me. Has he? Not so far in my life. Will he? I have no clue.
 
Paul never claimed to be a prophet. He said he was an apostle. As in a devoted follower

Paul is an interesting character to say the least. In fact, the religion itself should be called Paulianity as it was paul who pushed and pushed it to no end.

It is always quite ironic how he was such a strong persecutor of the christians then turned based on a vision, which is interesting later in history with Constantine.

Zero, I understand and respect where you are coming from here, no reason to debate, both of you think your way is correct, while I feel you are both further from the truth
 
Jesus said nothing that enters the mouth can corrupt life, but what can come forth from it is what causes corruption. As in eating pork will make you no less a child of God, but the way you speak can. Such as blaspheming, lies, etc.

Jesus never used the Cross as a symbol because he was nailed to it....That is when it became something more than just a cross, it became a representation of our Christs sacrifice.

And Jesus never said to say peace be upon him every time we speak his name. That is religious practice of your faith. Never was it commanded.

the cross was a pagan religious symbol for years long before jesus. Just an FYI
 
Jesus said nothing that enters the mouth can corrupt life, but what can come forth from it is what causes corruption. As in eating pork will make you no less a child of God, but the way you speak can. Such as blaspheming, lies, etc.

Jesus never used the Cross as a symbol because he was nailed to it....That is when it became something more than just a cross, it became a representation of our Christs sacrifice.

And Jesus never said to say peace be upon him every time we speak his name. That is religious practice of your faith. Never was it commanded.

so u telle me jesus didnt knwe what would happen?, so ppl know better than jesus what symbol should be used too! it means u addin stuff on jesus prophecies which was complete!

i wasnt talkin about saying " peace be upon" with his name , but as he was a jew so his greeting wor salute was shalom " peace" and not hi or good mourning.
 
Zero, I understand and respect where you are coming from here, no reason to debate, both of you think your way is correct, while I feel you are both further from the truth

None of us will make any real points with the other. It is the way of the world. It is why wars rage, boundaries are drawn, and barriers are built. It is our cycle as humans.

I can in some ways relate to Naseem because we both serve the same God at the top, but we differ in how we believe he worked on earth and in our faiths.

I can in some ways relate to you AE because I was a self made student of meditation, mental focus, and deep though back in my days while growing up. Which relates a bit to looking inside and finding yourself like in buddhism.

And I can relate to both of you with the fact I have two arm, legs, eyes, and testes....

We know what we know. Let us just hope that should ever a greater evil arise, we a act as the brothers that honor would demand of us.
 
Thank you.......

I want to take the time to thank all of the folks responded to my original post. The reponses have helped me with my paper. I am putting the finishing touches on it. I don't think it is a masterpeice but hopefully I can get an A out of it at at least a B.

I don't know if there is anything more to contribute to this thread.
I will leave it up to you if you wish to keep it going.

Thanks
DEADn
 
I want to take the time to thank all of the folks responded to my original post. The reponses have helped me with my paper. I am putting the finishing touches on it. I don't think it is a masterpeice but hopefully I can get an A out of it at at least a B.

I don't know if there is anything more to contribute to this thread.
I will leave it up to you if you wish to keep it going.

Thanks
DEADn

You are wecome!, hope it help a bit to get a muslim from a muslim country view,
also juss one thing dont put my name on ya paper i might get a free trip to Guantanamo :lick: lol.
 
Suicide Bombings in the Scales of Islamic Law

Author: Imaam Muhammad Naasir-ud Deen Al-Albaanee
Source: Upcoming SSNA Book "Al-Masjid al-Aqsa - The Path to Its Freedom"
Translator: SSNA Translation Committee al-manhaj.com

Chapter: The Fatwaa of the Muhaddith, Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah)

Question: It has is reported from your eminence that you do not sanction suicide missions. We therefore seek from you a clarification of the issue.

Answer: It is uniformly known amongst the Scholars that it is not permissible for a Muslim to commit suicide to relieve himself of a calamity "financial, painful illness that is terminal or any other thing that has befallen him. Suicide to relieve oneself from these types of hardships is without a doubt Haraam. There are Hadeeth reported in Saheeh Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim that imply that a person taking his own life by consuming poison or piercing himself or any other means (that result in his death) shall result in him being punished with that same mode of death until the Day of Resurrection. Some of the scholars have understood that the person who commits suicide dies as a Kaafir or an unbeliever since the one who commits such an act has malice and distain for His Lord because of the calamities he has faced without patience. Without a doubt, a (true) Muslim could never reach the level whereby he contemplates such a heinous act, let alone carry out the act of taking his own life. In most cases the individual who takes his own life is not a Muâ€کmin †"true believer. Yet it is conceivable that a Muslim may be affected by a contagious evil ideology that may lead him to commit suicide. It is conceivable that such an act could take place. Due to this we say with full conviction and certainty that he (the one who commits suicide) is not a true believer. This is similar to the one who abandons prayer out of Juhood (stubborn rejection) of its legislation and passes away a Muslim named Ahmad bin Muhammad. But if it was known that he denied/disavowed prayer then he is not to be buried within the Muslim burial ground. The same (conditions and verdict) is for the one who commits suicide and it becomes known that his suicide was due to malice and distain for His Lord because of the calamities he faced. We now turn our attention to suicide missions. These suicide missions became infamously known (around the world) because of the Japanese practice of Kamikaze. A man would hurl his warplane towards an American naval vessel, effectively destroying himself along with the plane and as many enemy soldiers as he could muster. All suicide missions in our current time are unsanctioned deeds that are all to be considered Haraam (prohibited). The suicide missions may be of the type that renders its practitioner eternally in the Fire or it could be the type that renders its practitioner to be from those who shall not reside eternally in the Fire as I have just explained. But to view these suicide missions as a being a means to draw near to Allaah (praiseworthy act of worship) by killing oneself today for his land or his country then we say No (it is not an act that is praiseworthy). These suicide missions are not Islamic – period! In fact I say today that which represents the Islamic reality – not the reality that is sought by a few of the (improperly) overly active Muslims – that there is no Jihaad in the Islamic lands at all. Surely there is combat in numerous Muslim countries, but there is no Jihaad that is established under a (solely) Islamic banner, and that is established upon Islamic regulations. From these (missing) regulations are that a soldier is not permitted to act as he (individually and singularly) wishes. He is not permitted to decide for himself what it is that he is to do. Rather he is to be bound to an order from a commander. In turn this commander is not an individual who claims the position (of leadership) for himself and makes himself commander. Rather the commander is delegated the authority from the Khaleefah of the Muslims. So where is the Khaleefah for the Muslims today? Where is the Khaleefah, or for that matter a ruler who raises (solely) the banner of Islaam and calls Muslims to draw near him and perform Jihaad in the way of Allaah (alone)? As long as (we affirm) that Jihaad, according to Islamic (regulations), must fulfill the prerequisite of it being (solely) under the banner of Islaam and (we find that) this banner does not have a commander (during the current era), then we (state) that an Islamic suicide is not permitted (as it is performed today). I am well aware of the fact that suicide was known in the past generations of those who fought with spears, swords and arrows. Some of the forms of that warfare resembled suicide (dueling to the death). Examples of this was when an individual would surge forward and face a large contingent of unbelievers and polytheists – striking them from the right and the left – and (all the while knowing) that few would escape this predicament safely. Therefore is that action permitted? We answer that at times it would be permitted and other times it would not be permitted. If the commander of the army is the Messenger of Allaah and he gave permission to that individual, then it is permitted for him. But for that individual to decide for himself then it is not permitted because it is considered a perilous, hazardous action (at the least) if we do not say that it is a gamble (as well). (Therefore) such an act is not permitted without the explicit order of the Muslim ruler or the Khaleefah of the Muslims. Why? What should be done is that the ruler or the Khaleefah should assess the situation with great care. He is the one who has the knowledge of when it is most appropriate to attack the enemy – 100 Muslims facing 1000 (or more or less of) the enemy. He is the one to order the advance, knowing that from them there may be tens who shall die, and knowing that the eventual victory is for the Muslims. Therefore when the commander of the army of Muslims – delegated that duty by the Muslim Khaleefah – orders a single soldier to employ a particular action from the contemporary means of suicide (missions during the battle) then this is to be considered Jihaad in the way of Allaah. But for a young man, blind (to the realities and intricacies of war) to decide on his own, - as we often hear – to climb the face of a mountain and enter into a fortified location used by the Jews and kill some of them and be killed in the process…what is the benefit of such a deed? These are solely individualized acts that do not have a positive consequential result that is benefiting to the Islamic Call. Therefore we say to the Muslim Youth, “Protect your lives, on the condition that you (use it) in learning your Deen and your Islaam. Become acquainted with it properly and act according to it to the best of your abilities.â€* This course of action and deed, slow and tedious as it may seem, is the deed that shall bear the desired fruit that is sought after by all Muslims, regardless of their varying ideologies and methodologies. All are in agreement that Islaam should be what (we use) to govern, but they dispute in the path (to that objective). Surely the best guidance is that of Muhammad.
 
Islam Attracting Many Survivors of
Rwanda Genocide

Jihad Is Taught as 'Struggle to Heal'
By Emily Wax
Washington Foreign Post Service Monday, September 23, 2002

RUHENGERI, Rwanda -- The villagers with their forest green head wraps and forest green Korans arrived at the mosque on a rainy Sunday afternoon for a lecture for new converts. There was one main topic: jihad.

They found their seats and flipped to the right page. Hands flew in the air. People read passages aloud. And the word jihad -- holy struggle -- echoed again and again through the dark, leaky room.

It wasn't the kind of jihad that has been in the news since Sept. 11, 2001. There were no references to Osama bin Laden, the World Trade Center or suicide bombers. Instead there was only talk of April 6, 1994, the first day of the state-sponsored genocide in which ethnic Hutu extremists killed 800,000 minority Tutsis and Hutu moderates.

"We have our own jihad, and that is our war against ignorance between Hutu and Tutsi. It is our struggle to heal," said Saleh Habimana, the head mufti of Rwanda. "Our jihad is to start respecting each other and living as Rwandans and as Muslims."

Since the genocide, Rwandans have converted to Islam in huge numbers. Muslims now make up 14 percent of the 8.2 million people here in Africa's most Catholic nation, twice as many as before the killings began.

Many converts say they chose Islam because of the role that some Catholic and Protestant leaders played in the genocide. Human rights groups have documented several incidents in which Christian clerics allowed Tutsis to seek refuge in churches, then surrendered them to Hutu death squads, as well as instances of Hutu priests and ministers encouraging their congregations to kill Tutsis. Today some churches serve as memorials to the many people slaughtered among their pews.

Four clergymen are facing genocide charges at the U.N. Created International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, and last year in Belgium, the former colonial power, two Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.

In contrast, many Muslim leaders and families are being honored for protecting and hiding those who were fleeing.

Some say Muslims did this because of the religion's strong dictates against murder, though Christian doctrine proscribes it as well. Others say Muslims, always considered an ostracized minority, were not swept up in the Hutus' campaign of bloodshed and were unafraid of supporting a cause they felt was honorable.

"I know people in America think Muslims are terrorists, but for Rwandans they were our freedom fighters during the genocide," said Jean Pierre Sagahutu, 37, a Tutsi who converted to Islam from Catholicism after his father and nine other members of his family were slaughtered. "I wanted to hide in a church, but that was the worst place to go. Instead, a Muslim family took me. They saved my life."

Sagahutu said his father had worked at a hospital where he was friendly with a Muslim family. They took Sagahutu in, even though they were Hutus. "I watched them pray five times a day. I ate with them and I saw how they lived," he said. "When they pray, Hutu and Tutsi are in the same mosque. There is no difference. I needed to see that."

Islam has long been a religion of the downtrodden. In the Middle East and South Asia, the religion has had a strong focus on outreach to the poor and tackling social ills by banning alcohol and encouraging sexual modesty. In the United States, Malcolm X used a form of Islam to encourage economic and racial empowerment among blacks.

Muslim leaders say they have a natural constituency in Rwanda, where AIDS and poverty have replaced genocide as the most daunting problems. "Islam fits into the fabric of our society. It helps those who are in poverty. It preaches against behaviors that create AIDS. It offers education in the Koran and Arabic when there is not a lot of education being offered," said Habimana, the chief mufti. "I think people can relate to Islam. They are converting as a sign of appreciation to the Muslim community who sheltered them during the genocide."

While Western governments worry that the growth of Islam carries with it the danger of militancy, there are few signs of militant Islam in Rwanda. Nevertheless, some government officials quietly express concern that some of the mosques receive funding from Saudi Arabia, whose dominant Wahhabi sect has been embraced by militant groups in other parts of the world. They also worry that high poverty rates and a traumatized population make Rwanda the perfect breeding ground for Islamic extremism.

But Nish Imiyimana, an imam here in Ruhengeri, about 45 miles northwest of Kigali, the capital, contends: "We have enough of our own problems. We don't want a bomb dropped on us by America. We want American NGOs [nongovernmental organizations] to come and build us hospitals instead."

Imams across the country held meetings after Sept. 11, 2001, to clarify what it means to be a Muslim. "I told everyone, 'Islam means peace,' " said Imiyimana, recalling that the mosque was packed that day. "Considering our track record, it wasn't hard to convince them."

That fact worries the Catholic church. Priests here said they have asked for advice from church leaders in Rome about how to react to the number of converts to Islam.

"The Catholic church has a problem after genocide," said the Rev. Jean Bosco Ntagugire, who works at Kigali churches. "The trust has been broken. We can't say, 'Christians come back.' We have to hope that happens when faith builds again."

To help make that happen, the Catholic church has started to offer youth sports programs and camping trips, Ntagugire said. But Muslims are also reaching out, even forming women's groups that provide classes on child care and being a mother.

At a recent class here, hundreds of women dressed in red, orange and purple head coverings gathered in a dark clay building. They talked about their personal struggle, or jihad, to raise their children well. And afterward, during a lunch of beans and chicken legs, they ate heartily and shared stories about how Muslims saved them during the genocide.

"If it weren't for the Muslims, my whole family would be dead," said Aisha Uwimbabazi, 27, a convert and mother of two children. "I was very, very thankful for Muslim people during the genocide. I thought about it and I really felt it was right to change."
 
Don't Abuse the Concept of Jihad: Grand Mufti

RIYADH, 22 August 2003

Saudi Arabia's highest religious authority urged Muslims yesterday to shun extremism and avoid waging unjustified jihad as the Kingdom cracks down on militants.

In a lengthy statement, Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh told Saudis to listen to their religious authorities and ignore fanatical interpretations of Islam.

"One of the fallouts from extremism in understanding Islam is that some people call for jihad for the sake of God without justification" Sheikh Abdul Aziz said.

"These people raise the banner of jihad to draw the young into their ranks and not to fight for God," he added.

Militants like Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden have often called for jihad against countries they consider "infidel" such as the United States, urging his followers to target Western interests in Saudi Arabia and abroad.

Other militants have also used Islam as a rallying cry, justifying
attacks by saying they are doing God's will.

"Young Muslims must try and better themselves and their country but not through violence, because Islam is not a violent religion, it is a merciful religion," he said.

"A Muslim must understand his religion. It is the duty of the young and the whole Muslim world to know that violence is not a way to achieve reform," Al-Sheikh said.

The grand mufti emphasized that the struggle against a perceived evil should not lead to a greater evil.

"The Prophet (peace be upon him) told us to combat evil. But there is a general rule to look at both advantages and disadvantages. And if fighting an evil leads to a greater one, then that fight is forbidden," he said.

The grand mufti said one of the reasons some people attacked and
frightened others was ignorance.

"Ignorance is a killer disease because a person thinks that he is right when he is wrong," he said and stressed the importance of right guidance. "One of the reasons also is mistrust of our scholars. It is people's duty to trust their scholars and leaders," he said.

Last week, the Kingdom's highest Islamic authority denounced terror attacks in the Kingdom, describing them as "serious criminal acts," and pledged its full support for the government.

"Acts of sabotage such as bombings, murder and destruction of property are serious criminal acts and an aggression against innocent people... which warrant severe and deterrent punishment," the Council of Senior Islamic Scholars said in a statement.

The 17-member council, headed by the grand mufti, declared its support for the actions being taken by the state to track down terrorists in an effort to shield the country from their actions.

The Islamic body had called on the Saudi people to "stand behind the country's leadership and their scholars," at these difficult times in the fight against "evildoers."

The statement dubbed "misguided and ignorant" those who claim that terrorism was part of jihad, or holy war.

It said people who provide shelter to suspected militants were committing a "grave sin."
 
I turned my research paper in today and we all had to talk about it. One other person in the room actually did one about Islamic extremists and how they are spreading across the globe

I posted my paper on my blog. It is about 2000 words. Tell me what you think about it. Personally, I think part of it stinks but maybe I don't give myself enough credit. I don't know.

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I want to take the time to thank all of the folks responded to my original post. The reponses have helped me with my paper. I am putting the finishing touches on it. I don't think it is a masterpeice but hopefully I can get an A out of it at at least a B.

I don't know if there is anything more to contribute to this thread.
I will leave it up to you if you wish to keep it going.

Thanks
DEADn

Good luck on the assignment.
 
I turned my research paper in today and we all had to talk about it. One other person in the room actually did one about Islamic extremists and how they are spreading across the globe

I posted my paper on my blog. It is about 2000 words. Tell me what you think about it. Personally, I think part of it stinks but maybe I don't give myself enough credit. I don't know.

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i did read , i guess u weren't convinced with what i said about islam! but i respect your effort , still you doing some mistake, as teh heart of islam is exactly monotheism " worship god alone , exclusively with no association" the oness of god, in away give the right to god wich there is no deity that has teh right to be worshiped but God, thats teh salvation in islam.

also sunnah means a prophetic way , it s not book called hadith , hadith translated in english gives you teh word Quotes ; there is many books about prophetic quotes as "sahih al bukhari , sahih muslim" , they are not holy books but juss historical work that contains Muhammad's " peace be upon him" quotes , narrations of his way quotes , acts! some f them are not authentic reliable!

al so when you say dar harb it means war zone not any non muslim country.
and you forgot to say about jihad with the sword should be only used as self defense .
 
Also you shouldnt use the term cleric in islam, as tehre no clergy , shcolars but no clergy , a muslim shouldnt follo what shcolars says blindly , but check hi proofs " verses , prophets quotes" wich are a proof in islam.

Hope you get an A, let us know when u get the result.
 
Just wanted to share this. I finally got my research paper back this past Tuesday on this subject. I got an 83 on it. She graded me low in one area because apparently I had too many quotes in the paper. She instructed us to use alot of quotes so I don't get that game. I was graded very high on presentation. I feel like I could present the information in the paper better then the way it reads. Even had a girl tell it my presentation was very hardcore!

I got a 94A in the class so that means my GPA jumped up 10pts which was my endgoal anyway.

Thanks........
 
Just wanted to share this. I finally got my research paper back this past Tuesday on this subject. I got an 83 on it. She graded me low in one area because apparently I had too many quotes in the paper. She instructed us to use alot of quotes so I don't get that game. I was graded very high on presentation. I feel like I could present the information in the paper better then the way it reads. Even had a girl tell it my presentation was very hardcore!

I got a 94A in the class so that means my GPA jumped up 10pts which was my endgoal anyway.

Thanks........

Kool, i am glad u reached ya goal!
 
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