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Introducing P-Mag - Promagnon Clone

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buster0371 said:
if one were already to own a bottle of h-drol, and bout a bottle of p-mag, could one take 50mg or p-mag a day and 25mg of hdrol? or is that retarded?
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Follow this one closely my friend. I'll be giving some detailed info on this one soon ;)
 
GotTest said:
So are you running this now?
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I did back in March before Spring Break, I had good results for not really eating or training properly, but if and when I do it again, I know what to do now, so I will have better results. Have you ran it? or planning on it?
 
KgTomCat said:
I did back in March before Spring Break, I had good results for not really eating or training properly, but if and when I do it again, I know what to do now, so I will have better results. Have you ran it? or planning on it?
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I plan on running it in a couple months stacked with P-Mag.
I will run the Fura @ 300mg/day MINIMUM and run the P-Mag 50mg-75mg/day.
I've read great reviews about H-drol @ 75-100mg/day with Fura @ 500mg/day ...but those damn 33mg Tabs....:dunno:
 
GotTest said:
I plan on running it in a couple months stacked with P-Mag.
I will run the Fura @ 300mg/day MINIMUM and run the P-Mag 50mg-75mg/day.
I've read great reviews about H-drol @ 75-100mg/day with Fura @ 500mg/day ...but those damn 33mg Tabs....:dunno:
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ive had good results with Hdrol, thats why I might do another cycle...but not sure
 
GotTest said:
I plan on running it in a couple months stacked with P-Mag.
I will run the Fura @ 300mg/day MINIMUM and run the P-Mag 50mg-75mg/day.
I've read great reviews about H-drol @ 75-100mg/day with Fura @ 500mg/day ...but those damn 33mg Tabs....:dunno:
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I got lost somewhere in this convo. What 33 mg tabs are everyone talking about?
 
nycste said:
Clostebol Acetate

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Clostebol acetate; Turinabol (do not confuse with Oral Turinabol); chlorotestosterone acetate

Chemical name - 17beta-Acetoxy-4-chloroandrost-4-en-3-one

Systematic name [(8S,9S,10R,13S,14S,17S)-4-chloro-10,13-dimethyl-3-oxo-1,2,6,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17-dodecahydrocyclopenta[a]phenanthren-17-yl] acetate

Index name - Androst-4-en-3-one, 17-(acetyloxy)-4-chloro-, (17-beta)-
(9CI)


by Bill Roberts - This steroid appears to be approximately as effective as Primobolan per milligram or moderately more so. The primary reasons for not using this steroid are its excessive cost and low concentration per mL, requiring large injection volume. It may have antiaromatase activity.
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Ok so after reading this, This would be a good stack with bold200 in terms of mild and someone not looking to blow up but more of a recomp. especially with primo like effects of being more mild on the body hence a fast recovery correct?
 
Backer,
on paper that looks like a good combo. There shouldn't be much bloat on that combo and I suspect that you shouldn't be carb sensitive with that combo either IMO

Buster,
yes, feedback makes them sound like results are going to be real close. Comparing Pmag to Hdrol is one of the things that a few people have asked me to do at the end of my log. So we'll see then :head:
 
celc5 said:
Backer,
on paper that looks like a good combo. There shouldn't be much bloat on that combo and I suspect that you shouldn't be carb sensitive with that combo either IMO

Buster,
yes, feedback makes them sound like results are going to be real close. Comparing Pmag to Hdrol is one of the things that a few people have asked me to do at the end of my log. So we'll see then :head:
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NOICE!!!!!!
 
buster0371 said:
NOICE!!!!!!
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Also I just learned from an extremely reputable source that Pmag may be even MILDER than halo on the liver. This source suggests that back in the day, promagnon was created with hopes that it wouldn't be liver toxic at all to be able run indefinately for people with degenerative diseases. The medical usage obviously got scrapped because IIRC he said it eventually becomes liver toxic... but still not as bad as the usual suspects.
 
maybe celc can shed some light on the subject due to him being a FRICKIN GENIUS!!!! But i would think a SERM isnt necessary.
 
KgTomCat,
the only supplement that I directly blame for increased shedding is 6oxo or TD trione. Nothing else has increased shedding for me, inlcuding Hdrol, Pheraplex, Havoc, and Superdrol. Theoretically, P-mag should be a little androgenic, but I don't expect to shed from Pmag either.

Shutdown should be minimal, also according to the previously referrenced source citing the old studies. IMO no serm needed for this one, unless you have a history of gyno or unresolved gyno. Also IMO, test boosters don't do squat. PCT backbone is some sort of reputable estrogen control and creatine.

P-Mag will NOT cause gyno. But anything hormonal has the potential to aggrevate pre-existing gyno. That goes for any compound or test booster etc

Buster,
You've just read my posts recently. Like I said before, I've been planning for a Pmag cycle for a long time. And formestane is my forte. So, you've just seen my good side. I'm clueless when it comes to tweaking diets and how the helll to get rid of this super mild gyno... the broski theories just aren't working for me :dunno:
 
i know you love formestane.

what results do you EXPECT to see different from this pmag cycle, as opposed to cycling something like a halodrol compound?
 
I have done 2 cycles of Hdrol, a little MMV2, and some small random stuff (Mass FX, 6OXO, 11OXO, Novadex XT, Furaguno) and I havent had any shedding, gyno, acne, shutdown, or anything bad. If I do a cycle, it will be a 'cut' cycle, I'll be doin light cardio and be on top of my diet
 
KgTomCat said:
I have done 2 cycles of Hdrol, a little MMV2, and some small random stuff (Mass FX, 6OXO, 11OXO, Novadex XT, Furaguno) and I havent had any shedding, gyno, acne, shutdown, or anything bad. If I do a cycle, it will be a 'cut' cycle, I'll be doin light cardio and be on top of my diet
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im nowhere near as knowledgable as clec, but there are better options for cutting hormones than pmag correct? even hdrol is better for cutting!
 
In response to your last 2 posts, it should be REALLY close. Maybe just slightly better strength gains and just slightly less fat loss if I were a guessing man.

Diet is key and keeping track along the way is crucial. For example, in my experience, I'd say that Havoc and Phera felt the same AND had the same effect on body comp for me... carb SENSITIVE! But everyone else says how dry and razor sharp epithios are so you just have to be self aware.
 
celc5 said:
Diet is key and keeping track along the way is crucial. For example, in my experience, I'd say that Havoc and Phera felt the same AND had the same effect on body comp for me... carb SENSITIVE! But everyone else says how dry and razor sharp epithios are so you just have to be self aware.
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I second!!
 
KgTomCat said:
how is P-Mag on the hairline, shutdown, and GYNO??? ran at say75-100mg instead of 50-75???
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Shut down is very uncommon w/ P-mag..as far as balding, I really have not heard of it being a problem with users ~~However if u are prone to MPB then it is a possiblity.
I personally see no reason to run above 75mg


KgTomCat said:
and how would PCT for look? basic SERM, Test Booster, and AI?
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Serm is not needed IMO ~ I would use PCT Assist with either Topical Form, 6oxo or Inhibit E
 
wow this is awesome!!! i ran the orig promag-25 for my first cycle...20lbs in 4 weeks. felt awesome the whole time. im DEFFFF gonna be running this next
 
how effective would a 4 week 50mg run be for someone my size? im looking to extend my current cycle (running tren right now) and i loved the promag-25 when i ran it, but i dont think 50mg would do me much good, and i dont have the spare cash to buy 2 bottles
 
TNASTYII said:
how effective would a 4 week 50mg run be for someone my size? im looking to extend my current cycle (running tren right now) and i loved the promag-25 when i ran it, but i dont think 50mg would do me much good, and i dont have the spare cash to buy 2 bottles
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good question
 
TNASTYII said:
how effective would a 4 week 50mg run be for someone my size? im looking to extend my current cycle (running tren right now) and i loved the promag-25 when i ran it, but i dont think 50mg would do me much good, and i dont have the spare cash to buy 2 bottles
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I think that it would vary by the person. Some people will respond fine at 4 weeks at 50 mg where other people might need higher dosing or a longer cycle length.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I think that it would vary by the person. Some people will respond fine at 4 weeks at 50 mg where other people might need higher dosing or a longer cycle length.
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are 5-6 week cycle lengths unsafe. Every knowledgeable person i talk to says strictly 4 weeks max!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
buster0371 said:
are 5-6 week cycle lengths unsafe. Every knowledgeable person i talk to says strictly 4 weeks max!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Alot of people run our H-Drol for 6 week cycles and I have seen where alot of people intend on doing the same with P-Mag.

I think the 4 week rule definately apprlies with some of the stronger compounds though.
 
buster0371 said:
are 5-6 week cycle lengths unsafe. Every knowledgeable person i talk to says strictly 4 weeks max!!!!!!!!!!!!
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supposedly the original clinical trials with the promagnon compound barely showed any liver stress or hpta suppression even at 8 weeks. Not quite as friendly as Anavar, but just slightly less stressful than halo.

I'm planning 6 weeks at 75mg and expect it to be a breeze with minimal consequence. But as CEL said, this isn't an arbitrary dosage or cycle length. 75mg at 6 weeks is the "sweet spot" for making gains with minimal sides at the same time according to most of the feedback ever since the origianl p25 came out. It's a balancing act of sorts.

Btw, I dunno if you could call me knowledgable, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once :p
 
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