Introducing P-Mag - Promagnon Clone

If someone didnt repspond well or like h-drol?

Would P-Mag be different enough, to work in a person who didnt like h-drol?

Thanks.
 
celc5 said:
supposedly the original clinical trials with the promagnon compound barely showed any liver stress or hpta suppression even at 8 weeks. Not quite as friendly as Anavar, but just slightly less stressful than halo.

I'm planning 6 weeks at 75mg and expect it to be a breeze with minimal consequence. But as CEL said, this isn't an arbitrary dosage or cycle length. 75mg at 6 weeks is the "sweet spot" for making gains with minimal sides at the same time according to most of the feedback ever since the origianl p25 came out. It's a balancing act of sorts.

Btw, I dunno if you could call me knowledgable, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once :p
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can you link to theses studies?
 
Mars1107 said:
If someone didnt repspond well or like h-drol?

Would P-Mag be different enough, to work in a person who didnt like h-drol?

Thanks.
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P-Mag and H-Drol are somewhat similiar, but still different enough to where it doesnt mean that because someone does or doesnt like one, that they would or wouldnt the other.
 
I would like to understand how is it possible that you sell P-mag whereas Pro-magnon (Gaspari) has been discontinnued....




About Superdrol, it has been discontinued after the ban in 2005. Why are you and many others companies still able to sell Clones of Superdrol?

Is this same ingredient?
if not can you tell how it is possible to get exactly same result than original superdrol?



In past i was using E-form from Dermabolics it has been discontinued same time than superdrol, pro magnon etc.. after the ban in 2005 how is it possible that companies sell Formestane again? what s new?



regards,
 
None of the compounds you listed were ever banned.

Edit: I see you are not from the US. There may be different laws in your country.
 
masterX said:
I would like to understand how is it possible that you sell P-mag whereas Pro-magnon (Gaspari) has been discontinnued....

About Superdrol, it has been discontinued after the ban in 2005. Why are you and many others companies still able to sell Clones of Superdrol?

Is this same ingredient?
if not can you tell how it is possible to get exactly same result than original superdrol?

In past i was using E-form from Dermabolics it has been discontinued same time than superdrol, pro magnon etc.. after the ban in 2005 how is it possible that companies sell Formestane again? what s new?

regards,
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Promagnon was never banned; my understanding was that the materials got too hard for them to get. We were able to source quality raw materials so here we are.

Superdrol was never banned. AX was just asked to quit selling it.

Also, you referrred to the ban in 2005; neither promagnon or Superdrol were available before the ban, they were introduced after it.

Dermabolics was 'associated/owned by' BulkNutrition. Bulk Nutrition was sold to another company and I think the raws got too hard for them to get, so thats why that product went away.

Hope that clears things up.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
Promagnon was never banned; my understanding was that the materials got too hard for them to get. We were able to source quality raw materials so here we are.

Superdrol was never banned. AX was just asked to quit selling it.

Also, you referrred to the ban in 2005; neither promagnon or Superdrol were available before the ban, they were introduced after it.

Dermabolics was 'associated/owned by' BulkNutrition. Bulk Nutrition was sold to another company and I think the raws got too hard for them to get, so thats why that product went away.

Hope that clears things up.
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Yes, you totally enligthen me on the subject thank you.

Does SD clones ingredient is exactly same as Superdrol?
 
hey, im back...and thinking about doing Pmag/Hdrol for 9 weeks...

Pmag:75/75/75/75/75
Hdrol:0/0/75/100/100/100
Support Supps:Fish Oil, HB, Vit-C, Cycle Support
PCT: Nolva, MT, Blue Up or Diesel Test, PCS, Im not sure what to take for cortisol..? (6OXO?)

what do you think???
Also, Ive done 2 cycles of Hdrol before, so I have experience with the compound, Im open to ?'s
 
looking back at the 'Advanced Cycle', I could run it for 6 instead of 5....
Pmag:75/75/75/75/75/75
Hdrol:0/0/75/100/100/100

I may go to 125 or 150 on the Hdrol...but keep it at 9 weeks total, dont want to cause severe shutdown
 
mw1 said:
I personally dont see the point in stacking those 2 compounds.....
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I like to stick to compounds and stacks that others have had success with. I don't see the novelty in trying to create my own stack :think:

With all the options CEL has to offer, I personally feel that there are much more appropriate stacking options and agree with MW 100%
 
KgTomCat said:
thats what I thought also, ok then what about Havoc or Epi/Hdrol or just Hdrol/Furaguno
Ive never touched Epi/Havoc...and dont really know much
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Instead of just picking and choosing, you could read some logs on various boards that cover Halo/epithio stacks or Halo/Furaz stacks that you just asked about. Your questions are valid, it's just not going to help you to ask the question "which steroids should I take." See my point?
 
celc5 said:
Instead of just picking and choosing, you could read some logs on various boards that cover Halo/epithio stacks or Halo/Furaz stacks that you just asked about. Your questions are valid, it's just not going to help you to ask the question "which steroids should I take." See my point?
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exactly, I have experience with Hdrol and Furaguno, but not stacked. I have read and have friends who have ran Tren based PH's (Epi/Havoc), I've just never considered myself to take it until now, good point, thanks man
 
KgTomCat said:
exactly, I have experience with Hdrol and Furaguno, but not stacked. I have read and have friends who have ran Tren based PH's (Epi/Havoc), I've just never considered myself to take it until now, good point, thanks man
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What are you looking to do?
Bulk, cut, recomp, strength, etc.?

I'm running a cut with HDrol or PMag stacked with Furaguno next month.
I may log this.
 
GotTest said:
What are you looking to do?
Bulk, cut, recomp, strength, etc.?

I'm running a cut with HDrol or PMag stacked with Furaguno next month.
I may log this.
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cut...but some quality LBM wouldnt be a bad thing lol. Ive already done 2 cycles of Hdrol and one cycle of Furaguno, the Furaguno cycle was somewhat half-a$$ed and I still had good reults. Maybe Ill be Pmag/Furaguno
:dunno:
 
KgTomCat said:
cut...but some quality LBM wouldnt be a bad thing lol. Ive already done 2 cycles of Hdrol and one cycle of Furaguno, the Furaguno cycle was somewhat half-a$$ed and I still had good reults. Maybe Ill be Pmag/Furaguno
:dunno:
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Sounds like a good plan.
Fura is more of a "stacker" in my opinion. You'll need to dose >200mg/day too.
The Pmag would be a better option since you've run a few HDrol cycles.
 
GotTest said:
Sounds like a good plan.
Fura is more of a "stacker" in my opinion. You'll need to dose >200mg/day too.
The Pmag would be a better option since you've run a few HDrol cycles.
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thats what I was thinking, also what does anyone think my diet should be like? bulk diet or cut diet...

it may seem like a dumb question, on my first Hdrol cycle, I ate like a horse, and lost BF, if Pmag is stronger....see what Im thinking
 
KgTomCat said:
looking back at the 'Advanced Cycle', I could run it for 6 instead of 5....
Pmag:75/75/75/75/75/75
Hdrol:0/0/75/100/100/100

I may go to 125 or 150 on the Hdrol...but keep it at 9 weeks total, dont want to cause severe shutdown
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I wouldnt do the cycle above.

A couple of good options from the subsequent posts you made:
H-Drol & EQ-Plex
P-Mag & EQ-Plex

I am dying to try a H-Drol/X-Tren stack personally.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I wouldnt do the cycle above.

A couple of good options from the subsequent posts you made:
H-Drol & EQ-Plex
P-Mag & EQ-Plex

I am dying to try a H-Drol/X-Tren stack personally.
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I just found out the Fura's are expired, so now I may be doing Furazadrol, even though its way more expensive, it'll be worth it, heard nothing but good things about Furaz
 
I know we should not stack two methyls but i feel like doing M-drol + P-mag, there is similar stacks on the market M-drol + H-drol... not much difference...



M-drol 20mg Monday/Wednesday/Friday (for 4weeks)

P-Mag 50mg Everyday, weeks 5 up to 75mg? (Complete bottle)

Liv52 + Cycle support ED
 
masterX said:
I know we should not stack two methyls but i feel like doing M-drol + P-mag, there is similar stacks on the market M-drol + H-drol... not much difference...



M-drol 20mg Monday/Wednesday/Friday (for 4weeks)

P-Mag 50mg Everyday, weeks 5 up to 75mg? (Complete bottle)

Liv52 + Cycle support ED
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I would not do M-Drol like that at all. Imo it needs to be used daily or not at all. I would run a 3 week at 10,10,20.

Read up on Liver Assist XT by SNS, I think you will find it far superior to the Liv52 formula for both on cycle and post cycle uses.

And of course, I am going to suggest looking into our Cycle Assist :D
 
masterX said:
I know we should not stack two methyls but i feel like doing M-drol + P-mag, there is similar stacks on the market M-drol + H-drol... not much difference...



M-drol 20mg Monday/Wednesday/Friday (for 4weeks)

P-Mag 50mg Everyday, weeks 5 up to 75mg? (Complete bottle)

Liv52 + Cycle support ED
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If you are talking about some of the "combo" PHs that are out , they are dosed alot less so thats how they combine SD/Halo and whatever else.
 
mw1 said:
If you are talking about some of the "combo" PHs that are out , they are dosed alot less so thats how they combine SD/Halo and whatever else.
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Underdosed?
Cyclobolan for example has 15mg (M-drol) + 12,5mg (Hdrol) it recommends two serving daily for a cycle.

Superdrol + Pheraplex combo is common.


i ve ran like few cycles of M-drol(superdrol, masterdrol, M-drol) i wanted to give a try to pulse method with havoc but i throw it to toilet so much i hate it; instead i m using my favorite ph Methasteron.
According to some people M-drol is good to pulse...

Does the toxicity of P-mag is higher than H-drol, P-plex?

What is the Half life of P-mag?
 
masterX said:
Underdosed?
Cyclobolan for example has 15mg (M-drol) + 12,5mg (Hdrol) it recommends two serving daily for a cycle.

Superdrol + Pheraplex combo is common.


i ve ran like few cycles of M-drol(superdrol, masterdrol, M-drol) i wanted to give a try to pulse method with havoc but i throw it to toilet so much i hate it; instead i m using my favorite ph Methasteron.
According to some people M-drol is good to pulse...

Does the toxicity of P-mag is higher than H-drol, P-plex?

What is the Half life of P-mag?
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12.5 mg of H-Drol twice per day equals 25 mg per day, which is half the the minimum recomended dosage, so yes, underdosed. Also, add irresponsible to the mix of words while we are at it. Methylated ph's need to be used at specific dosages for specific durations of time. For example, M-Drol should never, ever be used for more than 4 weeks, whereas H-Drol is commonly used for 5 to 6.

I would rate P-Mag right beside H-Drol in terms of potential sides.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I would rate P-Mag right beside H-Drol in terms of potential sides.
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and to elaborate, we are talking minimal sides if any at all. It was the most pleasant cycle I've ever ran.

Masterx,
my opinion on Pmag's toxicity was covered earlier in this thread.
 
I m interested to know if this is the same ingredient than p-mag:

4-chloro-17α-methyl-etioallochol-4-ene-17β-ol-3,11-dione

4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol


?

thank you
 
masterX said:
I m interested to know if this is the same ingredient than p-mag:

4-chloro-17α-methyl-etioallochol-4-ene-17β-ol-3,11-dione

4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol


?

thank you
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No, there is a carbonyl group at the 11 position on the first one.
Looks like Oxyguno...right?

Never ran Oxyguno, but hear there's more "punch for the price" with PMag.
 
Yes it is oxyguno
androgenic/anabolic ratio 7:850

where as the

pro-magnon 25 (clone p-mag from CeL)
androgenic/anabolic ratio 50:55

...... from what i read oxyguno and p-mag are both methylated clostebol
 
KgTomCat said:
Hdrol/Furaguno
Pmag/Furaguno

which should I do???
:dunno:
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Either one should be a good run. IMO if you're looking for a bit milder feel and well being, I'd choose the pmag stack. If I were looking for a just slightly more aggressive cycle, I'd choose the Hdrol stack. Both will be productive IMO.

GotTest said:
Never ran Oxyguno, but hear there's more "punch for the price" with PMag.
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I've heard of nothing but lousy results with Oxyguno solo runs. And concerning GT"s bang for the buck statement, I've heard of people dosing it at like 6-10 caps per day and still yawning at the results. I haven't ran oxyguno myself so take that opinion for what it's worth.
 
What do you guys think about running P-Mag with Trenadrol. I was thinking of running P-Mag at 100mg for 30 days then finish up with Trenadrol 90mgs for 30-45 days. Or perhaps even running those doses of each together. Thoughts?
 
GotTest said:
Did you get that info from VIDA?


Close, but not close enough :)
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I got these infos from anabolicminds

Section "anabolics" > OTC "hormones chart"


The info about oxyguno androgenic:anabolic ratio was taken from the write up of manufacturer.
 
sly said:
What do you guys think about running P-Mag with Trenadrol. I was thinking of running P-Mag at 100mg for 30 days then finish up with Trenadrol 90mgs for 30-45 days. Or perhaps even running those doses of each together. Thoughts?
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Learn is running that stack right now:
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Depending on your cycle history, I recommend a solo run first. I wouldn't run the bridge the way you have it set up though. IMO both are fast acting compounds and probably would make a nice shorty cycle stacked.
 
Hey guys, im getting some info together for my first cycle next year and i have gathered that h-drol (or bold) is usualy a pretty standard choice for 1st ph. Since i will be looking for more mass gain and not more cutting, would it be safe to say that p-mag would be a pretty good first ph to run?

This is what i had planned so far:

P-mag or H-drol 50/50/50/50
AI Cycle Support 2 scoops/day for cycle, and prob for PCT (would this be necessary?)
Rage RV-1 Ultra 3 caps/3/3/3 for pct

Also, i have read that serms arent required for these compounds, so i may or may not keep a bottle of nolva on hand.

How does all this sound to you guys?

edit: ive been training about 4 years, 2 years with popper diet and all that. im 5'10 and 170 right now.
 
Since it's your first cycle, there's no gyno history to aggravate. And neither compound has ever caused a "virgin" case of gyno that I've aware of. If you have a serm, fine... but it won't be opened for either hdrol or pmag.

Just a warning that the cycle support taste is pretty bad, and I'm not picky about tastes.

Either way, you are definately on the right track with hdrol or pmag for a first cycle. Bold or EQ Plex is not a good choice for a first cycle in my personal opinion.

Also, great job planning ahead. Since you said "next year," that means you'll have a chance to run some stacks to see what you like for pct. IMO the place you want to start is with CEL TD Formestane or AX Hyperdrol. Either of those can be a foundation for an OTC pct plan.
 
celc5 said:
Since it's your first cycle, there's no gyno history to aggravate. And neither compound has ever caused a "virgin" case of gyno that I've aware of. If you have a serm, fine... but it won't be opened for either hdrol or pmag.

Just a warning that the cycle support taste is pretty bad, and I'm not picky about tastes.

Either way, you are definately on the right track with hdrol or pmag for a first cycle. Bold or EQ Plex is not a good choice for a first cycle in my personal opinion.

Also, great job planning ahead. Since you said "next year," that means you'll have a chance to run some stacks to see what you like for pct. IMO the place you want to start is with CEL TD Formestane or AX Hyperdrol. Either of those can be a foundation for an OTC pct plan.
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formestane td style is nice
 
celc5 said:
Bold or EQ Plex is not a good choice for a first cycle in my personal opinion.
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I agree celc.
I've read this a few times, and just don't see how running a long, high dose cycle that shuts you down pretty good at the end is a "Good" first cycle.:think:
 
Thanks for the advise guys!

The reason i was looking at RV1-Ultra, was because it had 6-bromo and 3, 17-Keto-Etiochol-Triene for AI's, along with trib, longjack and nettle for test boosting. It just looks like the TD Formestane route could get pricey, having to get 2 bottles for pct, along with another free test/test boost.

Edit: Looking into inhibit E, what would the dosing protocol be?
 
celc5 said:
Learn is running that stack right now:
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Depending on your cycle history, I recommend a solo run first. I wouldn't run the bridge the way you have it set up though. IMO both are fast acting compounds and probably would make a nice shorty cycle stacked.
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Thank You, I have run everything under the sun in the last 10 years including Trenadrol solo, So I think I'll run the two together for a strength hardening stack.
 
murman89 said:
Hey guys, im getting some info together for my first cycle next year and i have gathered that h-drol (or bold) is usualy a pretty standard choice for 1st ph. Since i will be looking for more mass gain and not more cutting, would it be safe to say that p-mag would be a pretty good first ph to run?

This is what i had planned so far:

P-mag or H-drol 50/50/50/50
AI Cycle Support 2 scoops/day for cycle, and prob for PCT (would this be necessary?)
Rage RV-1 Ultra 3 caps/3/3/3 for pct

Also, i have read that serms arent required for these compounds, so i may or may not keep a bottle of nolva on hand.

How does all this sound to you guys?

edit: ive been training about 4 years, 2 years with popper diet and all that. im 5'10 and 170 right now.
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H-Drol or P-Mag either one would be good candidates.

Obviously I am going to recomend our Cycle Assist to be used one week prior to your cycle and then on cycle as well. You can run it during your PCT, but I actually prefer Liver Assist XT by SNS to be used during the PCT portion.

I dont think your nolva would get opened for either P-MAg or H-Drol.

murman89 said:
Thanks for the advise guys!

The reason i was looking at RV1-Ultra, was because it had 6-bromo and 3, 17-Keto-Etiochol-Triene for AI's, along with trib, longjack and nettle for test boosting. It just looks like the TD Formestane route could get pricey, having to get 2 bottles for pct, along with another free test/test boost.

Edit: Looking into inhibit E, what would the dosing protocol be?
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I dont even know who makes RV1-Ultra, so this statement has nothing to do with that particular product, but there is alot of bad ATD and 6-bromo going around right now, so be very careful of whose you use.

Inhibit-E is a good option if you dont want to go with our topical formestane. I would run it 50/50/50/25 if it were me. I stack it with Liver Assist XT and our PCT Assist.
 
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