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Simmons goes toe to toe with Primordials 1-T TREN (Log)

APRIL 15
DAY 20

Alright fellas. Day 20! I killed my chest and tris tonight. I felt great in the gym; almost like the energizer bunny. I just wanted to keep going, and going, and going...:D

I noticed a jump in strength and endurance in all exercises. I even threw an extra chest exercise into my session. Lol I just couldn't get enough.
My triceps also feel especially worn out at the moment. I pounded them pretty hard. :eek:

I believe the product is really kicking in right now (end of week 3), which is exactly what Primordial said would happen.

My weight today: 208.5 pounds, which is +10.5 pounds. :food:

Tomorrow will conclude week three, and I'll update with some pictures. :cool:
Being that I see myself in the mirror everyday, it's difficult to judge progress. However, I think I'll have a better idea after I snap some pics and compare the old with the new. I can't wait to see what the pictures from the sixth week will look like next to the before pics.
 
since the stack is Non-methylated - Non-toxic to the liver does that mean figuratively you can drink alcohol while on cycle? unlike pill pro-hormones?
 
simmons said:
APRIL 15
DAY 20

Alright fellas. Day 20! I killed my chest and tris tonight. I felt great in the gym; almost like the energizer bunny. I just wanted to keep going, and going, and going...:D

I noticed a jump in strength and endurance in all exercises. I even threw an extra chest exercise into my session. Lol I just couldn't get enough.
My triceps also feel especially worn out at the moment. I pounded them pretty hard. :eek:

I believe the product is really kicking in right now (end of week 3), which is exactly what Primordial said would happen.

My weight today: 208.5 pounds, which is +10.5 pounds. :food:

Tomorrow will conclude week three, and I'll update with some pictures. :cool:
Being that I see myself in the mirror everyday, it's difficult to judge progress. However, I think I'll have a better idea after I snap some pics and compare the old with the new. I can't wait to see what the pictures from the sixth week will look like next to the before pics.
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That looks great bro! 10.5 lbs?! I think the product has already kicked in!! Im surprised you dont see more in the mirror having gained 10 lbs. How many weeks does this get run? Cant wait to see pics!!
 
qwerty33 said:
since the stack is Non-methylated - Non-toxic to the liver does that mean figuratively you can drink alcohol while on cycle? unlike pill pro-hormones?
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Someone else will have to confirm this with me (is there a biochemist in the house???) but I would tentatively say...yes.

Although the other effects of alcohol on muscle protein synthesis and testosterone levels are enough to keep me t total forever! ;)
 
Hey guys. I'll update with pictures tomorrow, when I have the opportunity to take them with some natural sunlight. I'll also give an overview of week three.
 
simmons said:
Hey guys. I'll update with pictures tomorrow, when I have the opportunity to take them with some natural sunlight. I'll also give an overview of week three.
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Looking forward to it mate! Keep lifting hard before then! :)
 
For drinking while on 1-T Tren, there was a thread on it, and while it's not as dumb as drinking while on a methyl, it will still seriously inhibit your gains and is rather counter-productive to the entire idea of a cycle. They aren't cheap, why shortchange yourself of results?

I keep switching between your 2 logs Simmons lol :) Looking good though. T- ~2 weeks for mine.
 
UKStrength said:
Looking forward to it mate! Keep lifting hard before then! :)
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Thanks.

Random181 said:
How are you feeling in terms of shutdown?
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Well, I don't necessarily "feel" shutdown. I am using Sustain Alpha while on-cycle, so this should be helping me out.
I don't have any nasty sides. If I have testicular atrophy it's mild. My libido has been fine thus far.

I don't have any blood work to give an official answer as far as natural production is concerned.

Steveoph said:
For drinking while on 1-T Tren, there was a thread on it, and while it's not as dumb as drinking while on a methyl, it will still seriously inhibit your gains and is rather counter-productive to the entire idea of a cycle. They aren't cheap, why shortchange yourself of results?

I keep switching between your 2 logs Simmons lol :) Looking good though. T- ~2 weeks for mine.
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This is one reason why I don't drink much anymore, on or off-cycle.

Thanks for the compliments. I'm looking forward to your log. Maybe Canadians possess some special gene that will make your gains hulk-like...
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/\ Ha ha I had to go with the original Hulk, Lou Ferrigno. :lol:
 
PICTURE UPDATE

Here are some new pictures. I placed the old pictures before the new. So, the before back picture is on the top, and so is the before frontal view picture. Or, you can just look at the dates ;)

Remember, this is only the week 3 mark. I still have a ton of progress to make, as I believe the 1-T Tren has only really started to kick in.

I'll get on here later and give an overview of week 3.

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Steveoph said:
For drinking while on 1-T Tren, there was a thread on it, and while it's not as dumb as drinking while on a methyl, it will still seriously inhibit your gains and is rather counter-productive to the entire idea of a cycle. They aren't cheap, why shortchange yourself of results?

I keep switching between your 2 logs Simmons lol :) Looking good though. T- ~2 weeks for mine.
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Totally agree. Drinking and cycling dont mix. Its too much planning, dedication and effort to toss out results with a few cocktails.
 
APRIL 16*
END WEEK 3

*Edit: I originally typed April 17, but I meant April 16 (Day 21).

Week three was great. I really felt that the 1-T Tren started producing more noticeable strength gains this past week. I'm only half way through the cycle, so I expect to pack on more mass and see some big jumps in strength in the upcoming weeks.

My weight is still around 208.5 pounds, which puts the increase thus far at +10.5 pounds.

Strength: Starting to notice larger increases in the strength department. I suspect that I've only experienced the initial strength gains of the 6-week cycle, and I'm sure that my increases will become more impressive.
Sides: No nasty sides so far. I've experienced some minor back pumps, but nothing serious. If I have any testicular atrophy, it is mild. I haven't experienced any hair loss. I have only experienced touches of minor lethargy here and there. I have no gyno symptoms. My aggression isn't out of hand either.
I'd like to add that I'm still perspiring more throughout the day and in the gym. In addition, I still get the alpha male feeling, everywhere I go. :D
Overall, I really have not had to deal with anything serious concerning negative sides. I'm very pleased about that.
Libido: Still going at this point. Sustain Alpha must be working.
Overall feeling: I feel damn good. At this point, I'm both excited and pleased to be experiencing success. This is the time when I should start seeing the more significant effects of the 1-T Tren. While "on" I really look forward to visiting the gym (more than usual) and pushing myself.
Let's see what week 4 brings...:cool:
 
simmons said:
APRIL 17
END WEEK 3

Week three was great. I really felt that the 1-T Tren started producing more noticeable strength gains this past week. I'm only half way through the cycle, so I expect to pack on more mass and see some big jumps in strength in the upcoming weeks.

My weight is still around 208.5 pounds, which puts the increase thus far at +10.5 pounds.

Strength: Starting to notice larger increases in the strength department. I suspect that I've only experienced the initial strength gains of the 6-week cycle, and I'm sure that my increases will become more impressive.
Sides: No nasty sides so far. I've experienced some minor back pumps, but nothing serious. If I have any testicular atrophy, it is mild. I haven't experienced any hair loss. I have only experienced touches of minor lethargy here and there. I have no gyno symptoms. My aggression isn't out of hand either.
I'd like to add that I'm still perspiring more throughout the day and in the gym. In addition, I still get the alpha male feeling, everywhere I go. :D
Overall, I really have not had to deal with anything serious concerning negative sides. I'm very pleased about that.
Libido: Still going at this point. Sustain Alpha must be working.
Overall feeling: I feel damn good. At this point, I'm both excited and pleased to be experiencing success. This is the time when I should start seeing the more significant effects of the 1-T Tren. While "on" I really look forward to visiting the gym (more than usual) and pushing myself.
Let's see what week 4 brings...:cool:
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Wow, sounds awesome brother, very informative as well. Good to hear about the lack of sides, especially so far into the run. Great job so far sim.
 
APRIL 17
Day 22
OFF

APRIL 18
DAY 23

Awesome leg workout today. On my Super Human Radio interview, I stated that I had gone up about 25 pounds for sets on squats, but today I surpassed that. I was using about 40 pounds more on my last couple sets than I did before this cycle. That's pretty good in my book. :cool:

I also stated in that interview that I was using about 15-20 pounds more for sets on bench, and about 20 pounds more for sets on deadlifts. After my workout today, I guarantee that I have surpassed those numbers as well. I wish the interview would have been conducted a little later in my cycle, so I could give a better idea to the people about what this stuff can do.
 
simmons said:
APRIL 17
Day 22
OFF

APRIL 18
DAY 23

Awesome leg workout today. On my Super Human Radio interview, I stated that I had gone up about 25 pounds for sets on squats, but today I surpassed that. I was using about 40 pounds more on my last couple sets than I did before this cycle. That's pretty good in my book. :cool:

I also stated in that interview that I was using about 15-20 pounds more for sets on bench, and about 20 pounds more for sets on deadlifts. After my workout today, I guarantee that I have surpassed those numbers as well. I wish the interview would have been conducted a little later in my cycle, so I could give a better idea to the people about what this stuff can do.
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Wow thats pretty impressive. I cant wait to run this. think i may stack it with a form product. Thoughts?
 
2 questions

do you know if epxosure to sunlight is bad while useing 1-T tren and sustain alpha?

are you using toco-8 and endoamp? what do you think of these products? my budget is tight and wondering if there really worth it.
 
dedlifter1 said:
Wow thats pretty impressive. I cant wait to run this. think i may stack it with a form product. Thoughts?
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Form would go nicely; start a low dose on week 2, then go 100-150mg/day on weeks 3-5, then taper down on week 6/1st week PCT.

As for the sunlight, Eric answered this Q. One sec
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If you know how to avoid a sunburn you will be fine. A couple of the topical ingredients have a light photo-sensitizing effect… but nothing too serious… Just know that if you plan on laying out in the sun all day Sustain will accelerate your tanning about 10-15% unless you apply sun block.

There is nothing wrong with getting sun on the site of application, in fact a lot of the ingredients are skin regenerators and moisturizers, so they will actually help repair your skin if you do become sun burned.

-Eric
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simmons said:
APRIL 17
Day 22
OFF

APRIL 18
DAY 23

Awesome leg workout today. On my Super Human Radio interview, I stated that I had gone up about 25 pounds for sets on squats, but today I surpassed that. I was using about 40 pounds more on my last couple sets than I did before this cycle. That's pretty good in my book. :cool:

I also stated in that interview that I was using about 15-20 pounds more for sets on bench, and about 20 pounds more for sets on deadlifts. After my workout today, I guarantee that I have surpassed those numbers as well. I wish the interview would have been conducted a little later in my cycle, so I could give a better idea to the people about what this stuff can do.
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what r you doing online GET YOUR ASS TO THE GYM!!!! LOL
 
Steveoph said:
Form would go nicely; start a low dose on week 2, then go 100-150mg/day on weeks 3-5, then taper down on week 6/1st week PCT.

As for the sunlight, Eric answered this Q. One sec
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I'm going to start calling you Steveo the Almighty.

"We're not worthy. We're not worthy."

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Squatting 40lbs more??? That's frigging ridiculous mate! I'll bathe in this stuff it it smacks another 20kg on my squat!
 
qwerty33 said:
2 questions

do you know if epxosure to sunlight is bad while useing 1-T tren and sustain alpha?

are you using toco-8 and endoamp? what do you think of these products? my budget is tight and wondering if there really worth it.
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As for your second question, I believe they are both very good products. If you order the Xtreme Hardcore Muscle Stack, which is what I did, it comes with two bottles of the 1-T Tren, and the Testosterone Recovery Stack (EndoAmp Max, Toco-8, Sustain Alpha) for PCT.
 
simmons said:
Ha ha. Whatever. This is my workout. I just type on the keyboard all day long. I've gained 11 pounds of muscle on 1-T Tren so far, just from typing a bunch every day. :lol:
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LOL if that was the case i would be a monster LOL
 
APRIL 19
DAY 24

Chest/Triceps
I had a damn good chest workout yesterday. As expected, my strength was up significantly. My performance on flat BB bench was great, and I did better on incline DB bench than I ever have. :cool:

APRIL 20
DAY 25

Back/Biceps
Another fantastic workout tonight. I have to say, this stuff makes me want to live in the gym. After I finish my workouts, I end up wanting to do more and more.
That being said, my strength and endurance were great this evening. I blasted my back and biceps. I'm definitely progressing more and more every time I hit the gym.
I felt completely energized during my workout tonight, and I felt fantastic after leaving the gym.
I love the feeling after a great session in the gym!

I've also received a couple comments from people who are noticing a difference in my size, which makes me feel pretty good.

My weight tonight was 209.75 pounds, which is an increase of 11.75 pounds. Not too bad. I may increase my caloric intake a bit more.

BTW, I think that pesky shirt shrinking gnome is in my house again. :D
Someone made the comment today that it looked like I needed to get some bigger shirts.

UPDATE

I picked up some Powerfull today (1-carboxy) and I will be using it from here on out. I'm going to drop the vitex and see how things go. If I have no gyno symptoms, I'll stick with the 1-carboxy and p5p.
 
simmons said:
APRIL 19
DAY 24

Chest/Triceps
I had a damn good chest workout yesterday. As expected, my strength was up significantly. My performance on flat BB bench was great, and I did better on incline DB bench than I ever have. :cool:

APRIL 20
DAY 25

Back/Biceps
Another fantastic workout tonight. I have to say, this stuff makes me want to live in the gym. After I finish my workouts, I end up wanting to do more and more.
That being said, my strength and endurance were great this evening. I blasted my back and biceps. I'm definitely progressing more and more every time I hit the gym.
I felt completely energized during my workout tonight, and I felt fantastic after leaving the gym.
I love the feeling after a great session in the gym!

I've also received a couple comments from people who are noticing a difference in my size, which makes me feel pretty good.

My weight tonight was 209.75 pounds, which is an increase of 11.75 pounds. Not too bad. I may increase my caloric intake a bit more.

BTW, I think that pesky shirt shrinking gnome is in my house again. :D
Someone made the comment today that it looked like I needed to get some bigger shirts.

UPDATE

I picked up some Powerfull today (1-carboxy) and I will be using it from here on out. I'm going to drop the vitex and see how things go. If I have no gyno symptoms, I'll stick with the 1-carboxy and p5p.
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Looking good!! Those damn gnomes!! They havent been to my house in awhile:worried: Maybe once i start this stuff.......:dunno:
 
I just listened to the interview, great job bro.

I may have missed this, but have you been experiencing any night sweats?
 
I thought with this product gyno is not suppost to be a problem? why were you takeing vitex and now powerful. isnt sustain alpha during and after good enough?

"picked up some Powerfull today (1-carboxy) and I will be using it from here on out. I'm going to drop the vitex and see how things go. If I have no gyno symptoms, I'll stick with the 1-carboxy and p5p."
 
qwerty33 said:
I thought with this product gyno is not suppost to be a problem? why were you takeing vitex and now powerful. isnt sustain alpha during and after good enough?

"picked up some Powerfull today (1-carboxy) and I will be using it from here on out. I'm going to drop the vitex and see how things go. If I have no gyno symptoms, I'll stick with the 1-carboxy and p5p."
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SA won't help with progesterone related gyno while on cycle. This is where the Vitex comes in. 19-nor (which is what is in 1T Tren) can activate progesterone receptors which can cause gyno. But by using Vitex, this should be kept under control.
 
so then what is the powerfull for? i am about to run this cycle and want to have all health angles covered. i thought that the XMS was sufficient without any other supps
 
qwerty33 said:
so then what is the powerfull for? i am about to run this cycle and want to have all health angles covered. i thought that the XMS was sufficient without any other supps
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The Powerfull or bulk 1-carboxy is basically for the same thing while on-cycle. The reason I decided to try it is because vitex can lower test. I haven't had any gyno symptoms thus far, but if I begin to experience some sides then I will use the vitex again.

If you plan on running this cycle, I would grab some vitex and have it on hand. If you experience symptoms, use it. If you don't experience symptoms, then don't worry about it.

It is just a possible side from the 19-nor. That's also why I have been using p5p daily.
 
so Chasteberry Ultra (Vitex), 200mg Blend (60 capsules) is what your talking about? its cheep so i should not have a problem getting it. Invalid Link Removed

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also what dosage and what weeks do you tun vitex and p5p?
 
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