What products would you like to see us make?

CompEdgeLabs said:
Thats what I thought he meant. I hadnt seen it overly suggested in the thread though.

For anyone still following this thread, if you want to see that, please chime in and let me know.
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i want a methyl 1-alpha clone!!!!!!!!!there were some requests in here. Invalid Link Removed
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
Thats what I thought he meant. I hadnt seen it overly suggested in the thread though.

For anyone still following this thread, if you want to see that, please chime in and let me know.
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Definitely on board for M1A! :usa1:
 
DMOORE30 said:
I WANT A METHYL-STENBOLONE CLONE OTHER THAN FROM IDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAKE IT HAPPEN CEL!
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+10000

Real Methyl-Stenbolone (1-ene SD) from a reputable company (like CEL) would be the best!!!!!


About M1A: Why not simply 1-AD? I'm not sure, but i think M1A is methyl-1AD, but 1-AD has a good anabolic effect without methylation, so why rise its toxicity making it methylated? Why not simply pure 1-AD?

1-AD could be "stackable" with any methylated ph, but m1a not (too much toxicity)
 
JBerto said:
+10000

Real Methyl-Stenbolone (1-ene SD) from a reputable company (like CEL) would be the best!!!!!


About M1A: Why not simply 1-AD? I'm not sure, but i think M1A is methyl-1AD, but 1-AD has a good anabolic effect without methylation, so why rise its toxicity making it methylated? Why not simply pure 1-AD?

1-AD could be "stackable" with any methylated ph, but m1a not (too much toxicity)
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Because it is banned.
 
how about a methyl rage type product or an M5AA compound.
 
i believe so but i meant kind of a take off of it maybe along the lines of mmv2.:)

but without the Y
 
JBerto said:
DMOORE30 said:
I WANT A METHYL-STENBOLONE CLONE OTHER THAN FROM IDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAKE IT HAPPEN CEL!
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+10000

Real Methyl-Stenbolone (1-ene SD) from a reputable company (like CEL) would be the best!!!!!


About M1A: Why not simply 1-AD? I'm not sure, but i think M1A is methyl-1AD, but 1-AD has a good anabolic effect without methylation, so why rise its toxicity making it methylated? Why not simply pure 1-AD?

1-AD could be "stackable" with any methylated ph, but m1a not (too much toxicity)
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ozarkaBRAND said:
Because it is banned.
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1-androstenedione and 1-androstenediol are banned, but 1-androstenolone (1-AD "v3") its not banned.

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CompEdgeLabs said:
Alright guys, for everyone that wants one, give me a little help - mg per serving, servings per bottle, same as M1A, stronger????? Trying to get an idea what everyone would like to see.

Also, what other clones of M1A are available?
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i believe the lg original M1A and methyl xt by est are the only clones.but im not sure if methyl xt really is a clone or what some say it is and some say it isnt.
 
jambarino said:
i believe the lg original M1A and methyl xt by est are the only clones.but im not sure if methyl xt really is a clone or what some say it is and some say it isnt.
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I dont believe that it was a clone of it. Just my opinion.

As for original M1A, I thought there was some doubt as to what it itself actually was, or am I confused?
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I dont believe that it was a clone of it. Just my opinion.

As for original M1A, I thought there was some doubt as to what it itself actually was, or am I confused?
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well ive researched both of them pretty extensively and ive came up with no definitive answer.both methyl xt and M1A have the same chemical formula which is suppose to be methyliated 1-AD.patrick arnold had somewhat confirmed this on bb.com but said the chemical naming they used is a trainwreck.alot of diferent opinions as to what the compound does.some say its a bulker others say its dry with good strength gains.some say its a prohormone to M1T.others say it converts to a little bit of 1-AD and M1T.all in all ive come up with nothing but a headache after reserching this.
 
jambarino said:
well ive researched both of them pretty extensively and ive came up with no definitive answer.both methyl xt and M1A have the same chemical formula which is suppose to be methyliated 1-AD.patrick arnold had somewhat confirmed this on bb.com but said the chemical naming they used is a trainwreck.alot of diferent opinions as to what the compound does.some say its a bulker others say its dry with good strength gains.some say its a prohormone to M1T.others say it converts to a little bit of 1-AD and M1T.all in all ive come up with nothing but a headache after reserching this.
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I was just never convinced that there was the same compound in both products. I know it was supposed to be, but you know how that goes sometimes.

Hell, what name am I even supposed to be trying to source lol
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I was just never convinced that there was the same compound in both products. I know it was supposed to be, but you know how that goes sometimes.

Hell, what name am I even supposed to be trying to source lol
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yea after comparing alot of reviews from both i think maybe est had some bunk batches or just lied about what was in it.who knows.hell i dont know what name to look for either as far as the compound.i wonder if any of the lg reps know anything??
 
mw1 said:
My personal product of interest would be a topical joint support since VPX Glucosacream has been discontinued
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I second this one. I have a few bottles of glucosacream stashed away. I usually end up using it for a few days on cycle and can discontinue use without pain returning. It was good stuff for what maybe 13 or 14 bucks?

In my experience, pretty much all the cissus variations worked. But none of them as quickly as glucosacream.
 
celc5 said:
I second this one. I have a few bottles of glucosacream stashed away. I usually end up using it for a few days on cycle and can discontinue use without pain returning. It was good stuff for what maybe 13 or 14 bucks?

In my experience, pretty much all the cissus variations worked. But none of them as quickly as glucosacream.
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We need to get more on the bandwagon and send a barrage of requests for it :yup:




...its amazing how many different groups of people used it..not just BBrs but runners, seniors ,etc
 
mw1 said:
We need to get more on the bandwagon and send a barrage of requests for it :yup:

...its amazing how many different groups of people used it..not just BBrs but runners, seniors ,etc
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Well, I've had poor feedback from people with "real" joint issues. But it's unrealistic to think that any supplement is going to be a cure all.

I think it works well for me for stuff like AI or designer enduced joint stiffness/soreness. Right up CEL's alley ;)
 
TexasLifter89 said:
x2

something exotic other than the typical stuff :D
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Yeah!!! MethylSten by a reputable company like CEL would be great!


Talking about MethylSten: Stenbolone is 2-methyl-5-androst-1-en-3-one,17b-ol, and Superdrol is 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol, so I assumed MethylSten was 17a-methyl-Stenbolone = 1-ene-SD, so it must be better than SD, because the "1-ene" rise the Q ratio of a compound.

BUT according to some guy at bb.com forums (is a Ergopharm's Rep) MethylSten can't be 1-ene-SD, because its imposible to have a 1-ene with a 2a-methylation.
 
JBerto said:
Yeah!!! MethylSten by a reputable company like CEL would be great!


Talking about MethylSten: Stenbolone is 2-methyl-5-androst-1-en-3-one,17b-ol, and Superdrol is 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol, so I assumed MethylSten was 17a-methyl-Stenbolone = 1-ene-SD, so it must be better than SD, because the "1-ene" rise the Q ratio of a compound.

BUT according to some guy at bb.com forums (is a Ergopharm's Rep) MethylSten can't be 1-ene-SD, because its imposible to have a 1-ene with a 2a-methylation.
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who knows... I never used mass tabs or know that much about it but I do have some of the new Mass Tabs... Same thing? I have no clue, but I figured it was a chance to stumble upon something

CEL I think this would be sweet, orastan-a would be cool too. I would just like to see something out of the ordinary, something that would catch my eye...
 
I think a methyl sten clone would be amazing. I have seen nothing but great feedback from mass tabs users.
 
Problem said:
I'm a fan of ATD, and a low dose would allow me to play with it, increase or decrease till i find my "sweet spot".

I have no clue how companies setteled on 25mg.
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IIRC, the bulk powder used to be super cheap and readily available. Bummer that it's tough to find now. It also works in TD, but I'm not convinced that bioavailability is enhanced all that much for TD ATD as compared to oral :dunno:

...bump for the Glucosacream clone :wave:
 
Problem said:
I'm a fan of ATD, and a low dose would allow me to play with it, increase or decrease till i find my "sweet spot".

I have no clue how companies setteled on 25mg.
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I've been saying this forever and I know that others will agree with you too!

I also like the idea of 5mg tabs of superdrol, but I'm really sensitive to that stuff...
 
McBain2 said:
JBerto said:
BTW, now that iForce has "re-discovered" de "azine-technology", i've found another interesting azinated compound in Vida, similar to DMZ:

17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane-3,3-azine

Its dymethazine but without the 2a-methyl, and according to Vida (page 90) it possess 300% anabolic activity and 20% androgenic activity than Methyltestosterone when administered orally (in Vida DMZ is only 210%, 95% QUOTE]
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JBerto said:
McBain2 said:
Dimethazine!...nice work fellas, I'd love to try the ph versions of the more obscure designers out there
having suggested
1)methyl stenbolone already or similar like
2)methyl-primobolan,
3) 6 methyl primobolan acetate for us with damaged livers)
Also, how about a tren/progestin derivative...like
4)1,6 di-methyl trenbolone acetate. or a precursor to
5)6,17 Di-methyl DHTor
6) 1,6 di-methy Dihydro boldenone acteate...not liver toxic like M1T but hopfully similar effect...or would that be similar to methyl sten and 6-methyl primo?
7)if a bolasterone precurser is do-able then that would be great, but with 4ad banned I guess its not possible? or can you clever chemists come up with a way to use our liver and gut enzymes to "create" a testosterone molecule from a legal "inert" parent molecule?
8) would a modification to the 11 position to any of these molecules have an anti cortisol effect?
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M-1-T azine would definitly be the $h!*....
also in addition to my previous post maybe (in addition to molecules below, adding 17a methyl also):
-Methyl primo-azine
-6,-methyl-test-azine (aka bolasterone-azine)
- DHT-azine
-4 hydroxy test azine
-4 hydroxy nandrolone azine
-azine- trenbolone (metribolone?) (may be too similar to 4-hydroxy nandro-17-azine though, however I would think the 11ene in tren would make it mor effective thank 4OHN)
-azine-boldenone (aka dbol-azine)


As I stated in a previous post, any of these compounds that can be made orally available by adding 1 or 6 methyl groups etc..and something like a 17-thp-ether (or anything other than 17a-methyl that protects from liver 1st pass) OR even Better a 13-ethyl-17-ethynyl to avoid liver damage, similar to the way progestins are modified in oral contraceptives, that would be HUGE.
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i was just wondering why you guys cloned the promagnon but you didnt use 90 caps per bottle idea? that was the first suggestion in here. i love that you guys cloned it, but even 75 caps or something would have been even better!
 
McBain2 said:
McBain2 said:
JBerto said:
BTW, now that iForce has "re-discovered" de "azine-technology", i've found another interesting azinated compound in Vida, similar to DMZ:

17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane-3,3-azine

Its dymethazine but without the 2a-methyl, and according to Vida (page 90) it possess 300% anabolic activity and 20% androgenic activity than Methyltestosterone when administered orally (in Vida DMZ is only 210%, 95% QUOTE]
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JBerto said:
M-1-T azine would definitly be the $h!*....
also in addition to my previous post maybe:
-primo-azine
-6-methyl-test-azine (aka bolasterone-azine)
-DHT-azine
-4 hydroxy test azine
-4 hydroxy nandrolone azine
-azine-trenbolone (may be too similar to 4-hydroxy nandro-17-azine though, however I would think the triple bond in tren would make it mor effective thank 4OHN)
-azine-boldenone (aka dbol-azine)


As I stated in a previous post, any of these compounds that can be made orally available by adding 1 or 6 methyl groups etc..and something like a 17-thp-ether (or anything other than 17a-methyl that protects from liver 1st pass) to avoid liver damage, would be HUGE.
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paint2100 said:
i don't know if this would work but something like 4-ad azine
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I think azination is almost useless except to diminish the toxicity of a compound, so why azinate a non-17a-methylated PH/DS?
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DTreccia15 said:
M1T-azine would be the ****!!!
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Can someone please tell me the technical name for this?

As far as people requesting certain ingredients, it is very helpful if the actual technical name is listed; that way I can see if they are possible to source.

TNASTYII said:
i was just wondering why you guys cloned the promagnon but you didnt use 90 caps per bottle idea? that was the first suggestion in here. i love that you guys cloned it, but even 75 caps or something would have been even better!
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Because of the price of the raw materials. We were trying to hit a certain price point with the product, and 90 caps wouldnt allow that to happen. Plus, 60 caps is enough for a mild cycle, 120 caps (2 bottles) would be enough for a stronger one. 90 caps kind of comes out in the middlle.
 
paint2100 said:
JBerto said:
McBain2 said:
Just to make it legal since 4ad was banned maybe the azine would be legal through some loophole
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Yes, that's the other use of the azinated compounds.

ASC 2004 prohibits esters and ethers and salts of steroids on the list. Hydrolzable nitrogenous ketone derivatives are not included nor are other ketone derivatives such as ketals.

Any PH/DS/roid with a 3-keto group can be azinated. It's even posible to make "hybrids" like: SD+azine+M1T (imagine something like that!!! :yikes:)

Or you could make something milder, like Oxandrolone+azine+Oxandrolone

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BUT maybe would be posible to find traces of the illegal ("un-azinated") compound, which could lead to jail for the distributer. So things like Oxa+azine+Oxa, or SD+azine+M1T, or any other azinated forms of illegal compounds will not be produced.
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