How to "pulse" orals
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maynehood171
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Oh shyt man, just do it! I did because I have bloodwork done anyways because of my thyroid and told my doctor I used steroids (and fyi...all 3 of my doctors at 3 different times said that steroids had no affect on my thyroid...it runs in my fam). But I talk to my doctor about it...no biggy. Felt a little weird but in the end was nothing big at all...
trackstud100m
Member
Doc, what do you think about the 2week on/2 week off method below:
EOD dosing, so 3-4 times per week. ( EOD = Every Other Day )
2 days on / 2 days off
2 weeks on / 2 weeks off
EOD dosing, so 3-4 times per week. ( EOD = Every Other Day )
2 days on / 2 days off
2 weeks on / 2 weeks off
UKStrength
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tommytom said:
Honestly mate just inform your doctor, if they're a good doctor they should be completely impartial to your steroid use, in their eyes you're a patient that needs help. Believe me when I say this because I'm training to be a UK dietitian at the moment and that is the sort of 'patient-centered' care we have to adopt.
DR.D
Well-known member
That's more a mini-version of a conventional cycle than a pulse cycle IMO. I see lots of successful feedback with it, and it can certainly have it's place in some people's training schedules. It's probably one of the most conservative ways to do a conventional cycle, 2.5-3wk on/3-4wk off is probably the most efficient though.
trackstud100m
Member
Would you recommend this with a compound like EPI, I done similar things with tbol and winstrol but never PH's.
FlawedGrunt
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D i dont know how you keep up with this thread! No wonder I was suprised to see you post in the supplement forum! ha this one takes all your time!
spiderduncan
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I entirely agree.
Invalid Link Removed Now, of course he has a spin when utilizing AAS in conjunction with HST. Without going into great detail, HST utilizes frequent workouts (3 full body workouts/week) with an increase in load (over 6 workouts = two weeks) with varied repetition cycles (2 week periods of 15s,10s,5s and negatives or another cycle of 5). In short, Bryan Haycock suggests beginning a 2 week cycle of AAS the second week of 10s (when weights are maxing) continuing through the 1st week of 5s (weights climbing, not maxing). Then during you 2nd week of 5s, when weights are maxing, the increase in load ensure that gains are kept. While it is not a perfect 2on/4off, it is close.
DR.D
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Speaking of which, you're right Grunt. It's tough to keep up on-line sometimes. Please PM if it's critical. Otherwise, there are dozens of men here with a solid understanding that regularly give excellent advice. I pray those men with help out as they are inspired to, not out of obligation but a desire to help their brothers.
God bless our troops!
:usa:
champhig
New member
Dr. D
If I work out 5 days a week:
mon-chest
tues-legs
wed-biceps/triceps
thur-back
fri-shoulder
sat and sunday off
I cant decide whether to pulse epistane or take a normal cycle. Ive read almost every post on all the forums.
If I was to pulse what would be recommended?
What would I take on the off days?
Dose a pulse really work or is just people who never lifted before and go on epistane that think it is the epistane helping them and not diet and exercise?
Im 5'7" 180 pounds 12%bf 25 years old....been working out for years....this will be my first cycle.....i have a really good pct already (Nolva, AI pct, and a serm just incase).....I will also be on milk thistle, AI cycle support throughout....I have been researching for weeks....
Thanks
If I work out 5 days a week:
mon-chest
tues-legs
wed-biceps/triceps
thur-back
fri-shoulder
sat and sunday off
I cant decide whether to pulse epistane or take a normal cycle. Ive read almost every post on all the forums.
If I was to pulse what would be recommended?
What would I take on the off days?
Dose a pulse really work or is just people who never lifted before and go on epistane that think it is the epistane helping them and not diet and exercise?
Im 5'7" 180 pounds 12%bf 25 years old....been working out for years....this will be my first cycle.....i have a really good pct already (Nolva, AI pct, and a serm just incase).....I will also be on milk thistle, AI cycle support throughout....I have been researching for weeks....
Thanks
hman85
Well-known member
So 2 serms? Whats the other one? If you pulsing epi you probably won't need a serm at all. Its just good to have on hand just in case. 5 days a week working out isn't the best way to do a pulse. so i would either change your routine up a little or just run a straight cycle. You would still benefit from running a pulse but not as much with your schedule. imo
hman85
Well-known member
If you ould switch your workout up a little so you workout on mon,tues,thurs,fri that could workout as well
Mon-chest shoulders
tues-legs
wed-off
thurs-back
fri-arms
sat-off
sun-off
hman85
Well-known member
Thats a bad idea!
You would be best off changing your routine. imo but you would still benefit but one part would probably end up lacking.
hman85
Well-known member
I have had no experience with 4-ad but 1ad would not be good in a pulse.imo It isn't strong enough or fast acting.
FlawedGrunt
Well-known member
Yeah i dont think 4ad would be good either... that stack would be much better run straight through... great bulker
Savantee
New member
Weekly Pulsing for Recomposition
Train your weaknesses until they are your strengths....
Gentlemen,
For the last 4 weeks I have been taking 20mg Superdrol Preworkout once a week and am improving in strength terms.
I work out MWF
Diet pretty good
Every Day
Milk Thistle,
EFAs (fish oil, around 2 tablespoons a day),
Multi Mineral Multi Vit
Tyrosine
AI (Formestane in Penatrate) no more than twice a week. Used once on day after SD
Anti Cort when needed generally off days
Rhodiola
Cordyceps
Preworkout
Protein
Ja3ked
+ Extra Citrulline and Beta Alanine.
I have to say that Ja3ked has been a revelation!
Postworkout
Protein
Weds: Leg day is the day that I take SD and feel that this has helped me begin to sculpt the legs I have always wanted. Something like Tom Platz.:squat::laugh:
I have always felt that my legs were a weakness or at least not a strength. I now find that not only my legs are improving but all my workouts seem to be more successful.
I think using these compounds strategically seems to work at this low dose and low frequency. Pairing these compounds with Squats, Dead Lifts which employ large muscle groups has made all the difference to both strength and size or so it seems? Legs are feeling :thumbsup:
I will run this for another month and let you know how I'm getting on..
Has anyone else here tried this low dose low frequency and seen results?
Savantee (A savant in training)
Train your weaknesses until they are your strengths....
Gentlemen,
For the last 4 weeks I have been taking 20mg Superdrol Preworkout once a week and am improving in strength terms.
I work out MWF
Diet pretty good
Every Day
Milk Thistle,
EFAs (fish oil, around 2 tablespoons a day),
Multi Mineral Multi Vit
Tyrosine
AI (Formestane in Penatrate) no more than twice a week. Used once on day after SD
Anti Cort when needed generally off days
Rhodiola
Cordyceps
Preworkout
Protein
Ja3ked
+ Extra Citrulline and Beta Alanine.
I have to say that Ja3ked has been a revelation!
Postworkout
Protein
Weds: Leg day is the day that I take SD and feel that this has helped me begin to sculpt the legs I have always wanted. Something like Tom Platz.:squat::laugh:
I have always felt that my legs were a weakness or at least not a strength. I now find that not only my legs are improving but all my workouts seem to be more successful.
I think using these compounds strategically seems to work at this low dose and low frequency. Pairing these compounds with Squats, Dead Lifts which employ large muscle groups has made all the difference to both strength and size or so it seems? Legs are feeling :thumbsup:
I will run this for another month and let you know how I'm getting on..
Has anyone else here tried this low dose low frequency and seen results?
Savantee (A savant in training)
London28
New member
Hey people
Does any one know why people get elevated Test levels but sex drive drops when using Nolvadex XT by Gaspari?
also, any one used it? and suffered hairloss? What were results?
I recently done a few weeks pulsing with Dbol, 10mg pre work out 2 x in the week and 1x20mg pre work out on the weekend and have been getting noticeable resulsts......
I want to keep (gain if poss) muscle and loose some fat for when i go away i 6 weeks so i am going to use us my Turanabol for a more normal cycle on the run up.
Im going to start off very light 10mg 3 x day (every 8 hours) and was wondering would Nolvadex XT be good to run with it? I wanted to use Species Testostolyze with the Tbol but they are out of stock!
Also, after the cycle, I cant use clomid (previous eye conditios) and have been told that i PROBABLY wont eed much in way of a PCT but i would like to have some so - would ay of the ALRi products be good for post Tbol?
Cheers lads.
Does any one know why people get elevated Test levels but sex drive drops when using Nolvadex XT by Gaspari?
also, any one used it? and suffered hairloss? What were results?
I recently done a few weeks pulsing with Dbol, 10mg pre work out 2 x in the week and 1x20mg pre work out on the weekend and have been getting noticeable resulsts......
I want to keep (gain if poss) muscle and loose some fat for when i go away i 6 weeks so i am going to use us my Turanabol for a more normal cycle on the run up.
Im going to start off very light 10mg 3 x day (every 8 hours) and was wondering would Nolvadex XT be good to run with it? I wanted to use Species Testostolyze with the Tbol but they are out of stock!
Also, after the cycle, I cant use clomid (previous eye conditios) and have been told that i PROBABLY wont eed much in way of a PCT but i would like to have some so - would ay of the ALRi products be good for post Tbol?
Cheers lads.
DR.D
Well-known member
Anti-androgens raise test levels, but they still call them 'anti-androgens' for a reason.
That's why many people prefer to take anti-estrogens for the qualitative advantage, though they do not raise test as well quantitatively.I have never used the product you refer too, but I believe it has an ingredient in it that has proved to be suspect before (atd).
London28
New member
Anti-androgens raise test levels, but they still call them 'anti-androgens' for a reason.
I have never used the product you refer too, but I believe it has an ingredient in it that has proved to be suspect before (atd).
Thanks for the reply Dr D. DO you think its best not to run XT with Turanabol?
GotTest
Active member
XT is not needed for Turanabol.
GotTest
Active member
Excellent review of WO/Supps/Pulse!
London28
New member
Not needed? But are they OK? see I am alreaddy running XT, first time using, just seeing how it goes, I wanted to run Species Testostolyze wth turanabol but can't get any so decided to by some XT as it was very cheap and delivered the next day.
GotTest
Active member
I say it's not NEEDED, because nolvadex xt is an AI.
Turanabol will NOT aromatize, so it's not NEEDED.
Save it for PCT if you want to use it.
Doc Holliday
New member
This thread rocks. Pulsing orals is a great concept that not many follow due to "lesser" gains. Im enjoying this keep the info coming.
Ninjo
Well-known member
Today was Day 1 of a planned six week pulse with Havoc. This is my first experiment with pulsing as I've only ever run full cycles in the past.
For the last several weeks, I have been following a modified version of the Ultimate Diet 2.0. It's modified in that I begin the carb load mid-day on Friday and instead of doing a single full body Power workout on Sunday, I break it up so that I am working out both Saturday and Sunday using a two day split.
Sooooo...not surprisingly, and in order to take advantage of the weekend carb-load, I will be pulsing Havoc on Saturday and Sunday with five days off in between (should make for a good bounce, huh D!).
The dosing scheme I'll be following is as follows:
Week 1 20/30
Week 2 40/40
Week 3 40/40
Week 4 40/40
Week 5 40/40
Week 6 40/40
Half the dosage will be taken pre- and half will be taken post-workout. On the first Sunday (i.e. tomorrow), where I'm taking 30mg, I'll take 20 pre- and 10 post.
I hope to continue leaning out for the summer on the UD 2.0 (i.e. basically a CKD type diet) while potentially adding a few pounds of LBM.
On OFF days, I have AX Retain for cortisol control and will be using 4 caps of ActivaTe Xtreme to limit SHBG activity. I was also contemplating using 2 sprays of e-Form (i.e. topical formestane) in the morning and another 2 in the evening (for a daily total of 80mg) but am uncertain if this is a good idea as Havoc is purported to have anti-estrogenic properties of its own. If Dr. D or anyone else has an opinion on this, I'd love to hear it!
As far as PCT goes, I have both Clomid and Nolva on hand but hope not to need to use them. I'll be running ActivaTe Xtreme, Retain and probably a 6-bromo based AI along with creatine and continue using my ancillaries.
:woohoo:
For the last several weeks, I have been following a modified version of the Ultimate Diet 2.0. It's modified in that I begin the carb load mid-day on Friday and instead of doing a single full body Power workout on Sunday, I break it up so that I am working out both Saturday and Sunday using a two day split.
Sooooo...not surprisingly, and in order to take advantage of the weekend carb-load, I will be pulsing Havoc on Saturday and Sunday with five days off in between (should make for a good bounce, huh D!).
The dosing scheme I'll be following is as follows:
Week 1 20/30
Week 2 40/40
Week 3 40/40
Week 4 40/40
Week 5 40/40
Week 6 40/40
Half the dosage will be taken pre- and half will be taken post-workout. On the first Sunday (i.e. tomorrow), where I'm taking 30mg, I'll take 20 pre- and 10 post.
I hope to continue leaning out for the summer on the UD 2.0 (i.e. basically a CKD type diet) while potentially adding a few pounds of LBM.
On OFF days, I have AX Retain for cortisol control and will be using 4 caps of ActivaTe Xtreme to limit SHBG activity. I was also contemplating using 2 sprays of e-Form (i.e. topical formestane) in the morning and another 2 in the evening (for a daily total of 80mg) but am uncertain if this is a good idea as Havoc is purported to have anti-estrogenic properties of its own. If Dr. D or anyone else has an opinion on this, I'd love to hear it!
As far as PCT goes, I have both Clomid and Nolva on hand but hope not to need to use them. I'll be running ActivaTe Xtreme, Retain and probably a 6-bromo based AI along with creatine and continue using my ancillaries.
:woohoo:
DR.D
Well-known member
Yep. Big Bounce!
If you're just on for 2 days a wk, I don't think the form would over dry, but maybe just 40/day of the TD until you can tell.
DR.D
Well-known member
spiderduncan
Active member
Savantee
New member
Hi Ninjo,
Doing something quite similar myself (see post #3207).
I've been on 20mg SD one day a week (leg day) and I'm really enjoying it.
Dr D's advice on AI as ever is sensible and solid.
Don't forget your oils and multi vitamins and minerals and your good to go.
Do let us know how you get on....
Lastly have a thumping good weekend.
Doing something quite similar myself (see post #3207).
I've been on 20mg SD one day a week (leg day) and I'm really enjoying it.
Dr D's advice on AI as ever is sensible and solid.
Don't forget your oils and multi vitamins and minerals and your good to go.
Do let us know how you get on....
Lastly have a thumping good weekend.
London28
New member
Hey Gottest
I am running XT on its own right now to see how it fares, allot of people say its pretty good (for a sup). I am about to start Tbol and wondered if it was OK to run the two together.
Im not thinking of using XT like you would use the 'real' Nolva. when i need PCT i use Real Nolva.
I think ill sart the Tbol and leave the XT for another time
on another note, what are your opinions about ALRi products?
nightfly71
Active member
I've been using atd as well on off days in the second half of an approximately two month pulse of mdht, which after about three weeks included epi clone post workout. I think it has helped testoration from the on days.
the pulse is going well. I've gained a good bit of strength while losing about 15 lbs and hardening/leaning out a lot that was the goal, so I'm pretty satisfied as I eter what should be my last week.
the pulse is going well. I've gained a good bit of strength while losing about 15 lbs and hardening/leaning out a lot that was the goal, so I'm pretty satisfied as I eter what should be my last week.
Ninjo
Well-known member
Thanks Doc...I'll start with 40mg/day and go from there.
Ninjo
Well-known member
I wish I had the time to do a proper log but family/work obligations would keep me from doing it properly. In lieu of that, I'll post updates on progress and any issues/concerns in this thread.
Ninjo
Well-known member
Good to know you're having a good run with SD because that'll likely be my next pulse. I will probably run it similar to how I'm pulsing Havoc right now (i.e. 2 on, 5 off) and use no more than 20mg/day.
Good luck with the rest of your pulse and you have a great weekend too!
GotTest
Active member
Never used them myself...but I've heard good things about them.
Cr2, Restore,Venom, BAM, and Jungle Warfare(mixed reviews depending who you talk too).
spiderduncan
Active member
You PCT looks solid. Way to go!
Before you embark on another hormonal substance, it would be wise to reestablish hormone levels. As a rule of thumb, time on=time off. 6 week cycle + 4-6 week PCT = 10-12 weeks off.
Now however, when you begin your pulse your "off time" will be greatly reduced.
captaincrunch
New member
Just a quick update on my pulse. No shutdown yet and arms are getting really much bigger than i expected. This pulsing really works!
Any questions i will b happy to answer.
By the way, can "The One" be pulsed or is it such that it doesn't need to be pulsed as no real pct is needed on a 4 week cycle. I was going to do a SD pulse after this but now leaning towards "The One" as it seems to give great gains with what appears to be low sides and is getting great reviews. I suppose what I mean to ask is is there any benefit to pulsing such a product? Thanks guys.
Any questions i will b happy to answer.
By the way, can "The One" be pulsed or is it such that it doesn't need to be pulsed as no real pct is needed on a 4 week cycle. I was going to do a SD pulse after this but now leaning towards "The One" as it seems to give great gains with what appears to be low sides and is getting great reviews. I suppose what I mean to ask is is there any benefit to pulsing such a product? Thanks guys.
GotTest
Active member
Personally...I would wait.
Results are better the longer I wait between cycles.
I think the wait would be much shorter between PULSE cycles.
hman85
Well-known member
It needs a pct for sure thats just being arrogant. I would wait and see some people are doing great on it and some are having problems. I would wait to get more info on it before using it in pulse. I personally like to see alot of infon on products(epecially brand new ones) before divng into some new method of using.
captaincrunch
New member
Just to clarify by real pct I meant something like Nolva. I am aware people recommend taking something like 6-bromo to help but I have seen no mention of anything stronger from the logs I have read so far. I wouldn't be arrogant about this kind of thing as I do try to be careful with what I'm doing. If you already knew I meant this then apologies, you would highly recommend Nolva or something similar for "The One" then? I will admit I havent looked into it in great depth yet as I do not plan to take it for another 3 months so once again apologies if I was wrong about what I wrote or was misleading in any way.
Further update with my pulse. Still no shutdown or any hint of it and my latest workout was really enjoyable. The strength and pumps are really noticeable. I am planning another 11 days or so. A quick question though... As Havoc is considered a form of an AI, would it be a bad idea (this is just an example) to do 4 weeks of Havoc followed by 8-12 weeks of an AI like Hyperdrol? What I'm trying to get at is would the extra 4 weeks at the start of Havoc push the length of time on AIs over the limit advisable? Or would it not make a difference because they are different in the way that they work? Thanks.
Further update with my pulse. Still no shutdown or any hint of it and my latest workout was really enjoyable. The strength and pumps are really noticeable. I am planning another 11 days or so. A quick question though... As Havoc is considered a form of an AI, would it be a bad idea (this is just an example) to do 4 weeks of Havoc followed by 8-12 weeks of an AI like Hyperdrol? What I'm trying to get at is would the extra 4 weeks at the start of Havoc push the length of time on AIs over the limit advisable? Or would it not make a difference because they are different in the way that they work? Thanks.
hman85
Well-known member
Well technically Havoc isn't a ai it has gyno reduction qualities but isn't a AI. I don't think it would effect the hyperdrol afterwards.imo I wasn't trying to be a d1ck about the post cycle therapy thing. I just see so many dumbass's come in here and try to do something that just isn't smart and that is playing with your natural test production and then not bring it back properly. I recommend more than less with pct except for with serms(but i still recommend them). Imo the most nolva you will ever need is 40,30,20,20. Unless you are doing a long extensive inject cycle, and then you might just need it a week longer with other things. you need to have your body come back properly and you need rest in between cycles. People could seriously mess their bodies up with hormones. I just don't want to see people do that. Also there is not point in doing a cycle if your diet and training are not already spot on. Cycles are to improve on an already near perfect training and diet routine. Anyway i am just rambling on now lol! The best way to find out how good "the one" would be for a pulse is to find out the half life. You want a short acting half life for this method. Research baby that is were its at!:type:
Doc Holliday
New member
It seems to me that if you pulsed 3 days a week, say monday-wed-fri, then the best time to NOT pulse is on your leg day. Now that is unless your legs are a really weak body part that you are trying to bring up, I think that might merit a pulse on that day. The reasoning behind no pulse on leg day is that a hard leg workout induces hormone release and the pulse might interfere with ones own natural test release for that workout. This has been my reasoning. Anyone else agree or disagree?
Doc Holliday
New member
You do have a point there bro. I think it's like a 30% increase in test when doing squats? I don't remember the exact number, but i'll still pulse even on leg days
Yeah I'm really nitpicking with that scenario, but it makes sense to me. Probably wouldnt make a significant difference, but its something to consider.
550lbdinosaur
New member
I'm going to do a cut/recomp with a straight cycle of Hdrol and this summer after PCT and some off time I'm going to start the Anabolic Diet and pulse on my once a week carb-up. What do people think about this plan:
Sun-Friday: low carb, no PH
Saturday: 6am training, 7am 10mg Epi/90mg M1,4ADD 9am 10mg Epi/90mg M14AD (I would dose before training but this is going to be an endurance/conditioning session and I don't want back/calf pumps while I'm trying to hoof it.)
The plan is to hit 100g of carb powder 45 minutes or so after the first dose and keep slamming carbs to the tune of 500-800g for the next 8 hours, then turn it off. I would probably run high dose tribulus and Cycle Assist for the next 5 days, startign with that night.
I picked this stack because I want to garner the increased LH and GH from these too orals at the same time as I'm peaking my insulin. I want to make sure my doses are aggressive, but not ridiculous, do they look alright? I'm not that worried about sides on a once a week pulse, but does this seem safe as far as gyno/estrogen rebound go?
Sun-Friday: low carb, no PH
Saturday: 6am training, 7am 10mg Epi/90mg M1,4ADD 9am 10mg Epi/90mg M14AD (I would dose before training but this is going to be an endurance/conditioning session and I don't want back/calf pumps while I'm trying to hoof it.)
The plan is to hit 100g of carb powder 45 minutes or so after the first dose and keep slamming carbs to the tune of 500-800g for the next 8 hours, then turn it off. I would probably run high dose tribulus and Cycle Assist for the next 5 days, startign with that night.
I picked this stack because I want to garner the increased LH and GH from these too orals at the same time as I'm peaking my insulin. I want to make sure my doses are aggressive, but not ridiculous, do they look alright? I'm not that worried about sides on a once a week pulse, but does this seem safe as far as gyno/estrogen rebound go?