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1-T log with Pre-cycle & Post PCT Blood work

If you are going to go with a added methyl a serm is needed . imo Superdrol is great for some added gains and everyone always says how much it will shut you down but for epi to work properly(at least with me) it has to be dosed high especially on a pulse. so you do the math ramping up to 60mg versus 20mg of super. so it has its warrant. personally i wasn't very shutdown from my super pulse and i did it 4x a week for 6 1/2 weeks. so you be the judge.
 
TexasLifter89 said:
you would add epi in or super in? Yall think TRS would be enough (SERM if needed, but trying to avoid)? If not I want to grab soem DTH and it will give me a chance to give it a try
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IMO you should use the Sustain Alpha while "on" since it acts like HCG. This would make recovery quicker and easier. You could get away without using a serm if you did that. However, if you want to add another compound like Epi or SD, you'll still need a serm for sure.
 
I honestly think Tran Res as a SERM-replacement is quite retarded. It's a great product to have in conjunction with other things, and definitely serves its purpose both as an anti-e and antioxidant-wise, but in NO WAY should it be used to replace a SERM. If you add in SD or Epi, you should definitely pick up some Tamoxifen or Toremifene.

What about T-911 on cycle? 3 tabs per day added to this cycle would probably be a great addition...MMV2 is also awesome for pulsing or running straight through. Very mild.

If you pulsed SD, I would only do a small amount. 10-20mg pre-workout, 3x week at the most, taken preferably 2hrs pre-workout. I think if you run it anymore than three times a week, you may as well just do it straight through.
 
Irish Cannon said:
I honestly think Tran Res as a SERM-replacement is quite retarded. It's a great product to have in conjunction with other things, and definitely serves its purpose both as an anti-e and antioxidant-wise, but in NO WAY should it be used to replace a SERM. If you add in SD or Epi, you should definitely pick up some Tamoxifen or Toremifene.

What about T-911 on cycle? 3 tabs per day added to this cycle would probably be a great addition...MMV2 is also awesome for pulsing or running straight through. Very mild.

If you pulsed SD, I would only do a small amount. 10-20mg pre-workout, 3x week at the most, taken preferably 2hrs pre-workout. I think if you run it anymore than three times a week, you may as well just do it straight through.
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I couldnt agree more, people recommending resveratrol as pct is a very irresponsible act. I like it as a general health supp, and as a very small part of pct but you just gotta have a stash of SERM's and AI's if you are doing a cycle.
 
Irish Cannon said:
I honestly think Tran Res as a SERM-replacement is quite retarded. It's a great product to have in conjunction with other things, and definitely serves its purpose both as an anti-e and antioxidant-wise, but in NO WAY should it be used to replace a SERM. If you add in SD or Epi, you should definitely pick up some Tamoxifen or Toremifene.

What about T-911 on cycle? 3 tabs per day added to this cycle would probably be a great addition...MMV2 is also awesome for pulsing or running straight through. Very mild.

If you pulsed SD, I would only do a small amount. 10-20mg pre-workout, 3x week at the most, taken preferably 2hrs pre-workout. I think if you run it anymore than three times a week, you may as well just do it straight through.
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SwolenONE said:
I couldnt agree more, people recommending resveratrol as pct is a very irresponsible act. I like it as a general health supp, and as a very small part of pct but you just gotta have a stash of SERM's and AI's if you are doing a cycle.
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I've got a bottle of t911 at home to use and I now am going to be using toco-8 on cycle. I think I may go with 10mg of super. I also have some cycle support that I can use and can get a SERM from a few places I know of.

So here is my proposed protocol:

Morning:
Toco-8
T911

Pre-workout
10mg SD

Evening:
1-T
cycle support


what are the thoughts of this? This could potentially be pretty interesting once my pre bloods come back and then seeing how well my post cycle bloods come back.
 
Here's my opinion...

Use T911 directly pre-workout, but dose the SD about ~2hrs pre-workout. I have no anecdotal evidence to support it, but I always feel on about 2hrs after dosing. I think it takes a little while for the hormone to peak in your blood levels.

But, it's probably splitting hairs. It's all up to you.
 
I have an open bottle of Mdrol and a sealed bottle of mdrol. so Mdrol it will be :D. I've never used mdrol so it would be nice to compare to my original unknowing run sd as torque
 
Irish Cannon said:
Here's my opinion...

Use T911 directly pre-workout, but dose the SD about ~2hrs pre-workout. I have no anecdotal evidence to support it, but I always feel on about 2hrs after dosing. I think it takes a little while for the hormone to peak in your blood levels.

But, it's probably splitting hairs. It's all up to you.
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other than that does the protocol look safe and good to you? will t911 help limit shutdown?
 
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Irish Cannon said:
Here's my opinion...

Use T911 directly pre-workout, but dose the SD about ~2hrs pre-workout. I have no anecdotal evidence to support it, but I always feel on about 2hrs after dosing. I think it takes a little while for the hormone to peak in your blood levels.

But, it's probably splitting hairs. It's all up to you.
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This would be the best bet. I personally never felt any preworkout boost from super. It would sometimes inhibit my workout from back pumps. I would take mine right before(30 mins). thats just me though. Or even after? Since you are taking just one. Now we are thinking outside the box!:laugh:
 
Irish Cannon said:
I honestly think Tran Res as a SERM-replacement is quite retarded. It's a great product to have in conjunction with other things, and definitely serves its purpose both as an anti-e and antioxidant-wise, but in NO WAY should it be used to replace a SERM. If you add in SD or Epi, you should definitely pick up some Tamoxifen or Toremifene.

What about T-911 on cycle? 3 tabs per day added to this cycle would probably be a great addition...MMV2 is also awesome for pulsing or running straight through. Very mild.

If you pulsed SD, I would only do a small amount. 10-20mg pre-workout, 3x week at the most, taken preferably 2hrs pre-workout. I think if you run it anymore than three times a week, you may as well just do it straight through.
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It is not the trans-res that got me to recommend the product, nor is it just a trans-res product. It is the 7,8-benzoflavone. I've read numerous reviews for sustain alpha and all were great for PCT purposes. Libido surge, overall better mood, testicular size increased to larger than BEFORE the cycle, etc. Also, I did not say it should by any means replace a SERM, I said it could be used as his PCT only if it was used DURING the cycle as well, since it mimics hcg in MOA. Obviously if he adds another compound, he needs a SERM in PCT. Regardless, the safest bet is to go with a SERM no matter what you use. You just said you'd rather not use one, so I was just putting that out there...
 
bassgod272 said:
It is not the trans-res that got me to recommend the product, nor is it just a trans-res product. It is the 7,8-benzoflavone. I've read numerous reviews for sustain alpha and all were great for PCT purposes. Libido surge, overall better mood, testicular size increased to larger than BEFORE the cycle, etc. Also, I did not say it should by any means replace a SERM, I said it could be used as his PCT only if it was used DURING the cycle as well, since it mimics hcg in MOA. Obviously if he adds another compound, he needs a SERM in PCT. Regardless, the safest bet is to go with a SERM no matter what you use. You just said you'd rather not use one, so I was just putting that out there...
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I was referring to...

TexasLifter89 said:
you would add epi in or super in? Yall think TRS would be enough (SERM if needed, but trying to avoid)? If not I want to grab soem DTH and it will give me a chance to give it a try
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But I guess now, after thinking about it, "TRS" stands for Testosterone Recovery Stack (Toco, Endoamp, Sustain Alpha), huh? I thought TRS was "transres"...I didn't mean to come off as a butt hole if I did.

TRS seems like a great PCT, but with the addition of SD, I definitely think you still need a SERM in there...even if it's just to be safe. Since you're pulsing it, you could probably get away with running a SERM for only two weeks.
 
Irish Cannon said:
I was referring to...



But I guess now, after thinking about it, "TRS" stands for Testosterone Recovery Stack (Toco, Endoamp, Sustain Alpha), huh? I thought TRS was "transres"...I didn't mean to come off as a butt hole if I did.

TRS seems like a great PCT, but with the addition of SD, I definitely think you still need a SERM in there...even if it's just to be safe. Since you're pulsing it, you could probably get away with running a SERM for only two weeks.
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haha, ahhhhh gotta love the internet. it's like trying to talk to your fiancee about something important via txt message. misunderstandings occur frequently. looks like we're all on the same page then lol. I agree, 2 weeks of a low dose SERM would be good alongside the TRS. Maybe 20/10 tamox or 60/30 torem would be sufficient. I hate the emotional sides from SERMs, so the lower the dose and shorter the duration, the better IMO.
 
I would need another bottle of t911 then. is it safe to run 2 bottles straight through? and yes TRS stands for sustain alpha, toco 8, and endo amp. I am being safe :D not playing with fire too much... haha. I also have m1D I could pulse, but I may just save that for a solo run 2 years down the road or something.
 
hmm... I have no clue.... well I will head back to my parents house this weekend and pick up what I need to to get this thing running smoothly. I think I am going to play it the safer route and go with epistane instead of Superdrol. I don't want to over do things and get greedy, and then possibly get myself in trouble. Now my next choice, I have Methyl E at home currently and I also have Havoc on the way... which should I use? I am thinking methyl E since it is potentially the less accurately dosed of the two.
 
TexasLifter89 said:
hmm... I have no clue.... well I will head back to my parents house this weekend and pick up what I need to to get this thing running smoothly. I think I am going to play it the safer route and go with epistane instead of Superdrol. I don't want to over do things and get greedy, and then possibly get myself in trouble. Now my next choice, I have Methyl E at home currently and I also have Havoc on the way... which should I use? I am thinking methyl E since it is potentially the less accurately dosed of the two.
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LOL. Ya, that's safe. :laugh: -I'm on Havoc right now, myself.

You're brave leaving supps at your parents house. I don't leave any of that stuff at my parent's place. They'll flush it.
 
Irish Cannon said:
LOL. Ya, that's safe. :laugh: -I'm on Havoc right now, myself.

You're brave leaving supps at your parents house. I don't leave any of that stuff at my parent's place. They'll flush it.
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I'm the opposite. my dad will use it! He took the bottle of The One I had haha and before that 2 bottles of Hdrol. I had a nice stash going for my later years, but he keeps using it all.

Well I think Methyl E is the better choice because it is potentially underdosed versus Havoc that is most likely more accurately dosed. An underdosed product will still have an effect on this cycle rather than me getting nothing on it run solo.
 
Irish Cannon said:
LOL. Ya, that's safe. :laugh: -I'm on Havoc right now, myself.

You're brave leaving supps at your parents house. I don't leave any of that stuff at my parent's place. They'll flush it.
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I thought you were done with PH/DS...
 
GMG760 said:
I thought you were done with PH/DS...
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Did I say that? :laugh:

I probably will be after the Havoc, although, I haven't used MMV3 yet...I'll probably go AWOL for a while after PCT...at least from logging and being super strict on myself. I'll see what I decide once I get the ball rolling this summer. If I have a nice schedule, things may change, but if it's hectic, I definitely won't be doing anything DS-wise.
 
TexasLifter89 said:
I'm the opposite. my dad will use it! He took the bottle of The One I had haha and before that 2 bottles of Hdrol. I had a nice stash going for my later years, but he keeps using it all.

Well I think Methyl E is the better choice because it is potentially underdosed versus Havoc that is most likely more accurately dosed. An underdosed product will still have an effect on this cycle rather than me getting nothing on it run solo.
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I've seen some say they got nothing from Methyl-E, then others say it worked as normal, so it's a toss up. Never heard a single bad review for Havoc though :)
 
bassgod272 said:
I've seen some say they got nothing from Methyl-E, then others say it worked as normal, so it's a toss up. Never heard a single bad review for Havoc though :)
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yeah I agree. I have seen that too. But Im thinking I should save the havoc for a solo run. I don't know...
 
Day 14

Today is an off day. I am spending the day in the library today doing a lab write up for biology 2.


Notes
  • Lethargy is starting to kick in, have other experienced this? I am finding myself becoming tired around 3-5pm and by 9pm I am about to pass out.
  • Hair loss has increased more than normal, but nothing out of the ordinary. I am starting Toco-8 friday though to help combat this
  • Appetite: This has been huge. I have been eating loads and loads. easily over my normal diet of 5000 cals. I think I am also breaking my 300 g protein intake as well.
  • DOMS & Soreness: I am hurting today in my pecs, triceps, and calves... this is good to me because I usually am never sore as many of you know. I am feeling bigger though and tighter. I feel like I am staying pretty lean even with this calorie uptake.
  • weight thus far is 3 lbs increase. I will do measurements at 3 week mark of cycle


So proposed plan starting Monday:

Morning Dosing
Toco-8
t911

Evening Dosing
1-T
Havoc


Should I include cycle support into this?
 
TexasLifter89 said:
Today is an off day. I am spending the day in the library today doing a lab write up for biology 2.


Notes
  • Lethargy is starting to kick in, have other experienced this? I am finding myself becoming tired around 3-5pm and by 9pm I am about to pass out.
  • Hair loss has increased more than normal, but nothing out of the ordinary. I am starting Toco-8 friday though to help combat this
  • Appetite: This has been huge. I have been eating loads and loads. easily over my normal diet of 5000 cals. I think I am also breaking my 300 g protein intake as well.
  • DOMS & Soreness: I am hurting today in my pecs, triceps, and calves... this is good to me because I usually am never sore as many of you know. I am feeling bigger though and tighter. I feel like I am staying pretty lean even with this calorie uptake.
  • weight thus far is 3 lbs increase. I will do measurements at 3 week mark of cycle


So proposed plan starting Monday:

Morning Dosing
Toco-8
t911

Evening Dosing
1-T
Havoc


Should I include cycle support into this?
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I think you should def include CS, however I would not dose the Epithio any sooner than 6hrs pre-bed. For me and many others, it causes sleep issues.
 
bassgod272 said:
I think you should def include CS, however I would not dose the Epithio any sooner than 6hrs pre-bed. For me and many others, it causes sleep issues.
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so should I dose it with T911 then? I need to either dose stuff am or PM or like 5 minutes before my workout with how my schedule works
 
TexasLifter89 said:
so should I dose it with T911 then? I need to either dose stuff am or PM or like 5 minutes before my workout with how my schedule works
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Yea, that's 1 option. The best way would be 1-2hrs pre-wo though. Buy some of the little zip-lock medication baggies at your local Walgreens or other pharmacy that people use for prescription tablets/capsules. I put all my supps for the day in these, since I don't have time on my lunch break to go home and dose them. They're only like $2 for 100 baggies and 1 lasts forever.
 
TexasLifter89 said:
so should I dose it with T911 then? I need to either dose stuff am or PM or like 5 minutes before my workout with how my schedule works
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That sounds good.

Dude, epithio gives me crazy insomnia even when my last dose is at 11am. That's the one drawback to this compound for me.

Edit: Why are you dosing 1-T in the evening? Are you trying to get it in pre-workout? I usually try to avoid dosing hormones later in the day for two reasons: (1) Sleep issues, and (2) it allows your LH to kick in during sleep and bounce your natural test back up. If you're adding hormones that late in the day, it's going to effect your bodies natural production much more, as your body produces Test mostly at night.
 
Irish Cannon said:
That sounds good.

Dude, epithio gives me crazy insomnia even when my last dose is at 11am. That's the one drawback to this compound for me.

Edit: Why are you dosing 1-T in the evening? Are you trying to get it in pre-workout? I usually try to avoid dosing hormones later in the day for two reasons: (1) Sleep issues, and (2) it allows your LH to kick in during sleep and bounce your natural test back up. If you're adding hormones that late in the day, it's going to effect your bodies natural production much more, as your body produces Test mostly at night.
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The man speaks truth. I was going to ask the same question, but figured "to each his own." haha
 
Irish Cannon said:
That sounds good.

Dude, epithio gives me crazy insomnia even when my last dose is at 11am. That's the one drawback to this compound for me.

Edit: Why are you dosing 1-T in the evening? Are you trying to get it in pre-workout? I usually try to avoid dosing hormones later in the day for two reasons: (1) Sleep issues, and (2) it allows your LH to kick in during sleep and bounce your natural test back up. If you're adding hormones that late in the day, it's going to effect your bodies natural production much more, as your body produces Test mostly at night.
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it's the most convenient time for me I take a shower at night apply it sleep with it on and where it throughout the day if I dont take a morning shower. If I do take a morning shower I keep it off during the day and then apply it after the night shower. With the texas humidity it is not something great to apply during the day.
 
TexasLifter89 said:
it's the most convenient time for me I take a shower at night apply it sleep with it on and where it throughout the day if I dont take a morning shower. If I do take a morning shower I keep it off during the day and then apply it after the night shower. With the texas humidity it is not something great to apply during the day.
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no kidding...
you may have to buy one of this little hand held fans to help it's effectiveness


you could get a hot pink one and wear it around your neck all around campus :spam:
 
TexasLifter89 said:
it's the most convenient time for me I take a shower at night apply it sleep with it on and where it throughout the day if I dont take a morning shower. If I do take a morning shower I keep it off during the day and then apply it after the night shower. With the texas humidity it is not something great to apply during the day.
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Morning would be best though.imo
 
TexasLifter89 said:
it's the most convenient time for me I take a shower at night apply it sleep with it on and where it throughout the day if I dont take a morning shower. If I do take a morning shower I keep it off during the day and then apply it after the night shower. With the texas humidity it is not something great to apply during the day.
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How are you sleeping?? do you feel rested in the am??
 
MaxGolf said:
How are you sleeping?? do you feel rested in the am??
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sleep is good. I take melatonin at night probably twice a week. I have been dreaming alot lately, I dont usually do this so I think it is a sign of better sleep. AM I am waking up good and rested, but I begin to feel lethargy around 5 and by 9-10 I am exhausted.
 
TexasLifter89 said:
sleep is good. I take melatonin at night probably twice a week. I have been dreaming alot lately, I dont usually do this so I think it is a sign of better sleep. AM I am waking up good and rested, but I begin to feel lethargy around 5 and by 9-10 I am exhausted.
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That's a good time to be lethargic, assuming you go to bed around 11 or so.
 
Was that being sarcarstic? (i cant tell because of internet) ... but yeah I try to go to bed around 9-10, but usually a few nights am up till 11
 
Irish Cannon said:
No, I was being serious. I get lethargy in the morning-afternoon, and it sucks. I wish it came about later in the evening.
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oh... yeah I don't mind it. I usually just try to keep myself stimulated with physical activity to wake me back up a bit. Lethargy can ruin a day fairly quick though...
 
TexasLifter89 said:
oh... yeah I don't mind it. I usually just try to keep myself stimulated with physical activity to wake me back up a bit. Lethargy can ruin a day fairly quick though...
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Yep. It makes my mornings extremely difficult. Unfortunately, I have a second-wind around 5pm, and have a very difficult time falling asleep.
 
you ever tried melatonin? I love it, and it's natural. I take it a few times a week and it helps me get on a regular sleep schedule. better than any OTC supp I have tried thus far.
 
TexasLifter89 said:
you ever tried melatonin? I love it, and it's natural. I take it a few times a week and it helps me get on a regular sleep schedule. better than any OTC supp I have tried thus far.
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Ya. It never did much for me. I really like the GHSR stack by MST, which I'm on now, but it's Havoc that's messing with things. I was sleeping amazingly before I started taking it.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Ya. It never did much for me. I really like the GHSR stack by MST, which I'm on now, but it's Havoc that's messing with things. I was sleeping amazingly before I started taking it.
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oh...what mg were you taking the melatonin at? what time of day and how many mg are you using for hacob? I think I am going to be using havoc at 20mg on the pulse. I am looking for more research on receptors though... as in do they really become "full" and requiring higher than normal dosages when using multiple compounds to get the normal effect of a lower dosage.
 
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