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fu**king newbs stop saying no to serms

jay21

jay21

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dangerous i see all these newbs recently claiming u dont need serms. YES YOU DO. if ur using ph or ds. epi or phera or dbol u NEED serms. so stop recommending ppl u dont need them!

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thats a diff threat. and ya i keep seeing ppl claiming no need for serm. wtf? andyes my friend made a bad choice for also not takin a serm but that his choice.

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Can you tell me how many guys who were olympians, powerlifters, etc between 1950-1995 used SERMs on 12-16 week cycles of test + dbol at high doses? 0

3 weeks on superdrol needs a SERM? hardly.
 
EasyEJL said:
Can you tell me how many guys who were olympians, powerlifters, etc between 1950-1995 used SERMs on 12-16 week cycles of test + dbol at high doses? 0

3 weeks on superdrol needs a SERM? hardly.
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Not to say they did it correctly, though. We know more now.

Plus they had HCG
 
But "need" a SERM isn't true. Its important to have on hand in case gyno develops, but isn't necessary for PCT itself.
 
i'd say new technology and new advancements in supplementation would make it ok to not have to have a SERM. i've done many pcts without one and no problems here
 
yeah I wanan make sure my grapefruitsa are there. I think really whatever your taking to really really read up and study it. For example we know if you do superdrol or m1t yes many things will be neccesary. Now lets take those high school musical fags and that kelly hoe that don't know **** about tren. Some ppl dont know some are methylized and what it will do to liver. Some thinks its ok to do m1t or superdrol and go to a party to get drunk yeah ok wtf ever! Yeah I think depending on what your taking I suggest maybe studying more about it for side effects and what to expect instead of diving into something like that faggot said he thought tren was a protein yeah wtf ever kid.
 
Stallion83 said:
yeah I wanan make sure my grapefruitsa are there. I think really whatever your taking to really really read up and study it. For example we know if you do superdrol or m1t yes many things will be neccesary.
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Is that so. Please educate us on what we should take.
Now lets take those high school musical fags and that kelly hoe that don't know **** about tren. Some ppl dont know some are methylized and what it will do to liver. Some thinks its ok to do m1t or superdrol and go to a party to get drunk yeah ok wtf ever!
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Interesting. What exactly will happen to their liver?
Yeah I think depending on what your taking I suggest maybe studying more about it for side effects and what to expect instead of diving into something like that faggot said he thought tren was a protein yeah wtf ever kid.
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What sides can someone expect from Superdrol, M1T or Tren?
 
jsp0785 said:
why does it need it? ATD's and others are good at controlling estrogen post cycle.
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i wudnt use a serm with M1T just for estrogen control...i wud use a serm with M1T becoz shut down is too severe. ur guna need sumthing to wake ur balls up, it also helps to keep ur gains. ur little boys wont be producing any test for awhile
 
Stallion83, There is no need to post your reply in my Profile. I asked you the question here in this thread, so please reply here. Thank you

Stallion83 said:
Well we already know since people using ph not knowing about liver problams yeah thats an issue. As for what to take depends on what your taking rather. Some are milder just like some are more harsh. But people need to read more about things more bc hey it aint my liver they can take the whole bottle of M-1 and go to a beer fest. I rather take the time to study it and know what I will go through. Yeah stupidass high school musical fags lol.
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You did not answer the question?

What should people take for their liver support?

What will happen to their liver?

What sides can someone expect from Superdrol, M1T or Tren?
 
Mu5tang69 said:
i wudnt use a serm with M1T just for estrogen control...i wud use a serm with M1T becoz shut down is too severe. ur guna need sumthing to wake ur balls up, it also helps to keep ur gains. ur little boys wont be producing any test for awhile
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what exactly is waking up your balls, What does a SERM do and what mechanism does it work?
 
Yea about that, my brother ran an epistane cycle for 4 weeks, at 30/30/30/40. Before and after blood work showed his total test was 200 points off baseline. Went from 750 to 550. So is it really worth putting a research chemical into your body, when an otc test booster will do a more then sufficient job. It is just bad advice to say you have to have it or you don't need it at all. Serms are a great thing, and have many beneficial benefits, but it is not an absolute must. Yes after certain compounds they are recommended, but blood work is the only thing that will determine if a serm is necessary. So unless you see someones blood work I don't see how recommending a research chemical is the correct way to do things. Yes sometimes they are in fact needed, but to say there a must for all ph's and steroids is an ignorant and flat out stupid remark.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
ur a board admin, use ur head & also do a search
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he is saying that if you guys do so much research, explain to him the mechanism of action for all the compounds your putting into your body. B5150 knows his ****, he is just trying to make a point.
 
james1 said:
he is saying that if you guys do so much research, explain to him the mechanism of action for all the compounds your putting into your body. B5150 knows his ****, he is just trying to make a point.
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if thats the case, cut the BS & whats his point?
 
Stallion83 said:
yeah I wanan make sure my grapefruitsa are there. I think really whatever your taking to really really read up and study it. For example we know if you do superdrol or m1t yes many things will be neccesary. Now lets take those high school musical fags and that kelly hoe that don't know **** about tren. Some ppl dont know some are methylized and what it will do to liver. Some thinks its ok to do m1t or superdrol and go to a party to get drunk yeah ok wtf ever! Yeah I think depending on what your taking I suggest maybe studying more about it for side effects and what to expect instead of diving into something like that faggot said he thought tren was a protein yeah wtf ever kid.
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You are an idiot. Plain and simple.
Please take your non-educated verbal diarrhea to some other site.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
thats a false accusation...lol
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Listen, if you're going to make a statement, please back it up with valid points. The whole defensive act makes it seem as if you are looking for a way out. I'm not going to argue with you, or go into name-calling, etc... Just expain it.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
i wudnt use a serm with M1T just for estrogen control...i wud use a serm with M1T becoz shut down is too severe. ur guna need sumthing to wake ur balls up, it also helps to keep ur gains. ur little boys wont be producing any test for awhile
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do serms have a direct effect on raising test?
 
why would anyone listen to jay21 anyway, guy tried telling me that mass fx gives better results then epistane. Someone should break his keyboard
 
SERM:
Clomid, stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that
a faster and higher release of follicle stimulating hormone aud
luteinizing hormone occurs. This results in an increase of the body's
own testosterone production. Clomid is a synthetic estrogen, however
it does also work as an anti-estrogen. How does it work? Because it is
a weak synthetic estrogen, it will bind to the estrogen receptor (ER)
and not cause any problems. At the same time the increase in estrogen
from steroids are blocked from attaching to the ER.

Nolvadex, is very comparable to Clomid, behaves in the same manner in
all tissues, and is a mixed estrogen agonist/antagonist of the same
type as Clomid. The two molecules are also very similar in structure.
It is not correct that Nolvadex reduces levels of estrogen: rather, it
blocks estrogen from estrogen receptors and, in those tissues where it
is an antagonist, causes the receptor to do nothing.

Cyclofenil, similar to HCG and Clomid in action. This drug is most
commonly used to increase endogenous testosterone levels after a cycle
in an attempt to avoid a hard crash while waiting for your hormone
levels to naturally balance. Similar to HCG and Clomid, cyclofenil
seems to quickly and effectively raise natural levels. Cyclofenil is
an estrogen that works as an anti-estrogen as well as a testosterone
booster.

do ur homework w/ M1T & u decide if u wana do a M1T cycle w/o a serm
 
Mu5tang69 said:
SERM:
Clomid, stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that
a faster and higher release of follicle stimulating hormone aud
luteinizing hormone occurs. This results in an increase of the body's
own testosterone production. Clomid is a synthetic estrogen, however
it does also work as an anti-estrogen. How does it work? Because it is
a weak synthetic estrogen, it will bind to the estrogen receptor (ER)
and not cause any problems. At the same time the increase in estrogen
from steroids are blocked from attaching to the ER.

Nolvadex, is very comparable to Clomid, behaves in the same manner in
all tissues, and is a mixed estrogen agonist/antagonist of the same
type as Clomid. The two molecules are also very similar in structure.
It is not correct that Nolvadex reduces levels of estrogen: rather, it
blocks estrogen from estrogen receptors and, in those tissues where it
is an antagonist, causes the receptor to do nothing.

Cyclofenil, similar to HCG and Clomid in action. This drug is most
commonly used to increase endogenous testosterone levels after a cycle
in an attempt to avoid a hard crash while waiting for your hormone
levels to naturally balance. Similar to HCG and Clomid, cyclofenil
seems to quickly and effectively raise natural levels. Cyclofenil is
an estrogen that works as an anti-estrogen as well as a testosterone
booster.

do ur homework w/ M1T & u decide if u wana do a M1T cycle w/o a serm
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Are you fukcing serious? That's a copy/paste job. Explain it to me without frantically searching Google. Man... :rolleyes:
 
Where do you guys get your serm from? the guy at the nutrit. store said nolva and clomid is purchased from prescription only. He has some knock offs but said they don't work that well and may not be necessary for H-drol. this is my first ph cycle, thought I did enough research but of course I learn something everyday which got me paranoid bout not doing right!.
 
i dont have any reps because i make fun of idiots like you. and fat pussys, so gold members and ect give me negative reps. i could really careless. I know more then you ever will. i been there done that
 
james1 said:
why would anyone listen to jay21 anyway, guy tried telling me that mass fx gives better results then epistane. Someone should break his keyboard
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hey i didnt say it is for everyone. in just my experince i had more strenght from mass fx. epi did jack for me. and i know how to run my cycles. i just didnt respond well to EPI. therefore i was saying in ur threat that IMO mass fx is better then EPI. what ur opinion is is ur choice i dont care.
 
Drjuicebox06 said:
i dont have any reps because i make fun of idiots like you. and fat pussys, so gold members and ect give me negative reps. i could really careless. I know more then you ever will. i been there done that
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....uhuh... nice lil background story on ur life

key phrase "i dont have any reps"
u disgrace
 
Iron Lungz said:
Are you fukcing serious? That's a copy/paste job. Explain it to me without frantically searching Google. Man... :rolleyes:
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no i cant "A S S H O L E" im not a fukin chemist & i have to refer to something for a good explanation. sorry bro... but i know how to educate myself & learn from others to make a decisions.

& ur attempts to demean me for an example labeling me as "frantically searching google" is that really necessary?

but most importantly... back to the subject... am i incorrect? if not then educate me please.
 
jay21 said:
hey i didnt say it is for everyone. in just my experince i had more strenght from mass fx. epi did jack for me. and i know how to run my cycles. i just didnt respond well to EPI. therefore i was saying in ur threat that IMO mass fx is better then EPI. what ur opinion is is ur choice i dont care.
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Ok but you recommended someone take a ph that can have some nasty side effects, because you said epi is a waste of money and they should buy something stronger. All I was saying is that your opinions suck.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
no i cant "A S S H O L E" im not a fukin chemist & i have to refer to something for a good explanation. sorry bro... but i know how to educate myself & learn from others to make a decisions.

& ur attempts to demean me for an example labeling me as "frantically searching google" is that really necessary?

but most importantly am i incorrect? if not then educate me please
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All you have done is copy and paste.

You explain to me how a SERM works.

"higher release of follicle stimulating hormone and
luteinizing hormone occurs"

What does that mean and why do I want this to happen?

BTW - We don't call people names on this board.
 
You demeaned yourself with the defensive attitude.


Mu5tang69 said:
no i cant "A S S H O L E" im not a fukin chemist & i have to refer to something for a good explanation. sorry bro... but i know how to educate myself & learn from others to make a decisions.

& ur attempts to demean me for an example labeling me as "frantically searching google" is that really necessary?

but most importantly am i incorrect? if not then educate me please
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B5150 said:
All you have done is copy and paste.

You explain to me how a SERM works.

"higher release of follicle stimulating hormone and
luteinizing hormone occurs"

What does that mean and why do I want this to happen?

BTW - We don't call people names on this board.
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no i wont be able to... u can most likely get a better explaination if u do a search
 
james1 said:
why would anyone listen to jay21 anyway, guy tried telling me that mass fx gives better results then epistane. Someone should break his keyboard
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I have never taken mass fx, but I have taken Epistane 2x and saw absolutely no results. I have had great results with hdrol and PPlex. So this statement could very well be true. There are many logs showing how EPI is very hit or miss as far as gains. And yes my diet and training were spot on during my EPI runs, my body just didn't respond as well as it did with Hdrol and PPlex.
 
first of all mass fx and epi are 2 different things. mass fx is baby ****, I dont get how you got more gains out of massfx then epi . you must lift and diet wrong.
 
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