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ArmDefine

Shhh I dont think you're allowed to say that, but remind me to buy a bottle for when i'm done with this bulk :D
 
dsade said:
Hopefully shooting some betas out this week.

By the way, it does work great on abdominals, too.
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DSADE,

Any opinions on how this would stack up to Napalm+Clen for abdominals?

Also how do we get some of the beta's?

Mr.50
 
Mr.50 said:
DSADE,

Any opinions on how this would stack up to Napalm+Clen for abdominals?

Also how do we get some of the beta's?

Mr.50
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Should stack excellently with Clen...FAR more than you realize...

Napalm can be used with it, though there is overlap of ingredients.

I'll try to shoot some betas out to Nutra this week.
 
dsade said:
Should stack excellently with Clen...FAR more than you realize...

Napalm can be used with it, though there is overlap of ingredients.
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Oh ok so you are saying that Arm Define + Clen would be best????

Do you think liquid clen and arm define will mix in the bottle without too much intervention? Or will heating etc be needed?

Mr.50
 
what do you think of using it on a small caloric surplus with ridiculous amounts of androgens and clen?
 
Mr.50 said:
Oh ok so you are saying that Arm Define + Clen would be best????

Do you think liquid clen and arm define will mix in the bottle without too much intervention? Or will heating etc be needed?

Mr.50
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Oh, it will mix VERY well.
 
EasyEJL said:
what do you think of using it on a small caloric surplus with ridiculous amounts of androgens and clen?
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I think it depends on the nature of those calories, as well as what kind of systemic fuel optimizer you use - but it will still be effective - especially with androgens and clen.
 
I'm still tossing around the source of calories. its all clean, maybe 200 above maintenance. lately i've been trying for 40/40/20 which has been requiring work (as i rarely eat that much in carbs). but I think have it down now.
 
dsade said:
I think it depends on the nature of those calories, as well as what kind of systemic fuel optimizer you use - but it will still be effective - especially with androgens and clen.
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DSADE do you think you might be able to let us in on how to get some Beta's
 
Mr.50 said:
DSADE do you think you might be able to let us in on how to get some Beta's
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I'll try to get some off to Nutra this week.

I have a limited supply of one ingredient - but should have enough for 20 or so.
 
dsade said:
bzzzz.....however, it is an addition to Trjectory as well as a standalone for my upcoming DNP cycle.

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Any other hopeful options for getting Trajectory out in the near future?
 
phantom said:
Any other hopeful options for getting Trajectory out in the near future?
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I'm not sure that the product would be up to my standards without the key ingredient.

Going to try some new contacts in China again.
 
dsade said:
I'm not sure that the product would be up to my standards without the key ingredient.

Going to try some new contacts in China again.
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Hopefully something works out-though with ''Armdefine'' PHEAR,etc. arriving soon, I think well be ok for a while lol
 
Damn...nobody can make it through a few pages in Pubmed?

J Nat Prod. 1998 Aug;61(8):1006-11.Click here to read Links
Norepinephrine-augmenting lipolytic effectors from Astilbe thunbergii rhizomes.
Han LK, Ninomiya H, Taniguchi M, Baba K, Kimura Y, Okuda H.

Second Department of Medical Biochemistry, School of Medicine, Ehime University, Shigenobu-cho, Onsen-gun, Ehime 791-0295, Japan.

An EtOAc-soluble fraction from a 80% Me2CO extract of the rhizomes of Astilbe thunbergii enhanced norepinephrine-induced lipolysis in rat fat cells, while an EtOAc-insoluble fraction had no effect. The active substances isolated from the EtOAc-soluble fraction of the rhizomes were identified as eucryphin (1), bergenin (2), and astilbin (3), which enhanced norepinephrine-induced lipolysis at concentrations of 10-1000 microgram/mL, while they themselves did not cause lipolysis. Furthermore, these compounds slightly stimulated adrenocorticotrophic hormone-induced lipolysis and inhibited insulin-induced lipogenesis from glucose.
 
Can you tell that I am a big supporter of PLCAR?

1: J Vasc Surg. 1999 Jun;29(6):1097-103.Click here to read Links
Propionyl-L-carnitine dilates human subcutaneous arteries through an endothelium-dependent mechanism.
Cipolla MJ, Nicoloff A, Rebello T, Amato A, Porter JM.

Department of Surgery, Division of Vascular Surgery, Oregon Health Sciences University, Portland 97201, USA.

PURPOSE: The vasoactive effects of propionyl-L-carnitine (PLC) on human arteries, including endothelial and smooth muscle cell influences, were studied. METHODS: Small (less than 200 microm) subcutaneous fat arteries (n = 19), obtained from human patients undergoing vascular surgery, were dissected and mounted in an arteriograph system that allowed measurement of lumen diameter and control of transmural pressure. To investigate the role of the endothelium, arteries were compared intact, intact and in the presence of either 0.3 mmol/L nitro-L-arginine (an inhibitor of nitric oxide synthesis) or 10 micromol/L indomethacin (an inhibitor of prostaglandin synthesis), or denuded of endothelium. After a 1-hour equilibration at a pressure of 50 mm Hg, arteries were precontracted 50% with an intermediate concentration of norepinephrine, and clinically relevant concentrations of PLC (0.1 to 100 micromol/L) were cumulatively added to the bath while the lumen diameter was continually measured. RESULTS: Intact arteries dose-dependently dilated to PLC, with the half maximal dilation occurring at 2.9 +/- 1.2 micromol/L, increasing diameter 91% +/- 5% at 100 micromol/L. In contrast, PLC had significantly less effect on deendothelialized arteries, increasing diameter only 24% +/- 11% at 100 micromol/L (P <.01 vs. intact). This indicates the endothelial dependency of this compound. Blockade of nitric oxide did not inhibit this vasodilation, with the half-maximal response occurring at 8.6 +/- 7 micromol/L, increasing diameter 85% +/- 8% at 100 micromol/L ( P >.05 vs. intact). However, this vasodilation was significantly diminished in the presence of indomethacin, which dilated arteries only 53% +/- 18% at 100 micromol/L (P <.01 vs. intact; P >.05 vs. denuded). CONCLUSION: PLC is an endothelium-dependent vasodilator, the mechanism of which is partially mediated by prostaglandin synthesis, not nitric oxide. The beneficial effects of this compound may, in part, be related to vasodilation and enhanced blood flow.
 
I have my trainer testing this and posing at different stages with Mike Davies to evaluate her body composition. So far she is dieting for her pro competition and it has dialed a complete 8 pack of abs in on her. This s one of her weaker points and she is also moving on to use it on upper quads. So far so good.
 
he_hate_me said:
Can it be used on the chubby cheeks?
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That carrier is mild enough that it should be able to be. However, it DOES contain capsaicin, which might be irritating in it's own right.
 
What about those of us wanting to get some of the bloat/fat out of the sides of our face and our chin/neck area? And what about the stubborn abdominal area?

I've used several RPN products in the past already and with great success. You and your company are very innovative. You'll be going far in this business.
 
AmericnMuscle said:
What about those of us wanting to get some of the bloat/fat out of the sides of our face and our chin/neck area? And what about the stubborn abdominal area?

I've used several RPN products in the past already and with great success. You and your company are very innovative. You'll be going far in this business.
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Thanks...compliments are always encouraging.

This will work on the neck (with the previous caveat) and should definitely help face fat as well. I have not applied to the face yet, so the irritation factor might be pretty significant.
 
dollar662 said:
when can we get our hands on some ?

Thanks
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I'm a bit slammed with backorders, but hoping to ship some betas this week to Nutra.
 
dsade said:
I'm a bit slammed with backorders, but hoping to ship some betas this week to Nutra.
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Thanks maybe a dumb question but does nuta have betas on their site to purchase or do yo uhave to do something special to order them

Thanks
 
dollar662 said:
Thanks maybe a dumb question but does nuta have betas on their site to purchase or do yo uhave to do something special to order them

Thanks
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When we debut a new product, most of our customers have stated that they would rather have the product to use rather than delaying release for a month or so waiting for a label.

When a beta goes out, it is released as the product - no special steps necessary.
 
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