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DavidCream

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I'm going to run a non-methyl. You each have interesting products. I want the reps here to sell me on your product.

Before I even list my options PLEASE PLEASE don't turn this into an "our product is better than theirs" something similar happened when I made an innocent Ragnarok or NOS Ether thread...

All I want is reasons why I should use your product, not why I shouldn't use theirs.


Anabolic Xtreme: Why should I use 3-ad to gain muscle? 2 bottles is a must?


Advanced Muscle Science: Why should I use 1/4-ad to gain muscle? 2 bottles of each is a must?


Primordial Performance: Why should I use your Transdermal 1-T to gain muscle? I would like to use 1 bottle but I fear that it wont be enough to gain anything.


Ready
GO!


good luck dont turn this into a flame war.

stay safe, be easy
-DC
 
I'm going to run a non-methyl. You each have interesting products. I want the reps here to sell me on your product.

Before I even list my options PLEASE PLEASE don't turn this into an "our product is better than theirs" something similar happened when I made an innocent Ragnarok or NOS Ether thread...

All I want is reasons why I should use your product, not why I shouldn't use theirs.


Anabolic Xtreme: Why should I use 3-ad to gain muscle? 2 bottles is a must?


Advanced Muscle Science: Why should I use 1/4-ad to gain muscle? 2 bottles of each is a must?


Primordial Performance: Why should I use your Transdermal 1-T to gain muscle? I would like to use 1 bottle but I fear that it wont be enough to gain anything.


Ready
GO!


good luck dont turn this into a flame war.

stay safe, be easy
-DC

The RIGHT question would be Why would you not use 1-T!!
you can and you will see gains from one bottle but if you want the best results you would be better off with two.
If you would like you can check out some logs. My good friend Trauma1 has a full list of 1-T logs for guys that stacked 1-T and did solo logs. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/prim...290-primordial-performances-consolidated.html
 
Ha! I like this thread. PP and AX are cool by me. Having said that 1-Androsterone is a powerful compound and you should expect solid lean gains. The 4-Ad will offset the ugly sides of libido crash (very common with 1-Androsterone solo) and general lethargy that some experience. Its a nice stack without a doubt.

Do you need two bottles of each to gain? NO Depends how long you want to cycle though.

Obviously you are shooting for a non-methyl cycle it appears. So this is a good choice as is PP's 1-T. Oral vs Topical should be another consideration you take.

On top of ALL that I have access to Trauma1's myspace page and I'll gladly post his embarrassing pics of his from there if I need to. :D
 
Ha! I like this thread. PP and AX are cool by me. Having said that 1-Androsterone is a powerful compound and you should expect solid lean gains. The 4-Ad will offset the ugly sides of libido crash (very common with 1-Androsterone solo) and general lethargy that some experience. Its a nice stack without a doubt.

Do you need two bottles of each to gain? NO Depends how long you want to cycle though.

Obviously you are shooting for a non-methyl cycle it appears. So this is a good choice as is PP's 1-T. Oral vs Topical should be another consideration you take.

On top of ALL that I have access to Trauma1's myspace page and I'll gladly post his embarrassing pics of his from there if I need to. :D

thanks for the response my roommate used 1/4 stack ( 2 bottles of the 1-ad and 1 of the 4-ad) and BLEW UP on it, I was SHOCKED he gained like 15 lbs.

The RIGHT question would be Why would you not use 1-T!!
you can and you will see gains from one bottle but if you want the best results you would be better off with two.
If you would like you can check out some logs. My good friend Trauma1 has a full list of 1-T logs for guys that stacked 1-T and did solo logs. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/prim...290-primordial-performances-consolidated.html

again thanks for the response I pm'd you.

You reps arent making this decision any easier.....ahaha
 
I have nothing but love for AX and AMS, but i'll tell you why i would choose 1-T.


First - It's a transdermal formulation that utilizes this method of delivery into the body. This is beneficial for a non-methylated (pro)hormone for many reasons. Transdermal delivery avoids what is known as "The First Pass-Effect." This is observed with anything that is orally ingested in our bodies via the enteral (oral) route. Before entering systemic circulation, the said compounds must pass through the hepatic portal circulation. At this point, the liver metabolizes much of compound leaving very little to enter systemic cirrculation for use.

Methylated hormones are designed to avoid immediate metabolism via this route so they can be delivered intact (this also leads to hepatic/liver stress), but non-methylated substances can very much be effected through this route. Many non-methyl orals utilize the lymphatic delivery system due to many of the hormones being lipid soluble. This will help avoid the first pass-effect because many dietary fats are absorbed directly into the lymphatic system which also avoids the 1st pass-effect, but the degree that's actually absorbed remains in question.


Second - Our 5.0 transdermal formula enhances not only the delivery, but also absorbtion of the compound itself. We specifically utilize the transdermal delivery method because certain areas of your skin have a good amount of steroidogenic enzymes (17b-HSD and 3b-HSD) that are required for 1-DHEA compound conversion. These steroidogenic enzymes are more abundant in certain areas of your skin than in your gastrointestinal tract. This also increases the odds it will convert to the beneficially target hormones (1-Androstenediol, 1-Androstenedione, and 1-Test.)

Our 1-T product is also designed to have a time released delivery system as well. That means when you apply early in the A.M., it continues to realease in your body all day long, so no having to remember to dose multiple times during the day. :)

All of these products are great choices in all reality, but i would recommend our 1-T product for the reasons stated above. If there are any questions i can answer for you, please don't hesitate to ask. :)

BTW - I see you're from connecticut, what part? I lived there 25 years myself.
 
Ha! I like this thread. PP and AX are cool by me. Having said that 1-Androsterone is a powerful compound and you should expect solid lean gains. The 4-Ad will offset the ugly sides of libido crash (very common with 1-Androsterone solo) and general lethargy that some experience. Its a nice stack without a doubt.

Do you need two bottles of each to gain? NO Depends how long you want to cycle though.

Obviously you are shooting for a non-methyl cycle it appears. So this is a good choice as is PP's 1-T. Oral vs Topical should be another consideration you take.

On top of ALL that I have access to Trauma1's myspace page and I'll gladly post his embarrassing pics of his from there if I need to. :D

And i yours as well.......muhahahaha! ;)
 
I'm from Southington, go school in Willimantic, and record in Middletown.


you PP reps are great. 1-T it is!

Glad to help you out! :)

I had a buddy that lived in southington during high school. I grew up in waterbury, but lived in naugatuck/beacon falls for some time as well.
 
Look out for some upcoming AMS logs with 1Andro and 1Andro/4ad.. the logs will do all the talking!
 
Let me just say this. The title to this thread is just amazing!!! Damn, man!! That's NICE!!! Making me do my job...

Ok, well, since the other guys seemed to come in and "sell it", I guess I can do the same. But rather than try to push it on you, I'll just yammer on and on with some of the finer points...

Why 3-AD? Why not? The successes that people have had with it have run the gamut from mild to wild. Just as anything else, when you put out a product and have people try it out, the range of responses are often skewed. Person A may say that they loved it, while person B may not have had any success. From my experience working with AX and doing a LOT of the customer service e-mails that come into AX, the vast VAST majority of those users who saw little to no success with it were using it improperly. When I or someone else explained to them that there is a right way and a wrong way, you could almost always see the palm-to-forehead connection going on in their replies. It's very simple, but is understandably more difficult than just a grab-n-go. But as long as you follow the guidelines of dosing it with the proper amount of fats (15-20g should do you for each dose), you'll have no problems. The fats are necessary because the core ingredients in 3-AD are fat soluble. If you take them on an empty stomach with just water, you'll be wizzing 'em out later. Simple as that.

But WHY??? Non-methyl. Good choice. To me, a good choice is something that is also versatile. If you want to bulk, you take one product. If you want to cut, you take another. I'm not going to sit here and say that 3-AD is great for either one, because it's been used for all goals with success. I've said it over and over about how I lost 3 pounds on a cycle of it last year but gained in the strength and definition department. Not so impressive until you know me and that I'm not the most "cut" guy out there. (I lift for fun and health, never competition!) Bulks are successful due to the muscle-building properties. Cuts are also successful because of the fat-burning properties as well. 3-AD isn't just one ingredient with one goal. It is a synergistic blend of ingredients to work through multiple pathways to help you accomplish your goals!! And yes, diet and exercise are ALWAYS the top priorities and determine what our success will be towards that end goal. But with something as versatile as 3-AD.... ;)

PCT - easy. 1 bottle of AX's Advanced PCT (aPCT) and you are done. 30 days at 3/day. 6-bromo, bad-AX of all AIs, dosed just right. It'd inexpensive and WILL cover you.

Am I trying to make a sale? No - frankly, if you buy it, that's dandy. I don't see anything out of it. I just spent 5 minutes typing this at home after finishing dinner, and Max (my Great Dane) wants out of his crate to go outside and eat snow. He's whimpering. Did I have to write this much? No, but I do because it's what I like to do. AX reps are always around to help. Trauma1 and the other guys here are awesome, and I respect them and their products. I won't say which one is best, because I've yet to try them all. But if it comes down to it, if you need answers or help, just ask us. AX is here. You can e-mail me or any of us anytime. You can hit me up on AIM if you really need. Heck, you can call the AX office anytime and get a LIVE PERSON located in Arizona!!! (But we won't hold it against 'em for being Card's fans...GO STILLERS!!) The only thing that I can extend to you is support through it all - personal, professional, and whatever you need. We're here to help.

Good luck in your decision. It is your's and your's alone to make. In the end, I hope you try them all!! Have fun, bro. Keep me posted if you need anything at all.
 
Let me just say this. The title to this thread is just amazing!!! Damn, man!! That's NICE!!! Making me do my job...

Ok, well, since the other guys seemed to come in and "sell it", I guess I can do the same. But rather than try to push it on you, I'll just yammer on and on with some of the finer points...

Why 3-AD? Why not? The successes that people have had with it have run the gamut from mild to wild. Just as anything else, when you put out a product and have people try it out, the range of responses are often skewed. Person A may say that they loved it, while person B may not have had any success. From my experience working with AX and doing a LOT of the customer service e-mails that come into AX, the vast VAST majority of those users who saw little to no success with it were using it improperly. When I or someone else explained to them that there is a right way and a wrong way, you could almost always see the palm-to-forehead connection going on in their replies. It's very simple, but is understandably more difficult than just a grab-n-go. But as long as you follow the guidelines of dosing it with the proper amount of fats (15-20g should do you for each dose), you'll have no problems. The fats are necessary because the core ingredients in 3-AD are fat soluble. If you take them on an empty stomach with just water, you'll be wizzing 'em out later. Simple as that.

But WHY??? Non-methyl. Good choice. To me, a good choice is something that is also versatile. If you want to bulk, you take one product. If you want to cut, you take another. I'm not going to sit here and say that 3-AD is great for either one, because it's been used for all goals with success. I've said it over and over about how I lost 3 pounds on a cycle of it last year but gained in the strength and definition department. Not so impressive until you know me and that I'm not the most "cut" guy out there. (I lift for fun and health, never competition!) Bulks are successful due to the muscle-building properties. Cuts are also successful because of the fat-burning properties as well. 3-AD isn't just one ingredient with one goal. It is a synergistic blend of ingredients to work through multiple pathways to help you accomplish your goals!! And yes, diet and exercise are ALWAYS the top priorities and determine what our success will be towards that end goal. But with something as versatile as 3-AD.... ;)

PCT - easy. 1 bottle of AX's Advanced PCT (aPCT) and you are done. 30 days at 3/day. 6-bromo, bad-AX of all AIs, dosed just right. It'd inexpensive and WILL cover you.

Am I trying to make a sale? No - frankly, if you buy it, that's dandy. I don't see anything out of it. I just spent 5 minutes typing this at home after finishing dinner, and Max (my Great Dane) wants out of his crate to go outside and eat snow. He's whimpering. Did I have to write this much? No, but I do because it's what I like to do. AX reps are always around to help. Trauma1 and the other guys here are awesome, and I respect them and their products. I won't say which one is best, because I've yet to try them all. But if it comes down to it, if you need answers or help, just ask us. AX is here. You can e-mail me or any of us anytime. You can hit me up on AIM if you really need. Heck, you can call the AX office anytime and get a LIVE PERSON located in Arizona!!! (But we won't hold it against 'em for being Card's fans...GO STILLERS!!) The only thing that I can extend to you is support through it all - personal, professional, and whatever you need. We're here to help.

Good luck in your decision. It is your's and your's alone to make. In the end, I hope you try them all!! Have fun, bro. Keep me posted if you need anything at all.

You're a good man yourself, sir! :D

I really enjoyed my run with 3-AD myself. Without a doubt i'll be using it again in the future.
 
I have nothing but love for AX and AMS, but i'll tell you why i would choose 1-T.


First - It's a transdermal formulation that utilizes this method of delivery into the body. This is beneficial for a non-methylated (pro)hormone for many reasons. Transdermal delivery avoids what is known as "The First Pass-Effect." This is observed with anything that is orally ingested in our bodies via the enteral (oral) route. Before entering systemic circulation, the said compounds must pass through the hepatic portal circulation. At this point, the liver metabolizes much of compound leaving very little to enter systemic cirrculation for use.

Methylated hormones are designed to avoid immediate metabolism via this route so they can be delivered intact (this also leads to hepatic/liver stress), but non-methylated substances can very much be effected through this route. Many non-methyl orals utilize the lymphatic delivery system due to many of the hormones being lipid soluble. This will help avoid the first pass-effect because many dietary fats are absorbed directly into the lymphatic system which also avoids the 1st pass-effect, but the degree that's actually absorbed remains in question.


Second - Our 5.0 transdermal formula enhances not only the delivery, but also absorbtion of the compound itself. We specifically utilize the transdermal delivery method because certain areas of your skin have a good amount of steroidogenic enzymes (17b-HSD and 3b-HSD) that are required for 1-DHEA compound conversion. These steroidogenic enzymes are more abundant in certain areas of your skin than in your gastrointestinal tract. This also increases the odds it will convert to the beneficially target hormones (1-Androstenediol, 1-Androstenedione, and 1-Test.)

Our 1-T product is also designed to have a time released delivery system as well. That means when you apply early in the A.M., it continues to realease in your body all day long, so no having to remember to dose multiple times during the day. :)

All of these products are great choices in all reality, but i would recommend our 1-T product for the reasons stated above. If there are any questions i can answer for you, please don't hesitate to ask. :)

BTW - I see you're from connecticut, what part? I lived there 25 years myself.

I was already sold on PP products a long time ago (I'm a big TD fan), but this just makes the 1-T sound so much more enticing. LOL. :D

Cheers bro!:cheers:
 
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