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facko

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Ok so...being somewhat disappointed with m-drol, I'm willing to give another designer a try. From my previous thread on m-drol, it was pretty much most people aren't as excited or getting the same type results/feeling from m-drol as they did from the superdrol of old. My question is though, does this hold true for the other clones as well? Does h-drol work exactly the same as halodrol of old? Does p-plex work exactly the same as the pheraplex of old?
 
with the right diet you can gain 10-20 lbs in 2-3 weeks using m-drol...what more do you want? if you were dissapointed it was probly something you did...not the super
 
eballarj said:
yah, never really heard of mdrol not working 'till just now.
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oh just search m-drol...a quarter of the threads are user complaints but then it turns out the op is on a low carb diet or hasnt trained in two years and thought the mdrol was magic or they lost all their gains because they didnt run a pct(who knew?) and its the supers fault that they dont have any endogenous test now...etc...etc...etc
 
mooch2321 said:
oh just search m-drol...a quarter of the threads are user complaints but then it turns out the op is on a low carb diet or hasnt trained in two years and thought the mdrol was magic or they lost all their gains because they didnt run a pct(who knew?) and its the supers fault that they dont have any endogenous test now...etc...etc...etc
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Dude, as people have said a billion times, the mdrol/carb thing is a myth. Total myth.
 
Rugger said:
Dude, as people have said a billion times, the mdrol/carb thing is a myth. Total myth.
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oh...you dont think carb loading is vital when on m-drol? tell ya what rugger...now that youve finally popped your cherry why dont you run m-drol for two weeks using the palumbo diet and then do another cyle while carb loading...we will see what happens...
 
mooch2321 said:
oh...you dont think carb loading is vital when on m-drol? tell ya what rugger...now that youve finally popped your cherry why dont you run m-drol for two weeks using the palumbo diet and then do another cyle while carb loading...we will see what happens...
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No, I don't think it's vital at all. Plenty of guys have used mdrol with restricted carbs and have done just fine.

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Uhm WTF?!...the op is me...and I the last thread is HERE..look through my training and diet..I know its on par..I was not on a low carb diet? And my pct is nolva..this is not my first cycle lol. Read through this thread and tell me that its just me. Invalid Link Removed

NOW, please lets not comment on m-drol..I was asking about how h-drol compares to the halodrol of old and how p-plex compares to the pheraplex of old.
 
OP I am with you, Superdrol is strong stuff and it's obvious whether it's working or not working.

To answer your question, i think most of the other clones are legit, it's the SD clones i don't trust because their synthesis from anadrol makes it possible to have anadrol in there instead of SD (This is all conjecture that has been dsicussed before elsewhere we don't need to get into the debate here but think about it, Anadrol is dosed at about 100mg/day for a dose, if your Superdrol is 50% anadrol then it's not as potent as it should be).

Most clones are good though just a bad batch every now and then. PPlex worked for me, i'm not a huge fan of Phera but i can tell when anabolics are working. What are you interested in running?
 
ok...i never ran the originals of either compound...so im not gonna comment on that...but in the thread you posted you said you eat lots and then go on to say that you didnt respond well to havoc, superdrol or test...this leads me to believe that yes the problem here is you...sorry
 
Well he said he's almost completely sure his test was fake. And lots of people don't respond to havoc, including me. I was bulking on 40mg of Epi and only gaining fat and no strength, threw in SD and blew up.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Well he said he's almost completely sure his test was fake. And lots of people don't respond to havoc, including me. I was bulking on 40mg of Epi and only gaining fat and no strength, threw in SD and blew up.
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just suspicious that the diet consisting of lots hasnt paid off on three different cycles
 
mooch2321 said:
just suspicious that the diet consisting of lots hasnt paid off on three different cycles
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facko said:
I really appreciate all the conjecture and responses from you guys! Just to clear up whatever questions pertaining to my training and diet etc, I have no problem posting what I eat for the most part daily and how I have been training. My split is a
very basic bodybuilding volume split..I don't start my training workweek on Monday because I have classes in the morning and then work until 10.

Monday - Off

Tuesday - Back, Biceps
Weighted Wide Pullups - 3 x 8-10
Deadlifts - 4 x 6-8
Barbell Rows - 4 x 8-10
Barbell Curls - 3 x 8-10
Close Grip curls - 3 x 8-10
Machine Curls - 3 x 10-12

Wednesday - Off

Thursday - Shoulders, Traps
Military Press - 4 x 6-8
Seated Dumbbell - 3 x 8-10
Lateral Raises - 3 x 10-12
Bent Over Lateral Raises - 3 x 10-12
Shrugs - 3 x 8-10

Friday - Legs, Calves
Back Squats - 4 x 8-10
Barbell Lunges - 3 x 8-10
Leg Press (high foot placement) - 3 x 8-10
Reverse Hypers - 3 x 8-10
Seated Calve Raises - 3 x 10-12

Saturday - Off

Sunday - Chest, Triceps
Flat Bench - 4 x 6-8
Incline Dumbbell - 3 x 8-10
Cable Crossover - 3 x 10-12
Weighted Dips - 4 x 6-8
Skullcrusher superset Close Grip - 3 x 8-10

I train with a partner and we are both very motivated, limit talking to a minimum, and all together stay very focused and INTENSE. I try to keep rest periods 60-90 seconds max especially since I have recently been training for size predominantly. Also, as far as the rep ranges go, I use mostly 6-8 for the major compound movements, 8-10 for secondary type movements, and 10-12 for pure isolation/auxiliary movements (like machine curls etc). Before this, I did very low rep ranges because I was predominantly training for strength.

Diet as of now is not overtly clean, however I do try to keep a semblance of good food choices in hopes for my body to partition the excess nutrients to muscle gain rather than fat deposit.(although some fat gain is ok for me) But, it is nothing compared to how I eat when I'm focused on losing. Here is an example of a usual day:
6am - Whey Protein , Banana
7am - 6 eggs (3 with yolk), whole cup of oatmeal, fruit, two slices american cheese.
10am - 1/2 cup white rice, 8-10oz chicken breast
1pm - 1/2 cup white rice, 8-10oz chicken breast
4pm - Can of tuna, two tablespoons mayo, tablespoon extra virgin olive oil.
8pm - Ground beef, broccoli with liberal amount of extra virgin olive oil.
1030pm(Before Bed) - Whey protein, 3 tablespoons natural peanut butter.
On training days I have a postworkout shake which contains about 46g of dextrose and 26g of whey protein. Also keep in mind that I eat fast food a couple times throughout the week as my main goal is mass, but as I said before I try to stick with better food choices for the calories.

As far as me not growing on test..it was bunk I'm almost sure of. And now that I think of it, I used havoc while I was below maintenance calories, and I held my strength, so it did work now that I really think about it.
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I don't think his diet is bad. He said it'll range from 3K to 4K a day. Considering he's 175 i think that's plenty to make gains. With Superdrol gaining weight is easy. I'm up 4 pounds in 3 days.
 
UnrealMachine said:
And lots of people don't respond to havoc, including me.
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i remember u saying that u didnt respond to a lot of things. have u ever thought maybe ur right at ur genetic peak? i know steroids are meant to break genetic peaks but unless ur on indefinitely u cant hold the weight. hence the reason HGH is then incorporated.

ur a big dude and im not dogging u, ur diet, ur training.....im just kind of thinking out loud. maybe these designers could only take YOUR body so far....but u saw them as ineffective, yet they were working on a certain level, but not high enough for u personally to see anything.


wow i just re-read that, sorta word vomit, hope u can kinda understand what im getting at
 
Alright first of all i'm sorry i'm derailing this thread but I am going to address this

@ Dsade, I know Havoc is an original not a clone i am sorry if i called it that. I have never run Havoc, I have run Epi but i just try to avoid all the drama there by calling them all equivalent. I was probably wrong to say "LOTS" of people are nonresponders to it -- the quantifier "lots" is relative; all I mean is that it is not unheard of, i've seen other people just not benefit, just as I have read many posts (maybe 10-12 people) who flat out did not respond to Phera, and i take their diet and training into account, i do not try to compile statistics from poor data. Sometimes people just don't respond.

This was my latest experience with Epistane:
I ran it 30/30/40/40 on a bulking diet
I went up about 5 pounds but this weight was all flab and water as my strength did not increase at all. I had some of the effects of steroids such as increased vascularity, pumps, and hardness. But i wasn't gaining muscle or strength.

Immediately upon introducing Superdrol into my cycle (Methyl Drol XT @ 10mg) my weight started to explode. I gained 10 pounds in the first 8 days, eating the same way as I was eating on the Epistane. My benchpress (which did not increase a single repetition during the month on Epi) increased about 15 pounds a week on Superdrol. It was insane.

As i've said in probably 10 posts now, Hdrol didn't do anything to me, not even the normal steroid effects I get like pumps, veins and hardness. NOTHING. As i said before at one point i was stacking 90mg Trenadrol with 50mg of Phera and not noticing a whole lot of effects. I just think most compounds don't work well on me. I have to take 400mg of caffeine to notice it. I've never had a painkiller that worked on me. Even prescription painkillers i've had never seemed to do anything noticeable. When it comes to the substances I've tried, i usually have a high tolerance, if i can respond at all.

Nos you bring up the point of me possibly being at too high of a level of training to benefit, this surely cannot be the case or else I would not have responded so well to Superdrol and so abysmally to most everything else. Also, my genetics are good, i can gain muscle easily most of the time, but if i eat enough to gain muscle i'll surely gain fat. I gained 40 pounds in my first 15 months of weight training in high school, and I trained like high schoolers train: very stupidly. I know my genetics will take me much further, as I have only been training religiously with good diet and all for about 26 months.

Nos i know you read a lot on AAS boards, you know some people don't respond at all to EQ, or Deca, or other compounds, it is simple as that.

mooch2321 said:
good point tho nos...who knows...unreal when you breakin your cherry on the test?
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i'm on day 3 bro +4 lbs :)
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It is of no use for me to lie about my diet, the way I train, or how much effort I put into bodybuilding/powerlifting in general, because that would not solve much of anything for me in terms of my original complaint. My diet is what I posted, it is that to a T...because it is much easier for me to eat the same thing every day, that way I'm not constantly calculating my macros etc. I really do thank Unreal for backing me up on this, and taking the time to repost my training and diet from the other thread.

I'd like to make another point in response to me not responding to Havoc. After thinking about the statement I made originally about not responding, I realize that it was brash and in short wrong. I failed to mention the calorie restriction while I was taking Havoc, because I didn't really think about it or realize I was cutting heavily during the 3 weeks I was on Havoc. I had lost 20lbs during that period...within a couple months, I got down to 160lbs and maintained my strength on deadlift, squat and bench. Which was the whole purpose of the cut, to get down to 160 and see if I could keep strength there as I wanted to do a powerlifting meet in Feb at that weight. In that respect, I have to attribute that to the Havoc, as I literally lost NO strength after dropping 20lbs. Btw, I have since gained into the late 170s as I have decided against trying to compete at that weight.

As far as the test, it was (a) (x) (I) (o) ...and my partner took the same exact dosage as me, and did it for 2 weeks longer than I did, and experienced absolutely NOTHING from it either. From what I can gather, it was either totally bunk or EXTREMELY underdosed, as alot of the source check boards (one of which I pay for) has repeatedly talked about how garbage that particular UG brand is. So, it's safe to say that endeavor does not count.

As far as M-drol....I'm not knocking CEL, I'm not saying your results or others results were bullshit, I'm saying that for me, it has not done much of anything. And as pointed out before by Unreal...I explained my diet to much greater lengths than to just say I ate "Lots" ...when it was asked of me the specifics..I showed them, and as I said before...for me to lie about my diet would do me no good in terms of figuring out the problem. There were a few things that you just threw out there mooch, things that I really can't figure out where you got them from. Such as me not doing PCT...? Or in that thread I only posted that I ate Lots..when in fact I posted my full diet, and full training routine on top of it.

I'm not saying in anyway that I'm HYOOGE...but it's clear that I'm above average...I didn't get to where I am from not doing **** at all right. I joined this site wayyy back when I had initially got into bodybuilding, and some serious personal troubles and problems set me back for almost 2 years. I have only been back training for about 9 months...and my physique looks better than the majority of people I come in contact with on a day to day basis, so I think its safe to say I have been doing something right and have some know how. I have made enough gains naturally to know what it would feel like to be "enhanced".

The purpose of this thread was not to question me, nor m-drols effectiveness, it was to question how h-drol stacks up compared to the halodrol of old and how p-plex stacks up to the pheraplex of old. Personal experiences by people who have possibly done both, or maybe just the recent clones. So if anyone wants to make constructive posts on the effectiveness of those particular compounds and can conscience free tell me that my money is safe spent on those products, I'm willing to hear it. If you want to continually bring up m-drol, my diet, my training...I don't want to hear it. I have found a couple LEGIT injects, and I'd like to jumpstart some test with a designer. If I can't get test, I'd be willing to do a 1-t/hdrol or 1-t/phera cycle.
 
yeah my mistake bro...didnt read past the first couple of posts where you kept saying "lots"...sorry...and regardless of what i think im hijacking your thread so i will stop now...have a good day
 
mooch2321 said:
yeah my mistake bro...didnt read past the first couple of posts where you kept saying "lots"...sorry...and regardless of what i think im hijacking your thread so i will stop now...have a good day
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It's all good man..and if you have any experience with p-plex or h-drol..feel free to post it..
 
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