Gun control...what do you think, accurate?

[Tyler1]

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.20From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated


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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Defenseless pe ople rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still po ssess their guns!

It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of h onest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson.

With Guns............We Are "Citizens".
Without Them........We Are "Subjects".

During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attend ed Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attaché to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.


It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns.

 

[Rugger]

Ok.

 

[MentalTwitch]

get your weak propaganda outta here. Whats the point you are trying to imply? Rather than list useless facts show what you wanna talk about?
Failure of laws?
A Weak system?
Constant fear?
Look at society for some of your things too.

 

[Omen]

Thank you, great post :thumbsup:

Don't mind the naysayers, they probably think only criminals and cops have guns and don't even know the constitution from their TV guide until they notice American Idol and Housewives are not in one of them (guess which one?).

Plus if any foreign or domestic enemies decide to take this country by force and people are still armed, they won't fight, they'll ***** out, order their pizza and hope they can watch "War on America" on HD and record it on their Tivo/Dvr whatever the f**k it's called.

They'll be too fat to fight, too dumb to organize a fight, too scared to leave the house and too ignorant, thinking aliens have invaded (State channel 1)

Eventually, baby steps of brainwashing might work and when people are finally disarmed, put in martial law until TBA (various countries have been under martial/emergency law for over 10 years, some even 20 like Egypt.)

And when it finally happens, they deserve every bit of it, no rights no privileges, curfews, etc.... What's not worth fighting for, is not important so I guess they don't need their guns or freedoms.

This is worse case scenario and people think ahhh those people are lunatics, that would never happen in America....right....and it couldn't happen in hundreds of other countries either..........but it did.

Don't try to educate people, those who want truth will find it, if not f**k em, just worry about yourself, less people =more resources and less waste/pollution, always a plus.

 

[Tyler1]

get your weak propaganda outta here. Whats the point you are trying to imply? Rather than list useless facts show what you wanna talk about?
Failure of laws?
A Weak system?
Constant fear?
Look at society for some of your things too.

Useless facts?

 

[MentalTwitch]

no its not ignorance. It the aspect of the facts. Where does it say who killed who? Who had the guns still? Which ones are registered? I think that things like this are to flawed.
Omen - I dont live like that, not sayin you implied it to me nor am i tryin to pick a e-fight.
I think its easy tocome up with things that take a side. i.e. 9/11. Theres alot of both sides, conspiracy/false event and exactly what we know to happen.

Gix - sometimes yes.

I do believe in owning a gun but in the wrong hands is how these facts will rise. Crime rates went up due to clean registered arms being pulled and underground forces knew about it?
Details are key. Not saying these facts are false but i just cant take things at face value like that.

Like i said, not tryint o start an e-fight nor directly pick apart anyones stand. I do not feel i enjoy ignorance but i must agree Gix for most it is.

 

[DR.D]

... Don't try to educate people, those who want truth will find it, if not f**k em, just worry about yourself, less people =more resources and less waste/pollution, always a plus.

If they'll listen, why not try to educate them?

 

[DR.D]

... It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns.

What are your best guesses why America would sabotage itself by disarming citizens?

 

[hyper24]

I live in Australia, have had my fair share of run ins, been in trouble what not.

And you know what, not once have I EVER been scared of someone with a gun, u know why, cuz ive never ever even seen one pulled. To tell you the truth, ive never even seen a hand gun except for on a cops belt.

And you know how that makes me feel, ****ing safe!

Banning guns is the best thing that could of happened. Period.

Probably only hear on the news once a month about a killing that involved a gun.

And with strict gun laws in place, the amount of illegal guns circulating will only drop over time.

If your big on facts, look at the chances of being killed in america due to a gun related incident compared to australia, youll be surprised that your chances of dieing in America is TEN times more, thats 1000%! so theres some stats for you. So where do you want to live? (look the facts up yourself if you dont believe me (gun deaths vs population for both countries)

 

[Tyler1]

What are your best guesses why America would sabotage itself by disarming citizens?

I think some people just want to give up that freedom to feel safer, they need more gov. control.

I heard the other day that ammo is going to increase 500% in price.

I'd rather have the gov. watch everything I do, set up cameras on every street corner in the USA ,then have them take away my rights.

 

[dpfisher]

I think some people just want to give up that freedom to feel safer, they need more gov. control.

I heard the other day that ammo is going to increase 500% in price.

I'd rather have the gov. watch everything I do, set up cameras on every street corner in the USA ,then have them take away my rights.

That is taking away your rights. Sure the constitution doesn't guarantee a right to privacy in public places but they had no way of knowing we'd have the technology to track everyone's movements when they made it either.

 

[dsade]

I live in Australia, have had my fair share of run ins, been in trouble what not.

And you know what, not once have I EVER been scared of someone with a gun, u know why, cuz ive never ever even seen one pulled. To tell you the truth, ive never even seen a hand gun except for on a cops belt.

And you know how that makes me feel, ****ing safe!

Banning guns is the best thing that could of happened. Period.

Probably only hear on the news once a month about a killing that involved a gun.

And with strict gun laws in place, the amount of illegal guns circulating will only drop over time.

If your big on facts, look at the chances of being killed in america due to a gun related incident compared to australia, youll be surprised that your chances of dieing in America is TEN times more, thats 1000%! so theres some stats for you. So where do you want to live? (look the facts up yourself if you dont believe me (gun deaths vs population for both countries)

Obviously the experience of one person trumps statistics.

Stomping your feet and mashing your eyelids shut also makes opinions true.

 

[Iron Lungz]

My definition of Gun Control is holding it in a fixed primary firing position.

I'll turn my registered guns in if needed. Key word, 'registered.'

 

[mindgame]

My definition of Gun Control is holdong it in a fixed primary firing position.

thats what im talking about!

 

[Iron Lungz]

ok so let me get this straight, you're saying its 10x more likely to die from a gun related incident in America, equaling 1000%? So that means, Austrailia has a 100% death by gun rate. :think:

Wow! Nevermind the dingo's eating everyones baby - watch out for all the gang-bangn' down under!

 

[Kurruptive]

Wow! Nevermind the dingo's eating everyones baby - watch out for all the gang-bangn' down under!

haha, ay enough with the aussie bashing my friend.. that dingo thing most likely never really happened, she probs killed the baby, secondly the dingo is a mere wild dog, like you see on the streets of L.A.

secondly, i live in australia and i like guns. on one hand yes, you feel safe. but on the other, if something was to happen your pretty much fu*ked, a balance in between is needed. i mean sh*t, you can get seven years prison for owning an unlisenced pistol, granted that is the maxium penalty but you can get less for neglegent manslaughter on some occasions.

on another note, that guy must be high. In Sydney there has been like 10 -12 biker drive by shootings in the past fortnight, and two or three gunned murders in the same amount of time.

 

[hyper24]

Obviously you guys arn't too bright in the maths department.

If i have 10 items, and multiply that by 10, I get 100.
1000% more of 10 is also 100. Understand?

Ok i looked up some facts again, Gun related deaths in America for 05, including suicide, homicide and accidents. was 10.26 per 100,000 of population.
The same stat in Australia for same year was 1.68!

Now that means you are 6.1 times more likely to die in America from a gun then in Australia. OR if you want that in percentage terms that's 610% more likely to die from a gun.

Now facts don't lie do they?

So does this not prove that the current state of gun control in Australia makes it 6.1 times SAFER? try and argue that!

 

[Tyler1]

Obviously you guys arn't too bright in the maths department.

If i have 10 items, and multiply that by 10, I get 100.
1000% more of 10 is also 100. Understand?

Ok i looked up some facts again, Gun related deaths in America for 05, including suicide, homicide and accidents. was 10.26 per 100,000 of population.
The same stat in Australia for same year was 1.68!

Now that means you are 6.1 times more likely to die in America from a gun then in Australia. OR if you want that in percentage terms that's 610% more likely to die from a gun.

Now facts don't lie do they?

So does this not prove that the current state of gun control in Australia makes it 6.1 times SAFER? try and argue that!

You can't count suicide or accidents silly.

I wasn't trying to bash on Australia with this post, sorry if it came off like that. If you like the gov. taking that freedopm away, so be it. It's your call.

 

[D3vildog]

I like being able to have my weapons to go hunting, which i do. My family depends on venison in the winter for food. I have been shooting since i was 12. Don't blame the majority of gun users for the irresponsibility of others. Gun control should = Gun education. Not destroying them...

 

[sp33dkillz]

Gun control in Australia, or anywhere in the world for that matter, will work about as good as the controlled substances laws have. Where there's a demand, there will always be a supplier. The U.S. I'm sure has more gun related deaths than Australia, but I think that has less to do with the gun laws, and more to do with the desperation in some of our poorer communities. I'm sure most gun related crimes are commited with unregistered, or stolen guns. As the economy gets worse, and people become more desperate, I think it's increasingly important to have a firearm or two, or 20 in your possession. On that note, Smith & Wesson are currently offering 50 dollar rebates on a lot of their guns. I just picked up a .45 M & P for 430 bucks after rebate!