DreamWeaver
Legend
That does sound good actually... so I'm guessing you don't even bother with fish oil.
Volcom's Optimus PRIME Log
- Thread starter VolcomX311
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That does sound good actually... so I'm guessing you don't even bother with fish oil.
DreamWeaver
Legend
The aggression is different for me I have it but I feel calm and focussed at the same time more of a "don't fug with me or I'll rip your head off kind of thing". Very alpha layed back and confident.. it's a nice feeling.
thundergod
Well-known member
I don't consider these dosages being tossed around as outrageous at all. I would run H-Drol at 150 to 200 mg. per day personally. With other shit! Force Of Green ran it at 225 mg. per day along with other stuff! Poopypants ran Epi @60 mg. and D-Bol @30 mg. per day for 6 weeks. And 2 weeks into PCT his bloodwork was fine! Check out some of my older cycles viking. Just type Thundergod into your AM search.....and look out!!
thundergod
Well-known member
I would bro. In a heartbeart! But I told big Sam earlier that my next (real) cycle will be the Poopypants Epi/D-Bol blowout!! Check out the dosages in my post above.
3clipseGT
On my grind
Yea man id love to run that alongside!!!
snagency
Banned
snagency
Banned
Yeah, I had that going on too.. but at the same time, if somebody did piss me off, I snapped.. but then cooled off just as quickly. Even when I was snapping tho, I had that feel-good, alpha-male thing happening too, just like I was in control & could snap if I felt like it! HAHA!! :nutkick:
Irish Cannon
Legend
Hell ya I'm down...Why not all three of us?!
People are overly cautious with some of these DS that are out. Superdrol/M-drol, M1T, ya that stuff is harsh, but some of these others are extremely mild and can be ran pretty high with little to no sides.
russianstar
Well-known member
I cant wait to watch you guys run some of these compounds and you can all compare gaines etc, sounds like fun!!!
VolcomX311
Legend
You guys could run one giant log, with all three of you posting in the same Psychoticadrol Log. You can name is, "The Hiroshima-Drol Log."
Irish Cannon
Legend
Hahaha. I don't know if a three-person log would work well. I'm already having trouble keeping up with Trauma and PP's two-person.
snagency
Banned
Haha, you got the Japenese element down - that three-headed monster all jacked on DS!
VolcomX311
Legend
Day 3; Somethings Fishy
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I almost feel guilty about posting my results today. I had a third oddly successful day and rather then going into details about the various mediating variables, I'll accredit my overwhelming results today to these top three markers:
#1. 40% due to More "radical" neuromuscular enhancements taking place.
#2. 30% due to new level of acquired LBM in the past 3 months of hypertophic lifting, producing new levels of strength.
#3. 20% due to PRIME
What about diet? Did you have an extremely high carb breakfast that could have provided a substantial amount of energy? No. I ate 3 black sesame cubes, literally, totaling 12g (good) fats, 30g carbs for my PRIME intake, didn't have time for a real breakfast, although I cooked one up. I had to run out the door to get to work on time. This was at 5:45am. I worked out at 8:30am with those same 3 cubes of black sesame. (it's a Chinese snack, we make all type of vegetables, seeds and nuts into snacks)
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Lat Pull Downs - Wide, overhand
250lbs x 10 [way the hell too easy this morning]
290lbs x 10 reps [+20lbs All Time PR]
295lbs x 8 reps [+25lbs All Time PR]
300lbs x 6 reps [+30lbs All Time PR]
[Yeah..... I have no words or rational explanation to justify this. I literally don't know what to say. I almost wanted to intentionally low ball my numbers due to my apprehension to report these gains.]
[Performance Rating: New Waters]
Lat Pull Downs - Close, underhand
250lbs x 10 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
270lbs x 8 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
290lbs x 6 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
[I know... please understand that I'm a grown @$$ man that works at a Law Firm as a paralegal and as a practicing Strength & Conditioning Specialist at a Performance Facility and attending University and serving an internship at an internationally renowned facility for older adult health. I bring this up to emphasize that I have no care or concern about impressing anyone or making some kind of image for myself on an internet board, my life is too busy and too real to be making things up for whatever reason. These are my numbers and it is what it is.
[Performance Rating: Excellent]
Lat Pull Downs - Neutral grip
250lbs x 8 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
250lbs x 7 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
250lbs x 6 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
[Performance Rating: Excellent]
Hammer Lat Pulls
180lbs x 10 reps
200lbs 8 reps
220lbs x 6 reps
[Performance Rating: Average]
Hammer Lat Pull Pulls - Behind The Neck
180lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 10 reps
[Performance Rating: Below Average]
Body Weight Pull Ups
BW x 10 reps
BW x 10 reps
BW x 10 grueling reps
[Performance Rating: Average]
I'm almost hoping that nothing extraordinary happens in my next workout. It's uncharacteristic of me to provide PR numbers, because most of my logs are more volume based then intensity based.
Must Read, Volcom gone socialist for a day.
I want to bring another variable to light. I want to socialize my credit today and spread the wealth of praise. I can't rationalize today's gains. They were major to the point of disbelief, therefore, in my own way to make sense of it, I will socialize my credit.
Immediately prior to this PRIME log, I spent 30 days in a hypertrophy phase with BLUE GENE, I then extended that hypertrophy phase another 30 days, with BLUE GENE + BLUE UP, I then extended that hypertrophy phase another 30 days with White Flood + DTHC/Sunami/Icariin-50. Therefore, PRIME may be a "prime" catalyst for these gains, but I spent plenty of time, tears and toil building a foundation for these new neuromuscular mechanisms to expound upon.
In the natural order of things, I do make subtle weekly gains during a strength phase, but never to this degree. I'm a grown @$$ man with a real and currently irrationally busy life, I have no interests in fabricating anything for an internet board. I feel the need to reiterate this due to the negativity and ambiguity surrounding this product. FOR ME, it has exceeded expectations, though my expectations are rarely, prematurely set that high. I like to take it as it comes (no homo) and go with whatever my results are showing me.
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I almost feel guilty about posting my results today. I had a third oddly successful day and rather then going into details about the various mediating variables, I'll accredit my overwhelming results today to these top three markers:
#1. 40% due to More "radical" neuromuscular enhancements taking place.
#2. 30% due to new level of acquired LBM in the past 3 months of hypertophic lifting, producing new levels of strength.
#3. 20% due to PRIME
What about diet? Did you have an extremely high carb breakfast that could have provided a substantial amount of energy? No. I ate 3 black sesame cubes, literally, totaling 12g (good) fats, 30g carbs for my PRIME intake, didn't have time for a real breakfast, although I cooked one up. I had to run out the door to get to work on time. This was at 5:45am. I worked out at 8:30am with those same 3 cubes of black sesame. (it's a Chinese snack, we make all type of vegetables, seeds and nuts into snacks)
BACK
Lat Pull Downs - Wide, overhand
250lbs x 10 [way the hell too easy this morning]
290lbs x 10 reps [+20lbs All Time PR]
295lbs x 8 reps [+25lbs All Time PR]
300lbs x 6 reps [+30lbs All Time PR]
[Yeah..... I have no words or rational explanation to justify this. I literally don't know what to say. I almost wanted to intentionally low ball my numbers due to my apprehension to report these gains.]
[Performance Rating: New Waters]
Lat Pull Downs - Close, underhand
250lbs x 10 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
270lbs x 8 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
290lbs x 6 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
[I know... please understand that I'm a grown @$$ man that works at a Law Firm as a paralegal and as a practicing Strength & Conditioning Specialist at a Performance Facility and attending University and serving an internship at an internationally renowned facility for older adult health. I bring this up to emphasize that I have no care or concern about impressing anyone or making some kind of image for myself on an internet board, my life is too busy and too real to be making things up for whatever reason. These are my numbers and it is what it is.
[Performance Rating: Excellent]
Lat Pull Downs - Neutral grip
250lbs x 8 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
250lbs x 7 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
250lbs x 6 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
[Performance Rating: Excellent]
Hammer Lat Pulls
180lbs x 10 reps
200lbs 8 reps
220lbs x 6 reps
[Performance Rating: Average]
Hammer Lat Pull Pulls - Behind The Neck
180lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 10 reps
[Performance Rating: Below Average]
Body Weight Pull Ups
BW x 10 reps
BW x 10 reps
BW x 10 grueling reps
[Performance Rating: Average]
I'm almost hoping that nothing extraordinary happens in my next workout. It's uncharacteristic of me to provide PR numbers, because most of my logs are more volume based then intensity based.
Must Read, Volcom gone socialist for a day.
I want to bring another variable to light. I want to socialize my credit today and spread the wealth of praise. I can't rationalize today's gains. They were major to the point of disbelief, therefore, in my own way to make sense of it, I will socialize my credit.
Immediately prior to this PRIME log, I spent 30 days in a hypertrophy phase with BLUE GENE, I then extended that hypertrophy phase another 30 days, with BLUE GENE + BLUE UP, I then extended that hypertrophy phase another 30 days with White Flood + DTHC/Sunami/Icariin-50. Therefore, PRIME may be a "prime" catalyst for these gains, but I spent plenty of time, tears and toil building a foundation for these new neuromuscular mechanisms to expound upon.
In the natural order of things, I do make subtle weekly gains during a strength phase, but never to this degree. I'm a grown @$$ man with a real and currently irrationally busy life, I have no interests in fabricating anything for an internet board. I feel the need to reiterate this due to the negativity and ambiguity surrounding this product. FOR ME, it has exceeded expectations, though my expectations are rarely, prematurely set that high. I like to take it as it comes (no homo) and go with whatever my results are showing me.
VolcomX311
Legend
All this Drol talk is making me Drool. I feel like I'm responding in an unnatural and hypersensitive way to PRIME. Depending on how week 2 and 3 goes, I might be content with PRIME as oppose to my premeditated H-drol, but I may consider other, more exciting avenues, depending.
I've always wanted to try something SERM worthy, maybe I'll have outrageous results with H-drol if I'm responding this well to PRIME. I have mentioned a few times that I responded abnormally well to JW and 3-AD, both of which are universal gray listers, but I never saw results until day 7-10'ish. PRIME has set in, literally, almost fallaciously and unbelievably fast, which makes me scratch my head. This doesn't seem natural.
I've always wanted to try something SERM worthy, maybe I'll have outrageous results with H-drol if I'm responding this well to PRIME. I have mentioned a few times that I responded abnormally well to JW and 3-AD, both of which are universal gray listers, but I never saw results until day 7-10'ish. PRIME has set in, literally, almost fallaciously and unbelievably fast, which makes me scratch my head. This doesn't seem natural.
DreamWeaver
Legend
I think you might just be a super responder, there was another guy who had similar results very early on Prime... Anyway it's a nice problem to have...
VolcomX311
Legend
Honestly, I feel a little bad. I've never had an "outrageous log" before. I've had successful ones, but not ones that make me question and second guess myself so much, due to the degree of the outlandishness. We'll see how next week goes. Perhaps I spoke too soon when I mentioned that the "radical" neuromuscular adjustments had already taken place. :think:
VolcomX311
Legend
I actually "started" about 3 weeks ago, but not full on. I would still hit the high numbers, 15+ reps and build up to 6-7 working sets, but my reps would drop as low as 6 reps by the end of the 6-7 sets, so it was an on the fence sort of thing. I progressively inclined toward heavier and heavier weights and less and less reps and sets as those 3 weeks wound down, which is why I thought I had made my "major" jumps already.
VolcomX311
Legend
I started going "heavier" once I introduced the DTHC/Sunami/Icariin-50 in my White Flood CAPS log, but I was still doing the 4-6 sets avg., and my reps were 15-8, sometimes as low as 6. It was the two or three weeks post White Flood log that I really nailed down to the 10-6 reps, 3 sets, heavy, heavy routine.
DreamWeaver
Legend
What I find intriging though is the fact that you set some pretty agressive baselines and still your experiencing good jumps in strength... Yah next week is going to be interesting.
VolcomX311
Legend
Sam, your seeing results, period. Stop being a 'doubting Thomas' (no poke at you there Viking! :stickand just enjoy this ride! You're making me dizzy with all this second-guessing & rationalization of yourself!! :duel:
I'll do my best
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but no promises.
snagency
Banned
VolcomX311
Legend
You and me both. I feel like I'm skewing the bell curve in an unnatural manner.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Sam, your seeing results, period. Stop being a 'doubting Thomas' (no poke at you there Viking! :stick
Honestly, what Sam is expressing is pretty common! I have probably had double the amount of people express their thoughts about PRIME privately as opposed to publicly; unfortunately, the stigma built around PRIME seems to be causing many people to hesitate attributing any success they (if they have any) to the product. In my opinion, that is equally as unfortunate as individuals expressing biased positive results.
I feel PRIME is a fascinating compound, and I wish the results could come to fruition in a more accepting environment - on both sides of the spectrum.
Irish Cannon
Legend
I think all of that will come in time, Mullet.
thundergod
Well-known member
You are going to be the subject of some anonymous section discussion. Get used to it. Or don't even go there and read that shit. Like I choose to do. I believe all of your recorded poundages Sam. Why would you lie to a bunch of strangers on an internet forum? Why would anyone? What satisfaction could that kind of behaviour give a person anyway?
I'm very excited and happy for you that you're starting off so well with this PRIME run. I understand your almost not wanting to record the true poundage increases as they are hard for even yourself to comprehend. But record them anyway bro. For the rest of us. Especially for those of us who do believe you.
Keep pouring all of your effort into your training (as I know you will) and I truly believe that the PRIME won't let you down. It hasn't yet.
Keep on keeping on big Sam!! :thumbsup:
thundergod
Well-known member
Well said, Mullet. Or well written. But still, bravo Mullet! :clap2:
Since I have nothing to gain nor lose from stating my opinion, I will say this. PRIME worked for me. Not only did it work, but it did so outstandingly well.
Fuck the haters!! :smite:
DreamWeaver
Legend
I am glad someone has finally brought this up, all the negative atmosphere makes it hard for some to come forward...I mean I have difficulty sometimes myself. I feel the negative preasure but fortunately I do not give a fug about what some naysayer on the web feels about my opinion. I mean being honest goes both ways doesn't it. I should be able to post my positive experiences as well as any honest negative ones. Why do some trust negative feedback more than positive.
The problem is that there is cliques on these boards that hold negative attitude in high regard. The truth will come out in the end though.
DreamWeaver
Legend
That's what I'm talkin about!!
thundergod
Well-known member
DW, I believe the problem is, that most people are just plain negative. Period. And I have no time nor energy to waste on such sad individuals.
snagency
Banned
Succinctly put TG. Unfortunately, we live in a very negative society in general.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Tell me about it. It seems the more successful you are the less popular your become. Not all people are negative but it does seem to be the norm. I have completely lost the ability to empower myself through negative stimulii. Negative people are unaware that this is what there doing... using negativity to empower themselves... awareness puts a stop to that.
VolcomX311
Legend
haha, I've always wondered that. If or when that becomes the case and if for whatever reason I feel the need to defend myself, I HAVE VIDEOS!! Apart from that, eh. You haven't made it at AM until you've made the Anonymous Hate List :thumbsup:
Actually, that's not true, i can't see Strategic ever being on that list, even though he may be the most ubiquitous members on AM.
snagency
Banned
DreamWeaver
Legend
Let us know...
VolcomX311
Legend
True, true and very true. There has been an intentional effort to tame my enthusiasm since day one. However, although my subjective opinions have been toned down, my results speak for themselves.
VolcomX311
Legend
Thanks Fastone, and I appreciate the drop in :cheers:
VolcomX311
Legend
I'm surprised Mullet hasn't chimed in with his questionable Canadian dictionary :stick:
u·biq·ui·tous: Being or seeming to be everywhere at the same time.
and knowing is half the battle.
VolcomX311
Legend
You'll be good to know that you're among some of the most positive and supportive members at AM here. Questions aren't fueled with intentional harm or personal attacks and disagreements aren't met with arrogance or animosity. Nice to have you aboard :cheers:
Mullet is a bit of an acquired taste, but he's a good guy :stick: (you of course already know this).
DreamWeaver
Legend
Being on at hate list of someone who has to use an Anonymous persona to ridicule you is something that you can take pride in. If an azzhole hates you that much you must be remarkable.
VolcomX311
Legend
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snagency
Banned
Well sure -- cuz Mullet tells us so.. :whip:
Rambling for a minute: just did a little Christmas shopping on the supp front, picked up some Methyl 1D XL 135 count (for my brother - he loves this stuff); Muscle Milk 4.94 lb. tub (cookies & cream for the wife - only protein she grooves on); and some Monster Milk for me (I'm really grooving on the chocolate flavor right now, in my post w/o mix), all for 100 bones out the door, from my buddy's shop. Thought I did some good shopping!
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Meh, luckily my job description does not entail popularity. As long as people know what our products do, I could care less who likes me (no offense to anybody here).
Irish Cannon
Legend
Rambling for a minute: just did a little Christmas shopping on the supp front, picked up some Methyl 1D XL 135 count (for my brother - he loves this stuff); Muscle Milk 4.94 lb. tub (cookies & cream for the wife - only protein she grooves on); and some Monster Milk for me (I'm really grooving on the chocolate flavor right now, in my post w/o mix), all for 100 bones out the door, from my buddy's shop. Thought I did some good shopping!
Nice, man!
I never looked into Methyl 1D, but I probably should...or maybe I shouldn't. It appears I've already agreed to Viking's proposal of MMV2/H-drol, so that's enough for me...or is it? :twisted:
snagency
Banned
Ah wth, throw some Methyl 1D in the mix too -- go all out dude!
Nah, just for the record I will take a neutral stance on the PH issue, as it is not my area of expertise. My brother runs MMV2 with the Methyl 1D, says he likes the results he gets. I got him running Prime right now, and I think he's running 6-OXO along with it or something like that, but he's grooving on the Prime, says he's running around flexing all the time.. He was talking about running Prime along with that LG stack.. mega-dosing runs in the family, haha..
Nah, just for the record I will take a neutral stance on the PH issue, as it is not my area of expertise. My brother runs MMV2 with the Methyl 1D, says he likes the results he gets. I got him running Prime right now, and I think he's running 6-OXO along with it or something like that, but he's grooving on the Prime, says he's running around flexing all the time.. He was talking about running Prime along with that LG stack.. mega-dosing runs in the family, haha..
Irish Cannon
Legend
Prime + 6-OXO sounds nice.
He was talking about running Prime with MMV2/M1D? Wouldn't the Prime be better in PCT?
He was talking about running Prime with MMV2/M1D? Wouldn't the Prime be better in PCT?
snagency
Banned
Well, if you intended that for that said purpose, then yes. But imo, Prime is versatile enough to be used in conjunction with a mild prohormone and would only boost the effects..
snagency
Banned
Mullet! That's national copyright infringement man -- we got the patent on that word for another two yrs., you can't use that word in Canada yet! :nono: