bslick69b
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i just apologized to you and the the others!..you still feel that way?
Yet another Prime dissapointment
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slow-mun
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Just ignore this, Sir! Let's look forward to some productive discussion here.
Slow-mun, your turn!
Its always my turn:whip:.
MrTexas1982
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Come on dude, I never felt the negativity once. I just thought of it as an entertaining conversation between bros. But I too apologize, and to prove how sorry I am, I'm going to run a 2 month SD cycle with no PCT. Hows that. :drunk:
strategicmove
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bslick69b
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no!..lol..dont do that bro!..send it to me i'll do it!..lol..!:drunk:
thats cool,right on texas!..:djparty:..about no p.c.t! i know thats a joke!..right?..lol..!
Force of Green
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I have talked to (phone, PMs, email) to several people who have used Prime and the results I have heard from others are the most mixed results that I've ever heard from a product. I got 4 free Primes and I haven't used them, but I sold 1 and gave 3 away. A few people I've spoken to/communicated with are some that ran Prime because they were either doing a sponsored log, or it was someone that was a Prime disbeliever and was sent a free bottle. When I was a rep for USP for a short time, I remember that the one guy I talked to who writes for USP Labs was like, "dude, this stuff is the supplement to end all supplements! I don't even want to train without it! It'll never be the same! My workouts suck now that I'm out!" And I was pretty damn stoked... but what I've heard about it is....
1 person who actually, publicly gave a favorable review, said it was worthless....
1 person who thought it was working kept using it and realized that the placebo wore off after his first couple weeks. He still uses it in hopes that it will work at 9 caps per day. I jokingly told him to just save the 80 dollars per month for his little 'Prime experiment' and join one of those celebrity gyms for that money.
1 woman whom I sold a bottle to says that her workouts seem to be better. That's definitely not bad... I actually felt bad for her, because her tone indicated that she was telling me that to please me. I gave her a bottle free and told her to keep on trying and that maybe something will happen?
Another person who got a free bottle says that it's not bad. There was no elaboration on it, so I assume that it was 'not bad'.
I read a lot of the sponsored logs and I see that some people like Bioman and Poopy are having a grand ole time with it...
MOD EDIT: Or you could lose it for being a dvck.
P-Slin is definitely nice and I wish Mullet would give me the P-Slin he promised
1 person who actually, publicly gave a favorable review, said it was worthless....
1 person who thought it was working kept using it and realized that the placebo wore off after his first couple weeks. He still uses it in hopes that it will work at 9 caps per day. I jokingly told him to just save the 80 dollars per month for his little 'Prime experiment' and join one of those celebrity gyms for that money.
1 woman whom I sold a bottle to says that her workouts seem to be better. That's definitely not bad... I actually felt bad for her, because her tone indicated that she was telling me that to please me. I gave her a bottle free and told her to keep on trying and that maybe something will happen?
Another person who got a free bottle says that it's not bad. There was no elaboration on it, so I assume that it was 'not bad'.
I read a lot of the sponsored logs and I see that some people like Bioman and Poopy are having a grand ole time with it...
MOD EDIT: Or you could lose it for being a dvck.
P-Slin is definitely nice and I wish Mullet would give me the P-Slin he promised
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
P-Slin is definitely nice and I wish Mullet would give me the P-Slin he promised
Definitely! Unfortunately, you decided to sell that S you promised to trade!
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
I have talked to (phone, PMs, email) to several people who have used Prime and the results I have heard from others are the most mixed results that I've ever heard from a product. I got 4 free Primes and I haven't used them, but I sold 1 and gave 3 away. A few people I've spoken to/communicated with are some that ran Prime because they were either doing a sponsored log, or it was someone that was a Prime disbeliever and was sent a free bottle. When I was a rep for USP for a short time, I remember that the one guy I talked to who writes for USP Labs was like, "dude, this stuff is the supplement to end all supplements! I don't even want to train without it! It'll never be the same! My workouts suck now that I'm out!" And I was pretty damn stoked... but what I've heard about it is....
1 person who actually, publicly gave a favorable review, said it was worthless....
1 person who thought it was working kept using it and realized that the placebo wore off after his first couple weeks. He still uses it in hopes that it will work at 9 caps per day. I jokingly told him to just save the 80 dollars per month for his little 'Prime experiment' and join one of those celebrity gyms for that money.
1 woman whom I sold a bottle to says that her workouts seem to be better. That's definitely not bad... I actually felt bad for her, because her tone indicated that she was telling me that to please me. I gave her a bottle free and told her to keep on trying and that maybe something will happen?
Another person who got a free bottle says that it's not bad. There was no elaboration on it, so I assume that it was 'not bad'.
I read a lot of the sponsored logs and I see that some people like Bioman and Poopy are having a grand ole time with it...
P-Slin is definitely nice and I wish Mullet would give me the P-Slin he promised
Just to clear up some confusion here, Kyle, none of those logs were sponsored. Maybe you and I are using the term 'sponsored' differently, though. I take sponsored to mean, "Here is a bottle of product 'X', please complete a log detailing your experience with the product'. If that is the agreed definition, there are no sponsored PRIME logs. I know of individuals whom won PRIME through lotteries and so forth, but there was never any encouragement to do logs, nor any mention that product would follow after. Simply want to ensure we are on the same page, here.
Force of Green
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Good deal Mullet!
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Is that the sense you were using the word, though? I just want to make sure this conversation is clear, so that the users who have given honest feedback (positive or negative) are not unfairly characterized.
It would be unfortunate if every negative review is identified as being a 'hater', or something similar, while every positive review is identified as 'biased'. At the moment, I think the diversity of opinions are a positive thing, as long as each type of opinion is judged without pretense.
I have seen certain individuals run very detailed logs, who have unfortunately not seen adequate results. Steveoph being one of these individuals. On the other hand, I have seen several individuals claim that PRIME is the best P.C.T., product they have ever used. I will refrain from mentioning their names and/or providing links, as that may be seen as manipulating their commentary for my purposes. With this being said, I happen to see the response in logs being positive in the majority.
Force of Green
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Originally Posted by Force of GreenDefinitely! Unfortunately, you decided to sell that S you promised to trade!
I am using today as a recovery day and I may do some abs and cardio later.
I got my USP Labs package today and was quite impressed with the amount of product I have gotten.
Hopefully everyone's day is going good so far.
This was your posting on 9/16/08 in my log Mullet. This was before I even ordered the S4 :
You can see it for yourself at this link:
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I'm not trying to cause a ruckus, but you PMed me after the whole rep position fiasco and said that you'd hook me up with P-Slin. You disappeared for a while. I got word from JR that you were interested in S4, so I offered to trade it for more P-Slins since you weren't answering your PMs. The S4 got your attention really fast. Then you disappeared for a little while again and I traded the S4 to someone else.
Anyhow, I PMed you before and said that if you don't want to hold up to your word, it's no problem and I'll leave it be. However, you changed things around and used the deal that we never even agreed on to dismiss what you offered before.
Again Mullet, your offer was made before I even had the oppurtunity to put in the order for S4.
It's a very minute thing, but you're the 'head honcho' of the board and I think that you could either follow through with what you said, or say you're sorry and put it aside.
Force of Green
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Atleast there haven't been any bad sides reported with Prime. So far it's got a good safety profile. In that sense, it's a steroid-killer.
Mulletsoldier
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Kyle, it is disappointing you continue to bring issues up publicly.
To clarify, I offered you the P-Slin, that is undeniable. I informed you that it would need to wait until I received my package. In the interim, you offered to trade your S4 - I took this to mean, instead of receiving free product, I will trade you. I then contacted you, alerting you that my P-Slin had come in; in turn, you informed me that you had sold the S4 you planned on trading, yet still requested free product. Assuming the trade had been cancelled, I sold my P-Slin in the same manner. How do you take offense to this? I am confused.
This is a more accurate account, agreed?
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why is it hype? How is it Hype? When many are reporting exactly what the advertisement reads.
Just because it does not work for you does not mean its hype just means it did not work for you.
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Go through the logs and prove the 50/50 split you speak about.
I say logs because it has been discovered that many company REPS are posting fake reports on AM...
Go through the logs and prove the 50/50 split.
Force of Green
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Mullet, this isn't worth losing my AM account over my dearest friend.
A deal was NEVER agreed on. I tried actually doing you a favor (and also trying to get your attention, because it was long after you recieved your new package). S4 is only available through a couple underground sources (probably 1) and it's now unavailable. I wanted to get rid of it so I offered a trade for some P-Slins. You didn't bother writing back... and you know how persistent I can be sometimes. A deal was NEVER made and you dropped the ball when I asked how many P-Slin you wanted to trade for it. I never said, "hey Mullet, screw the free P-Slin! Let me give you 250 dollars of research chems for it!" lol. A deal wasn't even half-way solidified.... It was never even figured out.
Anyhow, a few times I asked about it and you said, "next package bro..." and now you alleviate yourself entirely.
We can take it to PMs, Mullet... Though I think I can see why USP Labs uses you for damage control on the message boards. LOL!
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FOG,
Either cool it with your bullshit insinuations about people getting banned for negative opinions or get lost. You have been banned 3 times for basically being a complete ahole to people not to mention some of the complaints I've had about you in the past. I could care less what you say about any company but your tired act of blaming everyone else or rules you simply can't abide by is getting old.
Either cool it with your bullshit insinuations about people getting banned for negative opinions or get lost. You have been banned 3 times for basically being a complete ahole to people not to mention some of the complaints I've had about you in the past. I could care less what you say about any company but your tired act of blaming everyone else or rules you simply can't abide by is getting old.
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PM administration of this board and ask this question"
"Admin has there been NUMEROUS reports of IPs being tracked to other company reps that opened a shill account to attack USPlabs"
Mulletsoldier
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Ah, well, if you feel the need to degenerate into subtle insults and insinuations, than your point is not well-served. In fact, I asked you: "How many P-Slins do you feel is fair". And, unfortunately, you never responded. This is increasingly disappointing and juvenile and, I feel attempting to respond to this maturely is irrelevant.
You have an obvious need for affection, and for approval; in seeking this, you will in kind seek to make me appear inimicable - so be it. It is not I who publicly created an argument utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand, it was you. In making yourself appear free of responsibility for a completely amicable situation, one in which I merely carried out the same actions as yourself, you may choose an alternat avenue. Again, disappointed, though.
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Definitely! Unfortunately, you decided to sell that S you promised to trade!
He is just better ignored.
Force of Green
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Ok, I gotcha.
MrTexas1982
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Dude I use your products faithfully, Why do you guys attack like this. Based on everything I read here, and other boards, the majority of opinions i've seen on prime are negative. By saying 50/50 i was giving you guys favor. Like the log were in, its from a non responder. The annon section is (was anyway) full of non responders. From what I've read, the same 4 or 5 guys jump in on every "non responders" PRIME thread and say it worked as advertised, an that the user did something wrong. You guys act like bullies when it comes to your products. Sad because like i said, i like them, even though they don't live up to the outrageous claims in your advertising.
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Where is the attack? I'm asking you to validate your writing.
I'm finding this pattern from people attacking PRIME that all of sudden are faithful USPlabs consumers(oddly enought they all have about 30 post on these boards). I hate your advertising. I hate you. I hate PRIME, but I use your products faithfully. Sorry if I'm missing the logic.
This is your opinion. I have a guy whoes opinion is that it does. Who is right you or him or could it be that results vary?
Look at the logs not the responses from Phantom users that provide one liners.
MrTexas1982
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Dude, really whats the difference between a log and a phantom response from a user that provides a one liner? My only reason for ever posting in this thread was because a guy was refering to how the "Experienced" people he knows got gains, implying that the OP did something wrong, which seems like the attack method when the Supps don't work. Look dudes, I like your products, I just don't like the attacks when someone says it didn't work for them.
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suncloud
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unfortunately, when one of the mods said "you'd be amazed to know who's posting in this thread", it implies that other company reps are starting threads to bash a competitor. hence why all those threads have been deleted. anon section obviously.
Hank Vangut
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who cares what the logs say.
who cares what the feedback is.
it only matters if it works for you. no one else should matter.
buy it and try it!
and if you are afraid of disappointment......don't buy any supplements ever.
who cares what the feedback is.
it only matters if it works for you. no one else should matter.
buy it and try it!
and if you are afraid of disappointment......don't buy any supplements ever.
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strategicmove
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No one is bullying or attacking. That is not the impression we intend to give. USPLabs, as a company, always welcomes honest feedback from users. Always. The frustration we sometimes experience is that some individuals drop negative comments about USPLabs products, either without having tried them, or because of their affiliations to other companies. Negative feedback is welcome, but understandably, only from those that have used the respective products long enough. Add to that the situation that most of the positive comments on PRIME, for instance, are regarded as "biased", while the negative ones are regarded as "honest". More like, every which way you lose!
USPLabs tries to introduce innovative products, after careful beta-testing. While it recognizes that these products, despite their innovation and efficacy, may not work for everyone, it is still frustrating to absorb all the harsh comments from some contributors that may not have even bothered to try the product(s).
strategicmove
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MrTexas1982
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Dude that sucks, you totally misrepresented me here, I wasn't attacking prime. And why don't you show me all the logs/and post that say the % is different.
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My apologies!
The real situation is that it has been proven that companies are creating SHILL names and using their respected board names to attack us.
We are on the defensive and it has started with Recreate and has continued with PRIME. From attacks on the boards to fake reveiws at Nutraplanet.
I've always stood by my word at USPLabs and have GIVEN countless free Product away to the skeptics. I have supreme confidence in the product.
When you have companies and individuals taking time out of their lives to attack a supplement company is a sorry scenario. Have you ever Seen a USPlabs rep attack another company. Nope, we are only concerned with personal growth and progress.
I just do not understand the toxic behavior of shilling. We can expect that from followers, but they should evaluate their priorities in life.
Are these boards biased anymore?
strategicmove
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Usually, the onus is on you to prove your statement (50/50)!
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If you say numbers it should be in your hands to support it...basic.
B5150
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When someone claims it didn't work then blames their choice on "the hype" it suggests that the product was forced upon them and their money was taken from them against their will. Some may see that as an attack on the company.
The "experienced" members (implies 30-40-50yo) here have seen newbie kids and young men who are clueless in regards to diet and training. The major majority on this board are clueless in matters of diet and training regardless of what you would like to believe. More times then not they have tremendous flaws in both areas and yet expect "the product" of choice to reward them somehow and when it does not they blame the product and "the hype".
A statement like "Before you ask me my diet and workout are effectively designed" is worthless and has been discerned here as such time and time again.
EDIT: Misinformed statement
Mulletsoldier
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bslick69b
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crazyyoungn,started this thread!
B5150
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you are right. I edited my post. He was just a participant.
bslick69b
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:jaw:..lol..!
Force of Green
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Bslick, up to 31500+ rep points today. Note taken.
suncloud
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brian -
sometimes that scares me, with this talk of multiple accounts.
i think you bring up great points with diet and training though. too many people think its the magic pill, while they're on the brink of overtraining, the edge of undereating, or a routine that got stale 2 months ago.
your input as a board member is good, but you're the only MOD that addresses these issues. keep up the good work, and your insight.
sometimes that scares me, with this talk of multiple accounts.
i think you bring up great points with diet and training though. too many people think its the magic pill, while they're on the brink of overtraining, the edge of undereating, or a routine that got stale 2 months ago.
your input as a board member is good, but you're the only MOD that addresses these issues. keep up the good work, and your insight.
bslick69b
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my nephew has his own a.m account with 158 reps! and he never repped! me once!..so multiple accounts repping is not a factor!..earned my reps the old fashioned way thank you!
suncloud
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not implying you, or saying anything like that. i saw a different name in a link than the OP, and i thought THEY had two accounts, much like some of the reps that were bashing USPL have had. in fact, one of the reps has been suspiciously absent, since around the time of the prime bashing. not that i believe in conspiracy theories, but its an amazing coincidence
Mulletsoldier
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not implying you, or saying anything like that. i saw a different name in a link than the OP, and i thought THEY had two accounts, much like some of the reps that were bashing USPL have had. in fact, one of the reps has been suspiciously absent, since around the time of the prime bashing. not that i believe in conspiracy theories, but its an amazing coincidence
It is very unfortunate that these reps choose to do this. I honestly do not feel that the companies themselves encouraged this behavior, though; merely individual jealousy-induced hate.
The fact is, though, three of those Anonymous PRIME-hate threads were unequivocally linked to other reps. Their identities were never revealed, and I never requested that they be. I feel that, in time, they will feel childish and foolish enough on their own without public humiliation.
What is very consoling, though, is that none of our reps feel the need to create anonymous threads about other companies. There is a reason why.
VolcomX311
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Now THAT, comes from true experience. I hear ya on that.
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