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15 mg of geranium worth taking?

TexasLifter89 said:
in combination with 4 mg of arginine and 45 Mg gurana seed extract
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4mg argine???haha, that wont do anything

i think this will be too little

Sublatimine is great,have u tried it?

id do sublatamine, germaniame, and a caffiene source being coffe,yerbe mate or green tea,

guarana is pretty useless its just caffiene

coffe has cholergenic acid

green tea has l-theanine

yerbe mate has mattiene instead of caffiene

What did u want to get out of this though?
 
i just wanted to talk about caffeine sources a bit if u dont mind

the chloregnic acid in coffee lessens the damage to the heart.

l-theanine in green tea, provides anti-overstimulation

yerbe mate is a great caffiene source,From reports of personal experience with maté, its physiological effects are similar to (yet distinct from) more widespread caffeinated beverages like coffee, tea, or guarana drinks. Users report a mental state of wakefulness, focus and alertness reminiscent of most stimulants, but often remark on maté's unique lack of the negative effects typically created by other such compounds, such as anxiety, diarrhea, "jitteriness", and heart palpitations.

caffiene anhydrous does the most damages source for the heart.
 
yeah i meant 4 G of arginine.

i think im going to do:

GUARANA SEED EXTRACT 475 MG N/A
RHODIOLA ROSEA ROOT 300 MG N/A
1,3 - DIMETHYLAMYLAMINE 35 MG N/A
CITRULLINE MALATE 1000 MG N/A
 
creatine a pre-wo, adaptogen type deal. Im keeping it at under 4 caps per serving. I tried dosing in some 4G or arginine and it bumped up to 6 caps. so no go there. looking into trying some black colash for vasodialtion purposes
 
here is what i plan on doing:

GUARANA SEED EXTRACT 475 MG
RHODIOLA ROSEA ROOT 300 MG
1,3 - DIMETHYLAMYLAMINE 35 MG
CITRULLINE MALATE 1000 MG
PHENYLETHYLAMINE HYDROCHLORIDE 200 MG N/A
 
TexasLifter89 said:
problem is CM takes up lots of caps. so if i put that much it takes my serving size higher than i want it to be
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r u capping yourself?

ive capped over 1000 pills of stuff and guess i just kind gave up on it. Any bulk now i get,mix it with some powdered gatorade or fruit juice and chug it down.

CM is like the king of pumps for me, anytime i drink xtend, i always get pumped, no matter the time of day, its great.
 
thebigt said:
i like 3 gm. cm goes great with ba/creatine.
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yeah the more citruline malate the better, id take cm over plain arginine any day.

ive heard some guys doing anywhere from 6-12 grams a day. pretty high, but they said it was very effective.

id say 3 grams is an ideal dose.

One non workout day take 3 caps of of 1g each and on workout days take all three caps before the workout.

yeah and adding beta alanine and creatine is a very good idea, but i think u always take these,no?
 
I always take Beta alanine and usually creatine. Take a month off every now and then. And CM i am a big fan of huge dosing. it can do nice things. And yes i cap myself. I make mostly my own stuff now other than AN stuff. Im making this all in caps so that will put me at between6 6-8 caps just at around 3000mg i believe of CM... too much for me per serving
 
How about substituting the guarana for some tyrosine ? I think that would give you a better stim effect for the combo you wanna make.
 
ari4216 said:
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yerbe mate has mattiene instead of caffiene

What did u want to get out of this though?
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Sorry to threadjack (I agree with your recommendations, especially for Sulbutiamine)...

What do you notice from Yerba Mate? I am actually looking to try this out, as the reports from natives I see rave about it.
 
dsade said:
Sorry to threadjack (I agree with your recommendations, especially for Sulbutiamine)...

What do you notice from Yerba Mate? I am actually looking to try this out, as the reports from natives I see rave about it.
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It the most different in type of feelings it causes compared to tea and coffe, those are pretty similar.
i could drink a lot without feeling stimulated, its a relaxing drink.

Recently,i read on wikipedia,(yeah, i know) that the reasoning behind this is a compound that has recently been identified is a powerful MAO inhibitor."An August 11, 2005, United States patent application (documents #20050176777, #20030185908,[24] and #20020054926) cites yerba maté extract as a monoamine oxidase inhibitor; the maximal inhibition observed in vitro was 40–50%. MAOIs being antidepressants, there is speculation that this may contribute to the calming effect of yerba maté.[citation needed]
In addition, it has been noted by the U.S. Army Center for Health Promotion and Preventive Medicine that yerba maté can cause high blood pressure when used in conjunction with other MAO inhibitors (such as Nardil and Parnate).[25]"

So in essence yerbe mate is a good anti-depressent.
In small doses it gives me good energy, in higher doses i found the effects to almost being some sort of a "high" per say.

Wisdom Natural Brands Instant Yerba Mate is great because you dont have to boil hot water all the time and its easy to experiment with dosing and its cheap

Flavor:its very grassy, i like it though, if you like tea in general,id think most would like the taste. the instant tea is not as good as fresh brewed though.

So go to you local niche herb shope and pick a few different yerbe mate tea brands to test them out.

additional to all of this, maybe it has benefit for bodybuilders, but im just guessing on this.
Emerging research also shows that yerba maté preparations can alter the concentration of members of the ecto-nucleoside triphosphate diphosphohydrolase (E-NTPDase) family, resulting in an elevated level of extracellular ATP, ADP, and AMP. This was found with chronic ingestion (15 days) of an aqueous yerba extract, and might lead to a novel mechanism for manipulation of vascular regenerative factors, i.e., treating heart disease
 
That would be interesting to spike a Yerba Mate drink with PEA.
 
Plus about capsules versus drinking in general with most supplements, there is something to, the body either sensing the incoming substance and preparing for it, or the mucul membranes managing to get some of the substance before it gets to the stomach.

everything ive tried liquid vs capsule,liquid always works better or faster. I always take liquid benadryl over capsules when i need it. Powder-preworkout mixes always work better than capsuled ones, (but this is not such a good example because usually powdered pre-workout mixes contained more ingrediants than capsules)

But get my drift?
 
but dsade what u think about

this specifically,resulting in an elevated level of extracellular ATP, ADP, and AMP.

we know that creatine increases ATP which increases stregnth, so could u see any connection that yerbe mate could have a postive effect on bodybuilding?
 
ari4216 said:
but dsade what u think about

this specifically,resulting in an elevated level of extracellular ATP, ADP, and AMP.

we know that creatine increases ATP which increases stregnth, so could u see any connection that yerbe mate could have a postive effect on bodybuilding?
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Very possibly it could.
 
15 mg of geranium worth taking?
Isn't that some kind of flower?
Maybe try 25mg of pansies...
:trout:
 
dsade said:
That would be interesting to spike a Yerba Mate drink with PEA.
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Blast contains both I believe. Not sure on amount per serving, but I've double and triple dosed it, and it's great stuff. Seems much harder to overdose than other stimulants, and at higher doses I've noticed some euphoria. There is also glucoronolactone, Theobromine, and white willow bark in there, so I'm not sure what role the play in the effects.
 
LT* said:
Blast contains both I believe. Not sure on amount per serving, but I've double and triple dosed it, and it's great stuff. Seems much harder to overdose than other stimulants, and at higher doses I've noticed some euphoria. There is also glucoronolactone, Theobromine, and white willow bark in there, so I'm not sure what role the play in the effects.
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What brand?
 
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