the funny thing is I see all these post over at AM with people saying "oh I get better results from superpump."JP8 gives you crazy focus, then the endurance kicks in. Just read around, and yes, I feel as do others that it stacks very well with DTH. I haven't used anything yet that has given me that laser-like focus.
Go R4W, DTH, sunamiThanks guys. Chuck, will ready4war stack with dth, dt2010, and sunami as well as jp8?
Current max lifts:
Parallel Squat 10x310 lbs
Deadlift 1x375 lbs
Clean&Press 5x130 lbs
muscle hardness and the way my body looks seems better on 5, but I dont know at this point if thats the increased dose or just gains that just keep coming![]()
Lookin kinda thick there bro!! Nice!Stack update:
I've added some things (new stuff in bold):
2 x Diesel Test Hardcore
5 x Sunami
1 x Diesel Test 2010 (in transit)
1 x JP8
1 x NOS ETHER
3 tubs Primoridal performance Toco-8 (vitamin E thingy)
3 tubs Primordial performance Endoamp (Phosphatidylserine)
2 bottles PGHt (growth hormone precursor)
RPN stuff, virile mane, flawless, java lather, banish (in transit)
Applied Neutricals Osteo (joint support)(in transit)
Bulk Fishoil
2 x NOW Astaxantin
1 x NOW Saw Palmetto
4 tubs Xtend
Damn and I wanted to keep it basic :S
I've tried Superpump, and I liked it better than everything else, until I tired JP8, it beats it hands down. Not just saying that, it's a fact for me. The thing that sets JP8 apart is the focus. The endurance kicks in for me later, but nothing gives me that Laser-like focus.
I'm anxiously waiting for my bottle of DTH and can't wait to try it. Here is my question, since DTH increases testosterone, can it actually assist in buring body fat?
I'm anxiously waiting for my bottle of DTH and can't wait to try it. Here is my question, since DTH increases testosterone, can it actually assist in buring body fat?
I'm anxiously waiting for my bottle of DTH and can't wait to try it. Here is my question, since DTH increases testosterone, can it actually assist in buring body fat?
Lookin good there 1HP!! I can't wait to start NOS Ether here soon. Almost outta JP8, time to re-order!! Seems for me once I take a day off the stack, the next day I start it up again, it hits me like a ton of bricks again, I love it!!! Is that the same for you?
Day 13:
Left ball: 34x52 mm
Right ball: 35x50 mm
Upper leg: 24.8"
Waist: 34.2"
Arm: 14.9"
Chest 48"
Weight: 189 lbs
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yeah xtend is the best thing ever, bcca's rock the socks of of the whey proteins of yesteryear, if u take bcaa's before,during and after a workout theres no need for whey anymore. Bcca's r much more anabolic than whey.
This is a joke I hope
If you have adequate protein throughout the day there is no need for ffAA's. Only properly dosed around a workout can they provide additional benefits that in tract protein cannot.
Layne Norton has written many articles on utilizing amino acids, may want to look into some his stuff as he is a pioneer when it comes to amino acids.
The only other reason I can imagine someone using 10-12 scoops of amino acids throughout the day is on an extreme cut where a strong caloric deficit is taking place and it's necessary to prevent catabolism. Other than that, save your $.
This log is making me VERY anxious to crack open my tub of ETHER and bottle of DTH![]()
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Xtend decreases recovery time and has a positive influence on body composition for me.
Thats exactly what layne norton does, hip drink 2 scoops of xtend in between meals to improve protein synthesis. Whey is pretty obsolete compares to BCAA's, Luecine in particular, which is a directly related to protein sysntheis according to layne norton and his research. BCAA's are way better than whey, not for a meal replacement though.
Interrelationship between Physical Activity and Branched-Chain Amino Acids1
Michael Gleeson2
School of Sport and Exercise Sciences, Loughborough University, Loughborough, Leicestershire, LE11 3TU, England, UK
2To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: [email protected].
Some athletes can have quite high intakes of branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs) because of their high energy and protein intakes and also because they consume protein supplements, solutions of protein hydrolysates, and free amino acids. The requirement for protein may actually be higher in endurance athletes than in sedentary individuals because some amino acids, including the BCAAs, are oxidized in increased amounts during exercise compared with rest, and they must therefore be replenished by the diet. In the late 1970s, BCAAs were suggested to be the third fuel for skeletal muscle after carbohydrate and fat. However, the majority of later studies, using various exercise and treatment designs and several forms of administration of BCAAs (infusion, oral, and with and without carbohydrates), have failed to find a performance-enhancing effect. No valid scientific evidence supports the commercial claims that orally ingested BCAAs have an anticatabolic effect during and after exercise in humans or that BCAA supplements may accelerate the repair of muscle damage after exercise. The recommended protein intakes for athletes (1.2 to 1.8 g ? kg body mass–1 ? d–1) do not seem to be harmful. Acute intakes of BCAA supplements of about 10–30 g/d seem to be without ill effect. However, the suggested reasons for taking such supplements have not received much support from well-controlled scientific studies.
As far as the research goes, free-form BCAA simply hasn't proven itself superior to an isonitrogenous amount of protein for the purpose of improving body composition. The only exception to this rule was a 1997 study (Mourier, et al) which compared a 0.9g/kg soy protein supp with 0.9g/kg BCAA-enriched protein supp under hypocaloric conditions. Can you guess which treatment got beaten for improving body comp?
If there was objective proof beyond the brotacular testimonials of those with a predetermined belief that free-form BCAA is the magic bullet, I'd give it some credit. But thankfully, the same results can be achieved by eating more animal flesh, or you can take the convenient/cheap route & have more whey.
Good answer there bro, and def true.Yup it can, through multiple pathways. Good test boosters improve my body composition more then fatburners.
Thats whats up man!! I'm up 4 pounds on day like 18 of something.Day 25:
Dose: 2/2/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami.
Recepy for extreme pumps/vascularity:
Pre workout:
2 scoops Xtend
2 scoops JP8
1 scoop NOS ETHER
During workout:
2 scoops Xtend
Post workout:
2 scoops Xtend
1 scoop NOS ETHER
HOLY PUMPS BATMAN!!!
Day 25 Measurements:
Left ball: 34x54 mm
Right ball: 35x52 mm
Upper leg: 25.2"
Waist: 34.2"
Arm: 14.9"
Chest 48.3"
Weight: 193.5 lbs
Gained 4.5 lbs and some size on my legs/chest since starting JP8/NOS ETHER, balls a little bigger again aswell :head:
Notes: Some acne developing on shoulders. Libido a bit down on 5DTH. I wish I could do 4.5 tabs DTHmaybe try 4 one day, 5 the other. Energy during workout was unreal. Today I really felt the force of JP8/NOS ETHER.
update on haircolour.
Went to the hairdresser today (2nd time since on DTH already). Anyways he commented on my lighter haircolour so it's not me imagining things.. What gives.. Chuck??
Here is Alan Aragon's thoughts:
I hope you are beginning to understand that supplementing AA's throughout the day is simply broscience, and there is really nothing but anecdotal/placebo results.
yes, thats one of things test is able to do mate:bruce3:
its not broscience dude, bcca's are just as proven as creatine and beta alanine.
I have some weird feeling you don't even know what you posted. NOTHING that you posted proves BCAA's more effective than whey protein.
The first study was on un-trained college men, which means they are not taking on the high protein diets we are.
Second, cancer patients are most likely not taking in 2g/lb of protein and most likely not eating every 3hrs with high protein meals, so of course the introduction of free form amino acids will give some results. This still fails to prove how they're of any benefit when diet is in check.
The third test, was done with a 30km cross country race. I cannot begin to fathom the type of relevance you've perceived from that study.
Hate to break it to you, but there is NO study out there that proves amino acids to be better than whey. On top of that, when you've got a proper diet set up...the use of amino acids for beneficial purposes becomes VERY VERY limited. Whether or not you choose to believe it because I do realize broscience can reach the roots of many people's beliefs...it is reality.
Lol funny but yeah I have used other supplements that increase Test but no change in body fat.
Can I take DTH with food or will that inhibit absorption?
Ps. Canadian customs are ****ing retarded, every time they keep my supplements for a week.
look do what you want, well do what we want there are thousand of satisfied customers of xtend, everyone i know takes that and it works, it also has citrline maltate and gluatamine, but the bcaa's are big component of it. Ill laugh because all of are happily enjoying our xtend.
good day sir, im tired of arguing:duel::lol::lol::lol::head:
Not really, arguing. Simply debating science, but I guess that's not really your thing? I was simply trying to save you money. I agree that amino acids can be beneficial when timed properly around a workout...my only point was that it is a waste to mega dose them throughout the day. And all the research and experts agree with me, I'm not really sure why people are so stuck on the damn broscience. :think:
I'm sure there's thousands of satisfied customers with "the strap" too, just because they simply don't know any better. Does that mean the strap is better than "steroids of yesteryear?"![]()
I have to disagree with you, not because of science but because of personal experience. See my previous log:
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...I agree that amino acids can be beneficial when timed properly around a workout...my only point was that it is a waste to mega dose them throughout the day....
I agree with you here, especially because of the role they play in halting catabolism, optimizing the benefits of supplementation during the so-called window of anabolic opportunity, and enhancing recovery. There are diminishing returns to indiscriminate mega-dosed intake of BCAAs (and, in particular, leucine). First of all, there are natural limits to systemic uptake and utilization. Second, certain co-factors are important. In particular, although BCAAs, especially leucine, trigger and promote protein synthesis, the simultaneous consumption of the full range of EAAs and carbohydrates is crucial for an optimized anabolic environment. Without, at least the full range of EAAs, whether singular-form or not, stand-alone leucine supplementation, for instance that appears to be very popular with some bodybuilders, not to mention mega-dosing, is counter-productive.
Sorry, 1HP, if I derailed your thread!
Wow guys interesting stuff!! I have to say that I personally have had great results with taking in eaa's and bcaa when cutting weight, but, that time I didn't use extend, I used Amino Fuel, it has no citrulline malate in it, but it has arginine. Also mixed some eaa's in there as well. Put just a tad of Glycomaize in the mix for carbs. Didn't do the mega-dosing thing, only did like 2-3 servings per day, nothing major. Overall, I was very happy and still am with the results. Not trying to start a pissing contest here, I can see the logic in both sides, just stating a personal fact for me. Always nice ot have everybody weigh in, that's why it's a great forum.
Lol yeah really, I take 10 scoops Xtend on non w/o days, 12 on w/o days.. It rocks!
i never said i megadosed bcaa's, there was a misunderstanding, I still think however if you have meals 3-4 hours apart, its good to take one serving of xtend to keep your bcaa's, but my whole overall point was i have not used whey in over a year for afterworkout nutrition, bcca's are just better for this purpose for me, and my anecdectoal experience of trying both. of course 30 minutes after my workout i eat a full meal.
EEA's are important 100 percent but its the bcca and glutamine are better. Amino acid are better than regular whey, because whey has to be proccessed buy the body, aminos are in the current forms.
Dave gabe even the company you rep for put Amino acids along with hydrolized protein for a product that is simply better than plain whey, can u argue againt your own affiliation?
haha:cheers:
i dont megadose bccas, wherd u get that from, maybe u dont have compresion skills,i said that in my previous post. my signature states that bcaa's are better than whey,period.(okay for intra workout dosing)BYAH!
I am a very smart guy, saying that i dont have comprehension skills is pretty mean, i take offense to that.
Lets get the record straight on most days non workout out day i dont drink xtend. If i do i have one serving if i cant get a meal in. My whole arguement is WHEY VS. BCAA's
Maybe your the one that has comprehension problems.
And i have no clue why u keep arguing with me, i said that you do what you want and well do what we want. If megadosing bcaa's works for people, are you just gonna go tell call those people liars?
Now please stop continuously making silly arguments with me, if someone quotes me and tests my intellect i cant help but to respond.
Now i'm not trying to be rude here, i am a nice person, and have a nice day!:head::head::head:Good luck in your future endeavors, my new friend, Dave Gabe.