dsade
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The entire nation? Even the Buddhist Americans? Even the Hindu Americans? To whom did they pray?
Will you go see "Religulous"?
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Zero V
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satan believes in Christ, does that make him christian?
The bible warns. taking or adding from the bible is 100% wrong. The mormons claim a new book, written by a guy in 1830ish...
Catholics added 7 books in the 1500's or 1600's.
Jehovah's witness....well we all know about them already....
To believe in Christ, and follow his doctrine makes you christian. There are sinners who believe in Christ, but worship satan because they side with him. Since they believe in him, are they christians?
point and case.
Zero V
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this was back when those populations were probably at such a low percentile you couldnt even find them on a census report.
Yes the entire nation(meaning over 80%). There have always been lost and fallen.
But seriously, have you not noticed the change in america?
Zero V
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That makes zero sense. Considering chris angel is somewhere along the lines of where I figure you stand.
He is a deceiver, illusionist, and definitely into darker worship...
dsade
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Actually, statistics do not support your claim whatsoever.
And I guess as long as people are minorites screw their rights, correct?
Zero V
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What rights were taken away during a 5 minute prayer? They can sit silently, pray to their religion, write, nap.....
dsade
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Tax dollars go to teach...that is 5 minutes a day they are NOT learning math, reading, etc.
Nor can you force my dollars to support a religion I do not believe in, in fact that some find repulsive.
dsade
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So you would be fine with your children forced to be in the same room where a Satanic Dark Mass were taking place, paid for by your tax dollars...I mean, they could pray on their own, write, color, nap, etc....right?
Zero V
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Then why do their religions get to wear their "symbols" and headgear in school, when other children are not allowed to? Christianity is the only religion under attack. And thats because of obvious reasons, its been predicted. Heck, the bible hsa predicted everything that has come, and will.
Christianity is being attacked because this is the time for hte hardening of hearts.
Zero V
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atually I wouldnt mind it. I would almost like that. My child will over course be taught prayer. Hopefully he/she could intercede and halt any disgusting curses they are dreaming up or desires they fornicate with in their mind....
I would be fine with it. It allows a direct confrontation for spiritual warfare.
Besides, its not paid for by tax dollars. The books arent supplied, the symbols arent. 5 minutes to anyone to do what they want in silence? hmm? is that unfair to anyone?
dsade
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Gimme a small break here...christianity is OVERWHELMINGLY the majority in this country...and you are the ones trying to invade the government/use religious justifications for trying to pass laws, etc.
As an aside...there is a passage in the bible where Jesus CLEARLY states "Anything asked in my name will be given"...correct?
Now, I don't notice any passage after that that says "Except in the case of A, nor will b be answered, this offer null and void by all employees of the church, etc." which means there is NO limitation - simply ask god in the name of Jesus for ANYTHING and he has promised to provide it, yes? Sounds like a pretty easily testable promise, something that would convince ALL doubters, and truly allow themselves to accept or reject the now REALITY of a god.
dsade
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Time is money. In addition to that, it is seen as a support of a certain religion when led by a perceived authority (ie. teacher).
So...one second a teacher prays to an invisible entity with zero proof of existence, extolling his greatness and omnipotence. 5 minutes later a child answers his math exam, every question, with "because god wills it so".
Question - How do acids and bases for salts? Answer - because god makes it so.
a+?
Zero V
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Ask God yeah....if you have the faith, a life where you have resisted the flesh. yes his ears will be open to you. But he cannot hear the cries of someone who is in sin, his ears are shut to them. i would say...60% of christians...are just labeled as so because they go ti church every once in awhile.
A christian is a completly different creature, reborn. You can tell them when you see them. I go through hell atm, but smile the whole ride. Thats what ticks off atheists. We can be happy without pleasure for our flesh.
dsade
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Whoa...nowhere in that passage are ANY limitations to the promise. It simply says "anything asked in his name", right?
And again, this takes us back to the example of the raped/murdered child - which was dismissed as "god's mystery will". I'm sure there have been MANY instances of good people praying with all their hearts, in the name of Jesus, that their child be returned safe.
Answer? Oh, so sorry...dead/raped/murdered.
To anyone with a shred of intellectual integrity, this is a failure of the promise and a contradiction, evidence for the NON-existence of at least the Christian god described as such.
Zero V
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I gave you more credit than to throw out that blind, senseless rabble. Curriculum itself prevents the last half of your issue stated.
Also, teaching evolution, which is a faith, should be illegal too correct? Unless alongside it creationism is taught. Both are proven equally true at this point.... Maybe even a bit of both to some people, no?
Why is it chrisitans and even the cults that break away form them are the reasons our country and people make it through hard times. The only other group I can say even makes a dent like the combined christian effort, + sadly those who assume they are christian, is the shriners.
dsade
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Faith = belief in something with ZERO evidence, as a matter of fact, including in the face of NEGATIVE evidence.
Evolution can be demonstrated over and over again scientificallty (evolution as in the changing and adapting of species over time to be more suited to their environments) in a matter of hours. No faith required.
Why is it chrisitans and even the cults that break away form them are the reasons our country and people make it through hard times. The only other group I can say even makes a dent like the combined christian effort, + sadly those who assume they are christian, is the shriners.
Umm...can you say false premise? Prove this statement?
Zero V
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It is in the word actually, not on that exact line as your quote.
This is the issue with secular people quoting the bible. You find one part, then go off that.
Since I study science, biology(which includes evolution), chemistry, as well as some others. How about you read the bible before you hammer away anymore?
Since I know both sides of the argument, technically I am better suited to understand it. you know only one correct? Before you can quote the bible, read it.
technically I could go through your posts, and bring up a quote that makes you seem like some messed up jerkwad or something.....
In a sense it would be like a guy who never opened the hood of a car, talking about how that cars engine works....
dsade
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Yet again basing assumption, and declaring something that is not true in an effort to discredit. I have read the bible, thanks.
The passage cited is a complete thought. It says what it says - with no limitations. Perfect beings composing such vital texts would NOT be ambiguous, would they?
Zero V
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prove it otherwise....almost everyone will walk into a churrch when they are in need. We had a guy last weekend come through becaus he needed money to move onto another town. We have picked up countless peoples electic bills, baught groceries, etc. Many of the big human aid organzations are christian ran. Most normal people are too tied u with society to sacrifie like that... most.
heck, every muslim I have talked to from Africa, say Christians are the ONLY source of help down there. Usually at the cost of their own lives... I have worked with alot of muslims that came from africa too....
I dont see any secular people trotting down to be murdered, so that they can give mediation to some dieing children....oh wait...thats right they have to wash their BMW and buff their busa.....
I am sure there are some secular folk who do, but ratio wise...
dsade
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Tell you what, before this abomination goes any further it is time to establish rules of logic and argument.
We'll keep it simple:
Premise (prove non a priori premises)
Premise (same)
Conclusion.
You can't skip right to the conclusion (as you did above) then using THAT unproven conclusion as a further premise for further conclusions. That is not a sound argument and is one of the reasons religious arguments are discarded out of hand.
We'll keep it simple:
Premise (prove non a priori premises)
Premise (same)
Conclusion.
You can't skip right to the conclusion (as you did above) then using THAT unproven conclusion as a further premise for further conclusions. That is not a sound argument and is one of the reasons religious arguments are discarded out of hand.
dsade
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You fail logic. You made the claim, and therefore the burden is on YOU to prove it - otherwise you have to discard the premise and any conclusion based on the incorrect premise.
Rick28
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Zero and Rick, do as you please, I'm not your boss.
But I think your involvment in this thread should be directed towards leading us TO the bible, not Through it.
I'd like to attend a service at this Human Flight School/Medical Center, church of yours zero
Yor mind is already made up about God, so you already have a reprobate mind because you don't want to know Biblical truth.
Rick28
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Evolution does require faith. it's never been demonstrate over and over again. NO ONE has ever seen or observed one species "evolving" into another species. Ever! You can look at at human history and observe that people have only come from people!
Evolution = faith= religion.
Rick28
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Rick28
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Christians never came out of Catholicism. The reason why the Puritans came to American was to get away from Catholics. They didn't want to be ruled by an high heirachy. They wanted to worship God Biblically not Catholically. Marthin Luther renounced the Catholic Church but he was still Roman Catholic at heart (read his 95 Theses).
The reason why I used the term "dirty souls" is because in order to get a clean one you must be born again. They are not! You must be washed in the Blood of the Lamb. When a group of people follow the teachings of man and they're preferred over Biblical scripture, how can one say it is christian. In a sense it's like saying, "Lord I believe the Bible BUT the rules of my church comes way before your Holy Word, so I'll side with man and my religion to get me to heaven." This is the mentalily of these groups including most of the so called born again believers. Most people don't like to think for example that God would send their "Catholic Grandmother" to hell because she was a nice person. I'll stand by the Bible, if you teach another Jesus, you teach another Gospel, hence you'll burn in hell forever.
The only way a Mormon can be a "preacher" is if he left the Mormon Church and put his faith in Jesus Christ alone. Not his Mormon works!
Rick28
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You are correct. Adding and taking away from His word, which the groups like the Mormons, Catholics, JW's did, God said they'll burn in hell! This will include NIV Translators, and other bible perversion translators as well.
Rick28
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That argument is not good at all.
That verse is not a cry for people to be covetous idolators. Most people in the Word of Faith Movement like to use it to justify why they live prosperously.
9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Luke 11
Rick28
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If Catholics are christian then there is no need for the former Catholics that I know to have come out of Catholicism to embrace Biblical Christianity. Anyone who believes that a priest can magically transform a wafer into Jesus himself, when Jesus said on the cross that "it is finished" is not a christian. Catholics sacrifice him over and over again all across the world in Mass everyday. Why? Because they are not trusting in the finished sacrifice at Calvary that was "once and for all!" They are trusting in themselves to reach heaven. As I said before, if you have "other ways" to reach heaven other than the one that Jesus said to follow, you have another Jesus that's not according to the Bible. You've set up a "god" in your own image, one that will send you to hell. You can't expect to worship God the way you want to and still call yourself a christian!
Christians are to be judgmental. How else would you discern between good and evil? Haven't you heard of the Bible Book "Judges."
whiskers
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You dont even know if it exists, let alone its size.
But it was a joke Rick. I was mocking your judging standards.
The heaven you dream of sounds like a lonely place.
whiskers
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I was mocking you.
No, Chris Angel is not using satans power to peddle dark magic tricks. They are well crafted illusions.
And if Chris Angel were an atheist like me, why the hell would he be into "Dark Worship"???
somewhatgifted
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Ive been somewhat with your ideas(dont really get it tho), but really how you suppose a saint and hitler get lumped into the same ball of wax? Mother theresa helped nurse people back to life, toured the world treating every soul as equal and saving or enhancing thousands of lives until her death. A life time of servitude to the people under god. I mean logically nothing of this post makes any sense to me and has me questioning your reason. God didnt create life to dangle pergatory in front of you if infact god did grant us life. We are made perfect, as intended. We are spiritual, like it or not. We spend our entire lives learning and growing from our mistakes not adding to the flames of hell.
Simply put mother theresa could have sat in a pew, booth, or forum arguing points... she acted of love, to any and all, changing this world for the better one soul at a time. She was intelligent, humble and understood religion far better than i can possibly imagine you do. She spoke with "god" im sure of her own account and the nature of her life, free of vanity, full of love and never lacking purpose. It is proposterous for you to assume you know better than she did based upon comparing your life to hers.
She read the books avoided the nonsense (rims, diamonds, fancy cars, ego) and did what in the end is the only thing that will matter in the end (physical death), doing what you can, with what you have for the better good of ALL mankind.
whiskers
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Alright man.
You're right. Maybe I just look bad relative to your intellectual prowess :toofunny:
You keep flying high...literally
whiskers
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maybe atheists dont enjoy killing as much as religious people. jk.
They are a minority, and as such will have a minor part in the "hero" tales.
(imo there's no such thing as a hero in war)
That's just funny.
You cant feel ****!
Maybe they just act weird around you because they know what you believe and think its funny.
They prayed because there was a tragedy. They used religion as the psychological crutch that it is.
Rick28
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I used Mother Theresa as an example that God doesn't weigh our good with our bad. Mother Thersa believed in salvation works like most people do. So she's in hell. Why? Because she trusted in her works other than by faith.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7
Rick28
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13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
It's so clear, If you have another way to get salvation other than what Jesus said is the only way through him alone (nothing extra), You'll go to hell. People make it harder than what it really is. It's only through faith.
Rick28
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If all it takes is to be a great humanitarian, then my Lord died in vain. Since she was Catholic, she believed there's no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.
Roman Catholicism teaches that salvation is available only through the Catholic church:
"The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: 'For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained.'" Pg. 215, #816
Here, the 1994 catechism reaffirms the existing teaching of Vatican II, that salvation can be obtained only through the Roman Catholic church. The catechism leaves no doubt that the Catholic church is necessary for salvation:
"...all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation..." Pg. 224, #846
Past popes have taught this doctrine, as have previous catechisms and church fathers. Here is but one example…
On May 7, 2001, Pope John Paul II told 2,000 youth gathered at the Greek-Melkite Cathedral of Damascus that "you cannot be a Christian if you reject the Church founded on Jesus Christ."
Rick28
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I will admit though, if salvation were by works, she'll be there. Sadly, this isn't the case. She trusted in Rome rather than Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church was her god. Even real bible believing christians think church attendance gets them to heaven.
Rick28
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It's the same way with mormonism,
"If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."
Bruce R. McConkie
If this lie is true then everyone who isn't a Mormon will burn in hell. Well I guess I'll be there too being cursed with my black skin and all.
"If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."
Bruce R. McConkie
If this lie is true then everyone who isn't a Mormon will burn in hell. Well I guess I'll be there too being cursed with my black skin and all.
Rick28
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This is what Mormons believe about the God of the Bible:
God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.)
The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s... (D&C 130:22).
God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3.)
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345
God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105.)
God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, pages 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428.)
God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 218, 1857; vol. 8, p. 115.) - This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always 'officially' taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it.
Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones. (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).
GOD, BECOMING A GOD
After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354.)
Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them, (DC 132:20).
GOD, MANY GODS
There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)
And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light (Book of Abraham 4:3)
GOD, MOTHER GODDESS
There is a mother god, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443.)
God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, (Mormon Doctrine p. 516.)
Do you still believe they worship the same God as me?
God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.)
The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s... (D&C 130:22).
God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3.)
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345
God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105.)
God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, pages 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428.)
God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 218, 1857; vol. 8, p. 115.) - This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always 'officially' taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it.
Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones. (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).
GOD, BECOMING A GOD
After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354.)
Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them, (DC 132:20).
GOD, MANY GODS
There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)
And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light (Book of Abraham 4:3)
GOD, MOTHER GODDESS
There is a mother god, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443.)
God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, (Mormon Doctrine p. 516.)
Do you still believe they worship the same God as me?
Rick28
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Did Jesus physically visit America?:
The Book of Mormon - III Nephi 28 The Book of Mormon tells of Jesus visiting the American continent. He picks out twelve more disciples to spread the Mormon gospel on the American continents.
The heading for Chapter 28 says: ...Three Nephites are given power over death so as to remain on Earth until Jesus comes again...and they are now ministering among men. Vs. 6-9, ...ye have desired the thing which John, my beloved, who was with me in my ministry, before that I was lifted up by the Jews, desired of me.
The Book of Mormon - III Nephi 28 The Book of Mormon tells of Jesus visiting the American continent. He picks out twelve more disciples to spread the Mormon gospel on the American continents.
The heading for Chapter 28 says: ...Three Nephites are given power over death so as to remain on Earth until Jesus comes again...and they are now ministering among men. Vs. 6-9, ...ye have desired the thing which John, my beloved, who was with me in my ministry, before that I was lifted up by the Jews, desired of me.
Rick28
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Brigham Young's View of the Virgin Birth:
Second President, and Prophet of LDS Church, Brigham Young:
When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he took a tabernacle [body], it was begotten by his Father in heaven, after the same manner as the tabernacles of Cain, Abel and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve. . . . (Journal of Discourses (hereafter: JD), 1:50; emphasis added).
The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood--was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers. . . . (JD, 8:115).
Second President, and Prophet of LDS Church, Brigham Young:
When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he took a tabernacle [body], it was begotten by his Father in heaven, after the same manner as the tabernacles of Cain, Abel and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve. . . . (Journal of Discourses (hereafter: JD), 1:50; emphasis added).
The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood--was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers. . . . (JD, 8:115).
Rick28
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Mormon Views of Black People:
The Mormon prophet Brigham Young on the appearance of Africans:
“Cain slew his brother.... and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the FLAT NOSE AND BLACK SKIN...”(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, pages 290-291)
From a Mormon Publication:
“Their skin is quite black, their hair woolly and black, THEIR INTELLIGENCE STUNTED, and they appear never to have arisen from the most savage state of barbarism.” The Juvenile Instructor, Vol. 3, page 157)
Besides a black skin, Africans have a black heart, according to Mormon publication Times and Seasons, edited by future prophet John Taylor:
“The descendants of Ham, besides A BLACK SKIN which has ever been a curse that has followed an apostate of the holy priesthood, as well as a BLACK HEART, have been servants to both Shem and Japheth, and the ABOLITIONISTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE VOID THE CURSE OF GOD, BUT IT WILL REQUIRE MORE POWER THAN MAN POSSESSES TO COUNTERACT THE DECREES OF ETERNAL WISDOM.”
(Times and Seasons, Vol. 6, page 857)
The Mormon prophet Brigham Young on the appearance of Africans:
“Cain slew his brother.... and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the FLAT NOSE AND BLACK SKIN...”(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, pages 290-291)
From a Mormon Publication:
“Their skin is quite black, their hair woolly and black, THEIR INTELLIGENCE STUNTED, and they appear never to have arisen from the most savage state of barbarism.” The Juvenile Instructor, Vol. 3, page 157)
Besides a black skin, Africans have a black heart, according to Mormon publication Times and Seasons, edited by future prophet John Taylor:
“The descendants of Ham, besides A BLACK SKIN which has ever been a curse that has followed an apostate of the holy priesthood, as well as a BLACK HEART, have been servants to both Shem and Japheth, and the ABOLITIONISTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE VOID THE CURSE OF GOD, BUT IT WILL REQUIRE MORE POWER THAN MAN POSSESSES TO COUNTERACT THE DECREES OF ETERNAL WISDOM.”
(Times and Seasons, Vol. 6, page 857)
Rick28
Member
Is Mormonism Christian?
Questions- True or False
1. Mormonism teaches that there is more than one God.
True. This is an direct conflict with what God Himself says on this subject in the Bible (Isaiah 44:6 and 8, 45:5, 6, 18, 21, 22). This also mysteriously contradicts the Book of Mormon (Alma 11:22, 26-31, and 35). Who is right: God, or the president of the Mormon Church?
2. Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ is the spirit-brother of Lucifer.
True. See Journal of Discourses, Volume 13, page 282. This doctrine goes hand-in-hand with the teaching that Christ is a created being and not eternal God, the Creator (John 1:3, 10; Nehemiah 9:6) This, too, contradicts the Book of Mormon (Helaman 14:12, Mosiah 3: 8 and 5:15).
3. Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ was born after sexual intercourse between God the Father and Mary (thereby denying the virgin birth)
True. See Journal of discourses, Volume 4, page 218, for an example. Many Mormons are unfamiliar with this doctrine of their church, but this is nonetheless a cardinal teaching. This contradicts both the Bible (Matthew 1:23) and the Book of Mormon (Alma 7:10). Beginning to see a pattern?
4. Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones.
True. See Doctrine and Covenants, Section 130. The Bible, as usual, disagrees with both Joseph Smith and the Mormon Church (John 4:24, Luke 24:39, Jeremiah 23:24).
5. Mormonism teaches that God the Father was once a man.
True. Joseph Smith, prophet and founder of the Mormon Church, taught this in the King Follett Discourse, his last major address, and the Mormon Church teaches it to this very day (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 5 and 6). This is a violent contradiction with not only the bible, but with the Book of Mormon as well (Moroni 8:18, Mormon 9:9).
6. Mormonism teaches that we can become gods, and rule over our own planets.
True. This is what the Mormon temples are for (see reference cited in answer 5 above; see also Doctrine and Covenants, section 132 in order to understand the direct connection between Mormon godhead and the practice of polygamy in the LDS Church prior to 1890.)
7. Mormonism taught for half - century that Adam is our Father and our God.
True. See Journal of discourses, Volume 1, pages 50 to 51: Volume 4, page 1; and Volume 5, page 331, for examples. Whether Mormons deny it or not is immaterial; that it was taught is historical fact.
8. Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ was a polygamist.
True. See Journal of Discourses, Volume 4, page 259.
Questions- True or False
1. Mormonism teaches that there is more than one God.
True. This is an direct conflict with what God Himself says on this subject in the Bible (Isaiah 44:6 and 8, 45:5, 6, 18, 21, 22). This also mysteriously contradicts the Book of Mormon (Alma 11:22, 26-31, and 35). Who is right: God, or the president of the Mormon Church?
2. Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ is the spirit-brother of Lucifer.
True. See Journal of Discourses, Volume 13, page 282. This doctrine goes hand-in-hand with the teaching that Christ is a created being and not eternal God, the Creator (John 1:3, 10; Nehemiah 9:6) This, too, contradicts the Book of Mormon (Helaman 14:12, Mosiah 3: 8 and 5:15).
3. Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ was born after sexual intercourse between God the Father and Mary (thereby denying the virgin birth)
True. See Journal of discourses, Volume 4, page 218, for an example. Many Mormons are unfamiliar with this doctrine of their church, but this is nonetheless a cardinal teaching. This contradicts both the Bible (Matthew 1:23) and the Book of Mormon (Alma 7:10). Beginning to see a pattern?
4. Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones.
True. See Doctrine and Covenants, Section 130. The Bible, as usual, disagrees with both Joseph Smith and the Mormon Church (John 4:24, Luke 24:39, Jeremiah 23:24).
5. Mormonism teaches that God the Father was once a man.
True. Joseph Smith, prophet and founder of the Mormon Church, taught this in the King Follett Discourse, his last major address, and the Mormon Church teaches it to this very day (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 5 and 6). This is a violent contradiction with not only the bible, but with the Book of Mormon as well (Moroni 8:18, Mormon 9:9).
6. Mormonism teaches that we can become gods, and rule over our own planets.
True. This is what the Mormon temples are for (see reference cited in answer 5 above; see also Doctrine and Covenants, section 132 in order to understand the direct connection between Mormon godhead and the practice of polygamy in the LDS Church prior to 1890.)
7. Mormonism taught for half - century that Adam is our Father and our God.
True. See Journal of discourses, Volume 1, pages 50 to 51: Volume 4, page 1; and Volume 5, page 331, for examples. Whether Mormons deny it or not is immaterial; that it was taught is historical fact.
8. Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ was a polygamist.
True. See Journal of Discourses, Volume 4, page 259.
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That's terrible.