Will you go see "Religulous"?

[Zero V]

As does the bible...your point?

bible has never contradicted itself to me. but as much as science has....

tell me my friend. Science says it is fact, and guaranteed that all living cells on earth divided from a previous cell. Where did the first one come from? Are you one of those guys that believe a volcano farted at just the right time as a geyser sneezed and a magical sunbeam caused some freaking reaction between carbon atoms and hydrogen atoms and so on and all of the sudden life from inanimate objects?

if so my water bottle will someday be the foundation of a whole ecosystem....

 

[whiskers]

bible has never contradicted itself to me. but as much as science has....

tell me my friend. Science says it is fact, and guaranteed that all living cells on earth divided from a previous cell. Where did the first one come from? Are you one of those guys that believe a volcano farted at just the right time as a geyser sneezed and a magical sunbeam caused some freaking reaction between carbon atoms and hydrogen atoms and so on and all of the sudden life from inanimate objects?

if so my water bottle will someday be the foundation of a whole ecosystem....

We're not choosing one absurdity over the other.
I dont know enough about evolution to know if I buy it, and definitely not enough to defend it.
"It's better to have no beliefs than false ones." -Jefferson

 

[dsade]

bible has never contradicted itself to me. but as much as science has....

tell me my friend. Science says it is fact, and guaranteed that all living cells on earth divided from a previous cell. Where did the first one come from? Are you one of those guys that believe a volcano farted at just the right time as a geyser sneezed and a magical sunbeam caused some freaking reaction between carbon atoms and hydrogen atoms and so on and all of the sudden life from inanimate objects?

Tell me my friend....one of the arguments for god is that everything had to have had a creator. Where did god come from? Are you one of those guys that believe that this guy just always existed, sat around for half an eternity, then suddenly farted just at the right time as he sneezed and this magical being suddenly created the entire universe and men from nothingness?

And theories merely state that "so far, every piece of observed data and all phenomenon point to support this conclusion...so unless and until something is observed or found COUNTER to that conclusion, we will use this as the most accurate model of reality". Science never states anything as fact, nor guarantees.

 

[Zero V]

Let there be no mistake, I dont believe in God lol.

I think both books are crock. The bible was just more meticulously historized to give it the appearance of being authentic.

roman records exist of a one Jesus Christ form that time period....who had a brother named James.... hmm....Romans were pretty good with records too.

Why is it Christian families dance to the joy of cancer dissapearing overnight from a mother or wife. Or because a child was cured of an incurable disease.... I see it at my church.

What do you call that?

Regardless of most. No other religion brings happiness and healings like I have experienced as well as other things(including being knocked into the air by nothing, but the holy spirit).

Muslims I talk to dont ever remember seeing or being involved in healings, or mormons, or JW, or anyone.....odd. Why is this religion so special? Its real....

be wary of the those who seek to choke the seed....

many have become baran as the rocks, or live within thorn bushes, or care not to grow roots.

Christians will understand what I am speaking from here...

 

[whiskers]

Oh believe me I'd heard my share of mormon healings.
You're religion is nothing special.

"Religions vary in their degree of idiocy,
but I reject them all."
-Gene Roddenberry


you were not knocked into the air by the "holy spirit," you hallucinated, or you jumped

 

[Zero V]

Tell me my friend....one of the arguments for god is that everything had to have had a creator. Where did god come from? Are you one of those guys that believe that this guy just always existed, sat around for half an eternity, then suddenly farted just at the right time as he sneezed and this magical being suddenly created the entire universe and men from nothingness?

And theories merely state that "so far, every piece of observed data and all phenomenon point to support this conclusion...so unless and until something is observed or found COUNTER to that conclusion, we will use this as the most accurate model of reality". Science never states anything as fact, nor guarantees.

you still havent responded to my question about your rational laws known as science...which claim something bigger must have started it.


Actually the angels existed before man, God had plenty to do. It was after lucifers fall that man was created, we werent his first... And only he knows what else he may have had interest in.

Also do you know about white holes? By science it can explain how earth could be oh....5-10 thousand years old, and the rest of the universe be millions... As science advances, for some reason books and scientists that believe in God grows...

Like I said before....a dinosaur did a headstand for 6 million years so it could go through 5 levels of 1.something million year old rock layers?

Also, knowing that dinosaurs could not fossilize without being instantly cut off from oxygen...when and where could this have happened? ....the flood maybe? being crushed and blanketed by a wall of mud....

And the bible speaks of dinosaurs....

no one can disprove Gods existence. But as science goes about its ways.... it sometimes proves itself wrong.

 

[whiskers]

roman records exist of a one Jesus Christ form that time period....who had a brother named James.... hmm....Romans were pretty good with records too.

please be VERY specific.

and there may be some records of a "Christ" or "Cristus," which is not a name, it is a title, it means "the annointed one."
The Egyptians have records of many "Christs" due to this.

 

[dsade]

you still havent responded to my question about your rational laws known as science...which claim something bigger must have started it.


Actually the angels existed before man, God had plenty to do. It was after lucifers fall that man was created, we werent his first... And only he knows what else he may have had interest in.

Also do you know about white holes? By science it can explain how earth could be oh....5-10 thousand years old, and the rest of the universe be millions... As science advances, for some reason books and scientists that believe in God grows...

Like I said before....a dinosaur did a headstand for 6 million years so it could go through 5 levels of 1.something million year old rock layers?

Also, knowing that dinosaurs could not fossilize without being instantly cut off from oxygen...when and where could this have happened? ....the flood maybe? being crushed and blanketed by a wall of mud....

And the bible speaks of dinosaurs....

no one can disprove Gods existence. But as science goes about its ways.... it sometimes proves itself wrong.

Just....wow.

One can't argue with psychosis.

 

[Zero V]

Oh believe me I'd heard my share of mormon healings.
You're religion is nothing special.

"Religions vary in their degree of idiocy,
but I reject them all."
-Gene Roddenberry


you were not knocked into the air by the "holy spirit," you hallucinated, or you jumped

mmmhmmm..... as well has had the breaks on my car lock and stop, then a few seconds later a deer jumps out in the road....lucky malfunction.

and as to the healings? did the people just decide...hey..cancer sucks, i think I will turn it off...and make it vanish...

the man at my church who was going for surgery on his knee that had the tendons ruptured, but then after the second xray found out they were completly healed(after a night of prayer of course).....man, maybe he injected some IGF-1 or something.....

to the countless people who have had broken bones healed instantly, met people who helped them that never existed....

I sir, did not jump, you sir simply, dont have faith. Therefore you exist as 3D in a 4D world...:whip:

 

[Hurleyboy05]

I really wish I could get a straight answer from a christian about just one question:

If god is all knowing, all powerful, and in total control, then why... Why did he decide to create angels, knowing full well that Lucifer would change and become "evil" and then go on to let an entire race of human beings suffer for this? If he knew this was going to happen (all knowing) then why not just not create angels in the first place? Why let all this happen and have things like rape, murder, abuse, violence happen??

 

[whiskers]

As science advances, for some reason books and scientists that believe in God grows...

No, its basically a one way street away from religion. When was the last time religion explained something better than science?

 

[dsade]

mmmhmmm..... as well has had the breaks on my car lock and stop, then a few seconds later a deer jumps out in the road....lucky malfunction.

and as to the healings? did the people just decide...hey..cancer sucks, i think I will turn it off...and make it vanish...

the man at my church who was going for surgery on his knee that had the tendons ruptured, but then after the second xray found out they were completly healed(after a night of prayer of course).....man, maybe he injected some IGF-1 or something.....

to the countless people who have had broken bones healed instantly, met people who helped them that never existed....

I sir, did not jump, you sir simply, dont have faith. Therefore you exist as 3D in a 4D world...:whip:

And a mother had her child kidnapped, and she prayed until her freaking eyes bled, as well as those around her...and, at the last minute...yeah, the kid was raped, tortured, and murdered.

But hey, at least your god saved a freaking deer.

 

[whiskers]

mmmhmmm..... as well has had the breaks on my car lock and stop, then a few seconds later a deer jumps out in the road....lucky malfunction.

and as to the healings? did the people just decide...hey..cancer sucks, i think I will turn it off...and make it vanish...

the man at my church who was going for surgery on his knee that had the tendons ruptured, but then after the second xray found out they were completly healed(after a night of prayer of course).....man, maybe he injected some IGF-1 or something.....

to the countless people who have had broken bones healed instantly, met people who helped them that never existed....

I sir, did not jump, you sir simply, dont have faith. Therefore you exist as 3D in a 4D world...:whip:

Oh my f*cking....science.

Please take a video next time your pastor heals a broken bone on the spot. I'd LOVE to see it. .....and take a vid of you flying.

 

[Zero V]

So there were no existing children alive when god enslaved the jews? Also, should not the perfect being be able to free those children born, or are we looking at yet another example of injustice commited by this "benevolent" being?

Example: Slaughter of all lfirstborn children in Egypt (aka Passover). Oh? What did those babies do to deserve slaughter? Nothing? How moral of him.

your sense of injustice is that of one man, who in no way affects the entire world.....any soldier, patriot, and such great groups of society understand that. When you understand your role is a part, and death is NOT a bad thing. Life gets better. Because God doesnt baby you, or everyone he is all of the sudden mean?

So in the army...when the general sends you to the front lines to die....he is evil correct? Or is he accomplishing a greater purpose?

 

[dsade]

your sense of injustice is that of one man, who in no way affects the entire world.....any soldier, patriot, and such great groups of society understand that. When you understand your role is a part, and death is NOT a bad thing. Life gets better. Because God doesnt baby you, or everyone he is all of the sudden mean?

So in the army...when the general sends you to the front lines to die....he is evil correct? Or is he accomplishing a greater purpose?

Do you pretend to know his great purpose? Are you now equal to the task of understanding what you claim everyone else is too dumb to?

Basically, you cannot speak of god's "goodness" because then you turn around and define goodness as "anything god does" which renders the term good without meaning (my point about him being amoral).

Let's make it easy...so we are all in agreement about exactly WHAT we are talking about...please start by listing say, 5 specific descriptive qualities of this god - because honestly I have no idea what you are talking about.

/do You believe in the supreme flurp? You know, flurp?

 

[Zero V]

Oh my f*cking....science.

Please take a video next time your pastor heals a broken bone on the spot. I'd LOVE to see it. .....and take a vid of you flying.

there are plenty of videos of the dead being risen, legs being lengthend , body parts healed....doesnt matter you wont believe....too afraid to believe something that you cant control....

 

[dsade]

<cue twilight zone theme>

 

[whiskers]

Basically, you cannot speak of god's "goodness" because then you turn around and define goodness as "anything god does" which renders the term good without meaning (my point about him being amoral).

perfect

 

[Hurleyboy05]

You believe much to blindly Zero V. It's not "not knowing" that frightens me, its when there are those that think they know all that I become afraid.

 

[whiskers]

there are plenty of videos of the dead being risen, legs being lengthend , body parts healed....doesnt matter you wont believe....too afraid to believe something that you cant control....

please post some.


...and thanks for the lulz

 

[Zero V]

And a mother had her child kidnapped, and she prayed until her freaking eyes bled, as well as those around her...and, at the last minute...yeah, the kid was raped, tortured, and murdered.

But hey, at least your god saved a freaking deer.

and what about the child that was returned, or found miraculous? Or where a cop for some random reason pulled over a van, he doesnt know why, that had a kidnap victim in it?

for every clain you make, there is an equal opposite one, just as you do it me.... except I TRY TO ANSWER questions.

dsade, you have never once answered mine...you avoid it like the guy he likes to take pot shots, but cant handle a real fight...

every threads the same....you complain, throw up excuses, throw up bad things, but never respond in a way like we do.... really makes me find your posts as strong as that of someone who has been hurt, and is just swinging wildly.....

 

[Hurleyboy05]

Zero, will you being the "answer man" please give my question at the end of the last page an answer.

 

[dsade]

please post some.


...and thanks for the lulz

Or let's make it even better....churches are always claiming that they need money for "god's work."

The Amazing Randi has pledged a million dollars to anyone that can demonstrate live any kind of supernatural phenomenon.

Let's bring a dead guy, and a faith healer right on over, have a doctor examine and declare him dead, then have Mr. Faith Healer bring him back to life.

I guarantee you that doubters would be given something to consider - which would TRULY give them freedom of choice to accept or reject god.

Half-assed hearsay doesn't count as freedom of choice...hell, you can't even convict someone in court based on second-hand testimony that "yeah, old James said he raised the dead".

Case dismissed.

 

[whiskers]

and what about the child that was returned, or found miraculous? Or where a cop for some random reason pulled over a van, he doesnt know why, that had a kidnap victim in it?

Was the child that got raped, tortured and murdered ugly or something? Why not save all the kids. Maybe there is a divine purpose behind a child getting its brains f*cked out by some creep in a van eh?

 

[Zero V]

You believe much to blindly Zero V. It's not "not knowing" that frightens me, its when there are those that think they know all that I become afraid.

on the contrary, I actually love science, chemistry, biology mainly. I love psychology as well.

never has anything pointed in the direction that God doesnt exist...

I do not believe blindly, because I test my convictions daily. You dont think I never cried out "Why God WHY!!!"

Do you in turn, believe way to blindly in what men with white coats put in books for you?

dont doctors know best....you know, the only way you can get healed is through their techniques and medicine....untill you realize the only thing wrong with you is you needed to double your water intake....but they had you listed as having 5 different diseases? .....

 

[Hurleyboy05]

My respect for Supersize grows larger with almost every other post.

 

[Zero V]

Was the child that got raped, tortured and murdered ugly or something? Why not save all the kids. Maybe there is a divine purpose behind a child getting its brains f*cked out by some creep in a van eh?

Man desired to be as Gods, its why the first sin happened.

Because of this, God gave man dominion over this world. Basically, since we wanted to be like Gods, we are. We control our own choices in life, no? Sadly some people choose to harm others.

Christians choose to try and rebuild that lost relationship with God.

Now you, tell me where the first cell came from. Why is it only the Christians who will give explanations?....if this was a presidential debate, I think it would have been over long ago with so much dogging by one side....

 

[Hurleyboy05]

on the contrary, I actually love science, chemistry, biology mainly. I love psychology as well.

never has anything pointed in the direction that God doesnt exist...

I do not believe blindly, because I test my convictions daily. You dont think I never cried out "Why God WHY!!!"

Do you in turn, believe way to blindly in what men with white coats put in books for you?

dont doctors know best....you know, the only way you can get healed is through their techniques and medicine....untill you realize the only thing wrong with you is you needed to double your water intake....but they had you listed as having 5 different diseases? .....

Preach it man. I was raised for 19 of my 22 years of life as a christian. There is no "blindly" in my choice of beliefs. It comes mostly from experience and extreme religious let downs.

EDIT: You seem to be avoiding my other question

 

[dsade]

My respect for Supersize grows larger with almost every other post.

Agreed...some people, even with divergent views...at least are willing to try to engage rationally - even going so far as to admit "I don't know" or, "yeah, it doesn't make much sense, though I won't scrap my beliefs".

Though I might not count on such people when completely sound judgment puts my life or property at risk, at least the desire to learn is there.

 

[whiskers]

Now you, tell me where the first cell came from. Why is it only the Christians who will give explanations?....if this was a presidential debate, I think it would have been over long ago with so much dogging by one side....

Christians offer no explanation. They just say "God did it"

Thats like Palin saying she'll "fix the economy" without ever saying how (because she doesnt know how lol).


I know where the first cell didnt come from :whip:

 

[dsade]

I know where the first cell didnt come from :whip:

Guantanimo Bay?

 

[Hurleyboy05]

Agreed...some people, even with divergent views...at least are willing to try to engage rationally - even going so far as to admit "I don't know" or, "yeah, it doesn't make much sense, though I won't scrap my beliefs".

Though I might not count on such people when completely sound judgment puts my life or property at risk, at least the desire to learn is there.

Its just refreshing to see open-mindedness on that side of the spectrum. I'm still open to the possibility of a higher power, even though currently I do not believe it to be so.

 

[Zero V]

I really wish I could get a straight answer from a christian about just one question:

If god is all knowing, all powerful, and in total control, then why... Why did he decide to create angels, knowing full well that Lucifer would change and become "evil" and then go on to let an entire race of human beings suffer for this? If he knew this was going to happen (all knowing) then why not just not create angels in the first place? Why let all this happen and have things like rape, murder, abuse, violence happen??

lets do it this way. When the first store was opened, was they worried about being robbed....no.

This is my belief on that. Well, here is a reasonable exp.

You are in a room, and there are robots you created around you. Now lets say within this room there is a box, in which you control everything. Eco, creation, events. You control everything in that box, and you give it symbiotic AI life. You have contorl over everything in that box because it is contained. In the world around, with robots with AI, outside the box, you arent really mindful of wheter or not one will fritz out and attack you or something...no? and if it does you can solve that issue.But until then, its not on your mind.

Lets apply angels to this and man. Angels on the same plane as God, and he gave trust to them. THen humans created in a controlled state.

see how that works?

It was a battle, when lucifer and God faught. The bible doesnt say how long it took, or what it was like.

So, think of him being cast out of the room, like a drunk at a party.....

But he has a wifi connection to your box. Now he can influence and affect your invoroment. He makes your creations rebel, and because they chose him over you, you allow them to fall to their fate.....

Now you still love your creations, so you dont destroy the box, but let it go on. You help out every once in awhile, but are thinking of a way to fix this issue. So you develop a firewall.... And begin to track, while he begins to hack.....

this can go on.

but hows that for an explanation that your mind should be able to deal with....

Trust me when I say that is in no way backed up by another christian unless they say so lol.

Like I said, I love science, but i see it as the tool it is.....

 

[Zero V]

Zero, will you being the "answer man" please give my question at the end of the last page an answer.

done.....

 

[Hurleyboy05]

While your example was a good one, it goes against your beliefs. You are speaking as if the designer is human like, able to fail by human error. If god is as great and perfect as people perceive him to be, then he should be incapable of failing - incapable of errors. He should have seen this WAY before it was even close to being a reality.

Also, you say he's letting us stay around because he loves us. If he truly loves us, why are we sitting here suffering for hundreds/millions/billions years? If he's all powerful, can he not think of a good way to fix his mess?

 

[Zero V]

Edit

heh, I saw before you edited. Do you prefer your shoe salty, or muddy?


I aint your average joe.... I am a scientific person by nature. Its why I know Gods real.

btw, as with that explanation, it was a rought outline. The betrayel like I state happened before man, SO it was kinda like throwing the guy out of the house, then making the box....then he stars the junk

 

[dsade]

and what about the child that was returned, or found miraculous? Or where a cop for some random reason pulled over a van, he doesnt know why, that had a kidnap victim in it?

for every clain you make, there is an equal opposite one, just as you do it me.... except I TRY TO ANSWER questions.

dsade, you have never once answered mine...you avoid it like the guy he likes to take pot shots, but cant handle a real fight...

every threads the same....you complain, throw up excuses, throw up bad things, but never respond in a way like we do.... really makes me find your posts as strong as that of someone who has been hurt, and is just swinging wildly.....

So why does the all-powerful not save them all? Or pick the important things - not saving a deer?

You don't try to answer questions, you spew unsupported, out of touch fantasies, then refuse to address those things that wouldl unhinge your viewpoint.

Now let's try again, because honestly this should be the FIRST step in any such discussion - DEFINE YOUR TERMS.

Step 1 - describe this god you speak of, so we know what it is eachother is discussing. I don't want you to direct me to a book, I want you to NOTE with detail, at least 5 descriptive qualities that embody the essence of your god...something to clarify what you are talking about.

Without this first crucial step, words are just hurled into the wind back and forth.

 

[Rick28]

Dude, are you serious? All dsade's arguments have been quite applicable and his comparisons are spot on. This comment makes you sound like just another brain washed, close-minded, christian fool who is unwilling to give others' views even a possible chance.

I can't believe how ridiculous you sound, yet you don't even see it. I guess if I believed in an invisible, unloving, almighty (yet incapable) "being", then maybe I would understand you better.

Yes I am serious and by the way... get off dsade's penis.

 

[Hurleyboy05]

Yes I am serious and by the way... get off dsade's penis.

That right there, is why you're posts in this thread are worthless. You were called out, you know you were wrong, so what the first thing you do? Hurdle an insult, instead of trying to explain. (a fairly average christian like move actually)

You're definitely gonna be changing minds about religion like that, I'm just not sure if it's the way you mean too.

 

[Zero V]

While your example was a good one, it goes against your beliefs. You are speaking as if the designer is human like, able to fail by human error. If god is as great and perfect as people perceive him to be, then he should be incapable of failing - incapable of errors. He should have seen this WAY before it was even close to being a reality.

Also, you say he's letting us stay around because he loves us. If he truly loves us, why are we sitting here suffering for hundreds/millions/billions years? If he's all powerful, can he not think of a good way to fix his mess?

God has anger, jealousy, vengeance. WE AR GETTING WHAT WE WANTED. we wanted to be in control, so he gave it to us, set up a plan for when we fail, which we currently are(look at the world), and is waiting to recover those who choose to obey in the end, while letting the rebel rousers fall away.

I believe God is a father to me, and I cant comprehend it all. I will let you know when I die and am talking to him....

Ok...lets say you have a kid, you love your son with all your heart. But there are rules made, laws. He breaks them, and as a result has to go to prison, and you have to send him via the laws you yourself made..... you still love him, but to be truthful and true to your word, the laws must be held true. This is mans current state. Think of mankind as a whole, as a single child....

So mankind as a whole is paying its dues....

 

[Zero V]

That right there, is why you're posts in this thread are worthless. You were called out, you know you were wrong, so what the first thing you do? Hurdle an insult, instead of trying to explain. (a fairly average christian like move actually)

You're definitely gonna be changing minds about religion like that, I'm just not sure if it's the way you mean too.

Christians arent perfect. We feel anger, trust me there is plenty I wanted to type I didnt.

I dont support the choice of words.. but I support him.

 

[Hurleyboy05]

God has anger, jealousy, vengeance. WE AR GETTING WHAT WE WANTED. we wanted to be in control, so he gave it to us, set up a plan for when we fail, which we currently are(look at the world), and is waiting to recover those who choose to obey in the end, while letting the rebel rousers fall away.

I believe God is a father to me, and I cant comprehend it all. I will let you know when I die and am talking to him....

Ok...lets say you have a kid, you love your son with all your heart. But there are rules made, laws. He breaks them, and as a result has to go to prison, and you have to send him via the laws you yourself made..... you still love him, but to be truthful and true to your word, the laws must be held true. This is mans current state. Think of mankind as a whole, as a single child....

So mankind as a whole is paying its dues....

You're still skirting the actual question though. Before humans were even a physical thing, before earth and angels, "all knowing" god should have seen this coming - Way before ANYTHING, so why didn't he redesign it then, so none of this would ever happened?

 

[Zero V]

You're still skirting the actual question though. Before humans were even a physical thing, before earth and angels, "all knowing" god should have seen this coming - Way before ANYTHING, so why didn't he redesign it then, so none of this would ever happened?

well to start off, I have a unique view, which some christians may not like, but I am me. But most agree it makes sense....

God is the top of the vertical ascension, so whats going ot be going on horizontally. Maybe the rules were different with the angels. Maybe at that time, since it was in the same realm, he couldnt see what he does now. Like I said, remember the box, he is all knowing of whats inside because its contained.

On his equal level, in his realm, maybe angels had a free run of it. He didnt pay mind to being all knowing. Then after the fact, he made sure he was all knowing the next tim eround. And took the current people in the "house" and took away their free will...um...made them join the marines so to speak..

God is God....i dont know his past atm, lemme wiki it..LOL...accept that I am human.

And dsade, I am working on yours. I am thinking of how to explain it to such an antagonistic disbeliever.

 

[Rick28]

Tell me my friend....one of the arguments for god is that everything had to have had a creator. Where did god come from? Are you one of those guys that believe that this guy just always existed, sat around for half an eternity, then suddenly farted just at the right time as he sneezed and this magical being suddenly created the entire universe and men from nothingness?

And theories merely state that "so far, every piece of observed data and all phenomenon point to support this conclusion...so unless and until something is observed or found COUNTER to that conclusion, we will use this as the most accurate model of reality". Science never states anything as fact, nor guarantees.

What's more ridiculous is buying that there was matter gathered into a dot in outer space and it exploded creating the the planets, sun and moon. Can someone say...fairytale.

 

[whiskers]

I believe God is a father to me, and I cant comprehend it all. I will let you know when I die and am talking to him....

seems more like the sperm donor type than a dad.

Death is THE END. You wont know you're dead. Sufficient electrical activity to sustain conciousness will cease, and you, the machine that you are, will turn off. Death cannot rightly be feared, because it is the ceasation of life. Time is the enemy. Savor it.



Even if death werent the end, You couldnt tell us anything. We'll be too busy burning in hell

 

[Rick28]

Oh my f*cking....science.

Please take a video next time your pastor heals a broken bone on the spot. I'd LOVE to see it. .....and take a vid of you flying.

Tv preachers are known for trying to heal people right before your eyes, it's so fake!

 

[Tyler1]

Tell me my friend....one of the arguments for god is that everything had to have had a creator. Where did god come from? Are you one of those guys that believe that this guy just always existed, sat around for half an eternity, then suddenly farted just at the right time as he sneezed and this magical being suddenly created the entire universe and men from nothingness?

And theories merely state that "so far, every piece of observed data and all phenomenon point to support this conclusion...so unless and until something is observed or found COUNTER to that conclusion, we will use this as the most accurate model of reality". Science never states anything as fact, nor guarantees.

This is one of the biggest struggles I've had, we are going to try explain things in terms of creation, we have no grasp of infinity, that is where God is.

We know we can split atoms into quarks, into strings etc...we know there is always going to be something smaller and there ALWAYS is going to be something smaller right, we do no there is a beginning but we are nover going to get to it...the flaw in trying to find the beginning in science or in religion. We can't grasp it.

This is not to serious just winging it out there for thought.

 

[Rick28]

Was the child that got raped, tortured and murdered ugly or something? Why not save all the kids. Maybe there is a divine purpose behind a child getting its brains f*cked out by some creep in a van eh?

This is a straw man argument. The point is that we DO NOT live in a perfect world because of sin. All of this will pass when the Lord (that you don't believe in) returns to set up his kingdom on earth.

 

[Zero V]

I will take care of continueing this tomorrow.... I been up since 5....and I only had 4 hours of sleep....

Will pick up where I left off. Cant do the hard ones without brain juice.

 

[Rick28]

seems more like the sperm donor type than a dad.

Death is THE END. You wont know you're dead. Sufficient electrical activity to sustain conciousness will cease, and you, the machine that you are, will turn off. Death cannot rightly be feared, because it is the ceasation of life. Time is the enemy. Savor it.



Even if death werent the end, You couldnt tell us anything. We'll be too busy burning in hell

Yes you will burn in the hell you don't believe in. It's not too late though, you can still repent. Let me lead you in prayer. :thumbsup: