Russians ecdysterone Injectable log

poopypants said:
Many herbals are water soluble though, dont know why ecdy would be different :think:
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The solubility of a compound is not derived from it's source, but it's chemical nature. Ecdysterone has a cholesterol-like backbone, which is not hydrophilic.

It is more likely soluble in ethanol.
 
russianstar said:
I thankyou for your concern, however i have also done my degree in chemistry, i have used enough compounds to recognize a pump as being what it is, nitrogen retention in the muscle cell.
Also edyc dissolves wonderfully in water, remember the process i use for purifying the water renders the water 98 percent pure, the percentage of bacteria believed to survive this process, doesnt withstand 100c boiling point.
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I am not trying to be condescending, I truly don't wish to see someone hurt doing this, but this is wrong. I am a microbiologist. I work with bacteria and fungi all day long. NUMEROUS organisms can withstand boiling water. To sterilize our supplies, we autoclave them at a minimum of 121C for 15 minutes under pressure. Spore-forming organisms can withstand a heat shock, in fact heat shocks are used to put them back into a vegetative state.

Next, i am baking the edyc, and as such hoping to eliminate as much bacteria as possible, without damaging the actual compound, or causing degradation.
As i am fully aware that injection means you pass all your natual biological defences, i take the utmost care to look after my body and organism.
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But you are doing this in a very risky manner. You boil the water and bake the extract SEPARATELY. The smarter, but still risky process, would be to mix the two, THEN heat the end product. Treating the two separately and then combining the two allows for too much time for recontamination to occur. Air is not sterile. Your glassware is not sterile. Your hands are not sterile.

If you were to inject water into a muscle it dissperse very quickly, however the effects i am seeing last for days, plus an increase in muscle stamina, and strength, are not the effects of water, its a well known fact water isnt anabolic, and ive never read any studies supporting an increase in strength or stamina after injecting water.
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No one is arguing that the ecdysterone is not possibly having an effect, but this is not the point. Ecdysterone is NOT water soluble. The Merck Index states that crystals of ecysterone can be recovered using water. If you wish to see, put the powder in the hot water and then let it sit for a while. When it cools it will precipitate out. If it doesn't, its not ecdysterone.

Thankyou for your thoughts, and you do not have to follow along, as i will continue anyway.
Thanks Russian
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I am not trying to combative, I just don't want to see anyone getting a massive infection doing something like this.
 
You both are obviously really intelligent with this stuff...

My only concern is Russian's safety. Unfortunately I can't weight in, because I'd sound like a retard.
 
TimberLakers said:
So you recommend widow makers at a 6 to 8 rep max?

How long does 20 reps take you?

With 225, I could see one set taking me 6 minutes, because that sh*t gets heavy for me...
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:toofunny: No. It won't take that long. But it does take a little while. Between reps 8-12 you'll be slowing down to rest-pause the rest of the reps to 20. But you just take a couple of deep breaths between each rep or 2 more until you finally reach that 20th rep where your lungs are aflame and your heart is pounding wildly!! :twisted:
 
thundergod said:
Invalid Link Removed Russian, I found something I thought you might be interested in. Or, try this one. They're both the same thing. Invalid Link Removed Check it out bro.
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Thanks bro!!!!!! Reps, interesting stuff, but i cant find it again now because the link seems to have died.:frustrate
 
micro2000 said:
I am not trying to be condescending, I truly don't wish to see someone hurt doing this, but this is wrong. I am a microbiologist. I work with bacteria and fungi all day long. NUMEROUS organisms can withstand boiling water. To sterilize our supplies, we autoclave them at a minimum of 121C for 15 minutes under pressure. Spore-forming organisms can withstand a heat shock, in fact heat shocks are used to put them back into a vegetative state.



But you are doing this in a very risky manner. You boil the water and bake the extract SEPARATELY. The smarter, but still risky process, would be to mix the two, THEN heat the end product. Treating the two separately and then combining the two allows for too much time for recontamination to occur. Air is not sterile. Your glassware is not sterile. Your hands are not sterile.



No one is arguing that the ecdysterone is not possibly having an effect, but this is not the point. Ecdysterone is NOT water soluble. The Merck Index states that crystals of ecysterone can be recovered using water. If you wish to see, put the powder in the hot water and then let it sit for a while. When it cools it will precipitate out. If it doesn't, its not ecdysterone.



I am not trying to combative, I just don't want to see anyone getting a massive infection doing something like this.
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Ok bro, ive read numerous articles saying ecdy is water soluble, however after your advice, i shall mix the 2 together, then heat them, i dont touch the edcy or the glassware after its steralised by the way, everything is done in extremely sterile conditions, my brother has a lab, but, i do think what you say is very wise, and i will try and think of a way of mixing the solution differently.
Also i will purchase an alchohol solution and try a mix like this, i greatly appreciate your help here, sorry for my spelling mistakes, thankyou again Russian
 
TimberLakers said:
You both are obviously really intelligent with this stuff...

My only concern is Russian's safety. Unfortunately I can't weight in, because I'd sound like a retard.
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LOL, i dont think you would bro, and again i do appreciate your concern, maybe im the retard trying this?
 
thundergod said:
:toofunny: No. It won't take that long. But it does take a little while. Between reps 8-12 you'll be slowing down to rest-pause the rest of the reps to 20. But you just take a couple of deep breaths between each rep or 2 more until you finally reach that 20th rep where your lungs are aflame and your heart is pounding wildly!! :twisted:
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X2 you feel like you cant even gasp, your lungs just want to explode everything burns!!! Yearn for the burn, and grow.
 
russianstar said:
X2 you feel like you cant even gasp, your lungs just want to explode everything burns!!! Yearn for the burn, and grow.
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Your lungs only ? There'd be so much damn pressure in my head, I swear, I'd start bleeding out my eyes, ears and nose . . . :aargh:
 
Ecdysterone

Molecular Weight: 480 Da.
Melting Point: 240-242C.
Solubility in: soluble in alcohol (25 mg / ml at 25C. ) , water (10 mg / ml at 25C. ) .
Toxicity (LD50) : mice (orally) : 9 450 mg / KG.
Storage recommendations: Stable in dry state; store at + 4C, in dark place.
CAS Reg. No. : 5289-74-7
 
micro2000 said:
Ecdysterone

Molecular Weight: 480 Da.
Melting Point: 240-242C.
Solubility in: soluble in alcohol (25 mg / ml at 25C. ) , water (10 mg / ml at 25C. ) .
Toxicity (LD50) : mice (orally) : 9 450 mg / KG.
Storage recommendations: Stable in dry state; store at + 4C, in dark place.
CAS Reg. No. : 5289-74-7
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Thankyou again, that information has just made this experiment more promising, ive heard about the toxicity level in mice, but the solubility of ecdy is very very helpfull, thankyou bro, appreciated, again!!!:goodpost::goodpost::goodpost::goodpost::goodpost::goodpost::goodpost:
 
DAY 12

Well i spent all night near enough traveling to a pharmacy where i know a guy, who knows a guy, if you know what i mean, and picked up some Ethanol, next i took it back to my brothers lab, phoned a friend and he prepared the mixture, based on the info from micro 2000.
So i ended up with 3 10ml vials of 200mg edcy per ml, slightly cloudy, and i have to shake them before use, plus i got a special vial storage container, it didnt cost me too much, because my brothers friend owed me a few favours, so now we are all set!!! Hopefully this will set all you guys at ease.
I injected my left outer quad today, but wont be training as i missed nearly the whole nights sleep, so will try and knap through the day, so it looks like we are set to continue, so no more worrying guys, even though its nice you show so much concern!!! Russian
 
Steveoph said:
Reminds me how I want to get some pure ethanol to dissolve my resveratrol in so I can dose it sublingually. Good luck with this Russian :)
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Thanks again for your support bro!!!! You will be safe if you ever some to russia!!:bruce1:
 
russianstar said:
DAY 12

Well i spent all night near enough traveling to a pharmacy where i know a guy, who knows a guy, if you know what i mean, and picked up some Ethanol, next i took it back to my brothers lab, phoned a friend and he prepared the mixture, based on the info from micro 2000.
So i ended up with 3 10ml vials of 200mg edcy per ml, slightly cloudy, and i have to shake them before use, plus i got a special vial storage container, it didnt cost me too much, because my brothers friend owed me a few favours, so now we are all set!!! Hopefully this will set all you guys at ease.
I injected my left outer quad today, but wont be training as i missed nearly the whole nights sleep, so will try and knap through the day, so it looks like we are set to continue, so no more worrying guys, even though its nice you show so much concern!!! Russian
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I feel my mind is more at ease now bro. Better safe than sorry. Always.
It's a shame you and steveoph have such a hard time obtaining ethanol where you guys live. Here where I live in the southeastern United States I can drive 10 miles to a package store and choose from many inexpensive brands.
 
Steveoph said:
Reminds me how I want to get some pure ethanol to dissolve my resveratrol in so I can dose it sublingually. Good luck with this Russian :)
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wouldnt this still require some cyclo or the like?

I think the fact that it dissolves well in ethanol means its lipophylic, the membranes in your mouth and nose (for sprays) are hydrophilic and require a carrier if you wish to have a lipophilic substance pass through... dunno what dissolving it in alcohol/ethanol would do for increasing absorption... thought it wouldnt do much but I may be wrong.
 
poopypants said:
wouldnt this still require some cyclo or the like?

I think the fact that it dissolves well in ethanol means its lipophylic, the membranes in your mouth and nose (for sprays) are hydrophilic and require a carrier if you wish to have a lipophilic substance pass through... dunno what dissolving it in alcohol/ethanol would do for increasing absorption... thought it wouldnt do much but I may be wrong.
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I think your right, i heard of somone making some sublingual deer antler velvet extract, but got absaloutley nothing from it, because there was no carrier in place, il do a search and see what i can find?
 
I found out you can use Sodium Benzoate, as a carrier for anything water soluble, does that help? reservatrol is water soluble, but i dont know how soluble? Yeah im a great help here i know, but its out of my field of knowledge, i was going to say expertise but didnt want to get to carried away.
 
TimberLakers said:
You both are obviously really intelligent with this stuff...

My only concern is Russian's safety. Unfortunately I can't weight in, because I'd sound like a retard.
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Yeah, just for the record, I'm still following along. It's just that sometimes it's better not to even open your mouth... :lol:
 
russianstar said:
I found out you can use Sodium Benzoate, as a carrier for anything water soluble, does that help? reservatrol is water soluble, but i dont know how soluble? Yeah im a great help here i know, but its out of my field of knowledge, i was going to say expertise but didnt want to get to carried away.
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the only reason youd need a carrier for a water soluble substance is for application on the dermis as its a lipophilic membrane....

With something like res/ecdy/and steroid or prohormone (all lipophilic) you need something that will dissolve/surround the compound with a hydrophilic covering so it can pass though the membrane.

Where as something that is hyrophilic would need a different type of carrier to get it to pass through the skin as its lipophilic, thats why many PH's even res are administered transdermally as they are already lipophilic and can easily pass through the dermis dissolved in a simple carrier.
 
poopypants said:
the only reason youd need a carrier for a water soluble substance is for application on the dermis as its a lipophilic membrane....

With something like res/ecdy/and steroid or prohormone (all lipophilic) you need something that will dissolve/surround the compound with a hydrophilic covering so it can pass though the membrane.

Where as something that is hyrophilic would need a different type of carrier to get it to pass through the skin as its lipophilic, thats why many PH's even res are administered transdermally as they are already lipophilic and can easily pass through the dermis dissolved in a simple carrier.
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Thanks bro, good info!!! So i will just make a reservatrol transdermal with DMS cream, and place that under my tounge problem solved!

That was a joke, im not really.
 
VolcomX311 said:
This is a very exciting and innovative log! :thumbsup:
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Thankyou that means a lot coming from you, again thanks to everyone for the help and concern ive recieved while running this log so far, with your help i think weve nailed the way to inject the ecdy.
 
MAJOR UPDATE

I think weve got this off to a T as they say, and i feel a difference after the last injection, it is hard to explain but here goes, I had like a hot feeling in the quad muscle after injecting, then i noticed that the muscle pumped easily even when walking upstairs, But the funniest thing was that i had a tingly feeling in the muscle, like something was happening in the muscle, i have never experienced this before, and it was kinda cool, so we will see if it continues.

Weight update = 207lb so still plus 1lb, wich i think could well be lbm, no water retention, but definite nitrogen retention in the muscles, and a more vascular appearance, ive increased calories slightly, so we will see what happens, nothing dramatic so far.
 
DAY 13

Hey guys well it was kind of a depressing day, as i missed out on representing one of the companies i completely trust, and to top that off, it was my wedding anniversary, and i got food posoining.
Spent most of the day in hospital, and have just got home, i feel like ive been stuck on the bottom of somones shoe all day.
So i will still inject tommorow as today was a day off, but i dont know when i will be training, and how i will be able to eat, wich is worrying, i cant have anything at the moment other than, water, and some special tea the cleanses the body.
Sorry guys, i will continue this log, but this is a major setback for me, apparently i got some strain of samonella, i think in english thats how you say it, and it was from some eggs i ate at a restaraunt, worst thing is its owned by a friend, so i cant even think about compensation as his business has struggled of late, and he needs to look after his family, if i report this he will get closed down, so i phoned him, and he destroyed all his eggs, and contacted his supplier, i hope ive done the right thing.
Anyway im not really feeling like carrying on typing at the moment, as im feeling very weak and sick, some support here would be very much appreciated.
Ive been told to rest for 2 weeks, and eat a very basic diet, wich im very worried about, and im so angry because it ruined the day for my wife, but anyway, ive done my moaning for the day.
Please all take care guys, and thanks for your support. Russian
 
russianstar said:
MAJOR UPDATE

I think weve got this off to a T as they say, and i feel a difference after the last injection, it is hard to explain but here goes, I had like a hot feeling in the quad muscle after injecting, then i noticed that the muscle pumped easily even when walking upstairs, But the funniest thing was that i had a tingly feeling in the muscle, like something was happening in the muscle, i have never experienced this before, and it was kinda cool, so we will see if it continues.
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Sounds like your feeling the ethanol. I have used some "homebrew" mixes that contain ethanol and there was a similar warm, tingly feeling.
 
Sorry to hear of the unfortunate turn of events, Russian. Keep your head up in the meantime. I hope everything gets better soon.
 
Russian, take care of yourself and get better soon bro. You're too big and too strong to let this thing keep you down. Stay positive mentally like Volcom suggested. That's better than any medicine out there. The prayers of the Thundergod are going up to Hlidskialf (Odin's Throne) today for you. :box: Spend the day holding and loving your wife and little Darcha. Hold them close. They are what really matter most!! :thumbsup:
 
thundergod said:
Russian, take care of yourself and get better soon bro. You're too big and too strong to let this thing keep you down. Stay positive mentally like Volcom suggested. That's better than any medicine out there. The prayers of the Thundergod are going up to Hlidskialf (Odin's Throne) today for you. :box: Spend the day holding and loving your wife and little Darcha. Hold them close. They are what really matter most!! :thumbsup:
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Shadow
Sorry to hear of the unfortunate turn of events, Russian. Keep your head up in the meantime. I hope everything gets better soon.


Thankyou guys, i will do like you suggested, and keep focused on what matters most, and i will use this log to keep my motivation up, hopefully the edcy will help me to stay anabolic and not loose to much muscle.
Was wondering on some suggestions, im going to run cordyceps, 11-oxo, forskolin, l-dopa, l-carboxy, in a natty test cycle after this, i want to also use a named brand pre-workout stim, and log that, maybe one of the new ones, and maybe a named brand branch chain amino drink, plus LG sciences slin, and genera labz cissusdrol, any ideas on a synergistic combo, maybe piston what do you recommend from your company i could add to this.
Your ideas will really help, plus keep me focused during this miserable stage to my log. Thanks russian
 
Wishing you a speedy recovery buddy.

Shaddow and I both had some dank food last week - though not as severe as yours.
 
russianstar said:
Shadow
Sorry to hear of the unfortunate turn of events, Russian. Keep your head up in the meantime. I hope everything gets better soon.


Thankyou guys, i will do like you suggested, and keep focused on what matters most, and i will use this log to keep my motivation up, hopefully the edcy will help me to stay anabolic and not loose to much muscle.
Was wondering on some suggestions, im going to run cordyceps, 11-oxo, forskolin, l-dopa, l-carboxy, in a natty test cycle after this, i want to also use a named brand pre-workout stim, and log that, maybe one of the new ones, and maybe a named brand branch chain amino drink, plus LG sciences slin, and genera labz cissusdrol, any ideas on a synergistic combo, maybe piston what do you recommend from your company i could add to this.
Your ideas will really help, plus keep me focused during this miserable stage to my log. Thanks russian
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brand name pre-workout drink- superpump 250, NO3 overload, and ive heard a lot of people like JP8
name brand bcaa drink-def xtend(im just got some dcp and im stacking with x-factor, also taking superpump, activate xtreme pre-workout ive find very effective although i dont take it every day, im also taking cissus and a bunch of adaptogenic herbs.)

i think dcp would stack well with cissusdrol to promote fatloss

feel better
 
russianstar said:
DAY 13

Hey guys well it was kind of a depressing day, as i missed out on representing one of the companies i completely trust, and to top that off, it was my wedding anniversary, and i got food posoining.
Spent most of the day in hospital, and have just got home, i feel like ive been stuck on the bottom of somones shoe all day.
So i will still inject tommorow as today was a day off, but i dont know when i will be training, and how i will be able to eat, wich is worrying, i cant have anything at the moment other than, water, and some special tea the cleanses the body.
Sorry guys, i will continue this log, but this is a major setback for me, apparently i got some strain of samonella, i think in english thats how you say it, and it was from some eggs i ate at a restaraunt, worst thing is its owned by a friend, so i cant even think about compensation as his business has struggled of late, and he needs to look after his family, if i report this he will get closed down, so i phoned him, and he destroyed all his eggs, and contacted his supplier, i hope ive done the right thing.
Anyway im not really feeling like carrying on typing at the moment, as im feeling very weak and sick, some support here would be very much appreciated.
Ive been told to rest for 2 weeks, and eat a very basic diet, wich im very worried about, and im so angry because it ruined the day for my wife, but anyway, ive done my moaning for the day.
Please all take care guys, and thanks for your support. Russian
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So sorry to hear that, man ! Hopefully you'll be able to chow down most of your meals. Perhaps consider some POWER protein shakes full of goodies, unless you just spill it right back up. Wish you the best and a rapid recovery, friend !
 
ari4216 said:
brand name pre-workout drink- superpump 250, NO3 overload, and ive heard a lot of people like JP8
name brand bcaa drink-def xtend(im just got some dcp and im stacking with x-factor, also taking superpump, activate xtreme pre-workout ive find very effective although i dont take it every day, im also taking cissus and a bunch of adaptogenic herbs.)

i think dcp would stack well with cissusdrol to promote fatloss

feel better
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Thanks bro, i will look into those, sounds like some nice stuff to give a try, and thanks for the support!!
 
vikinginc said:
So sorry to hear that, man ! Hopefully you'll be able to chow down most of your meals. Perhaps consider some POWER protein shakes full of goodies, unless you just spill it right back up. Wish you the best and a rapid recovery, friend !
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Thanks bro, yeah im hoping when no ones looking i can mix up some shakes, and smoothies, and get a way with it, but my missus has eyes like a hawk...:frustrate
 
DAY 14

Ok i just injected my right bicep, 14 days since i injected it last time, so i hope that everything will be ok, no chance of scarring, etc.
Had that tingly sensation again, so yeah it could be the ethanol, but felt a bit nauseas afterwards, just because my organism is trying to fight the bacteria in my gut, so had a sit down, and contemplated why i ate eggs out...grrrr,
But now anyway things hopefully will get better soon, i mixed up carrott and apple juice when no one was looking, and ate 2 protein bars, wich im not supposed to, but i didnt feel any adverse effects, so hopefully il get over this before the 2 weeks are up, and i can continue training.
Thanks to everyone for support here too, what a great bunch of guys you all are!!!
Final thing, even after the food poisoning, i still have nice pumps and still feel very strong in my muscle contractions, so im hoping the ecdy is helping. Thanks and much love Russian
 
A set back is just an obstacle waiting for it to be conquered. Looking forward to continue reading your log RussianStar.
 
grila jujitsu said:
Russian where in Russia are you from?

Part of my family is from Belarus.

Thanks
GJJ
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Awesome bro, im from near belarus, daugavpills, the russian capital of latvia, im like 10 mins from belarus.
Thats cool, your part of my family bro!!!!
 
liquid said:
A set back is just an obstacle waiting for it to be conquered. Looking forward to continue reading your log RussianStar.
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Why do we fall? to see how we get back up, thanks for that philisophical viewpoint bro i shall meditate upon it as i recover my physical well being.
 
sorry so late with the response russian and unfortunate you had to deal with that food poisoning bout, youll get thru youre a strong mf'er. I would suggest Bulletproof but you look like you will be taking ldopa n 1carboxy so I would suggest Battle Fuel, it is really working for me post cycle. Our formulations have just the right amount of ingredients ratioed and tested with omegawave technology, top of the line stuff. There is no doubt in my mind that with MP you get the best quality.
 
pistonpump said:
sorry so late with the response russian and unfortunate you had to deal with that food poisoning bout, youll get thru youre a strong mf'er. I would suggest Bulletproof but you look like you will be taking ldopa n 1carboxy so I would suggest Battle Fuel, it is really working for me post cycle. Our formulations have just the right amount of ingredients ratioed and tested with omegawave technology, top of the line stuff. There is no doubt in my mind that with MP you get the best quality.
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Since it's not being put out anymore and was pulled, can you say what was in wreckage that made them decide not to release it? It doesn't make sense to me why they would pull a natty t boosting product.
 
bassgod272 said:
Since it's not being put out anymore and was pulled, can you say what was in wreckage that made them decide not to release it? It doesn't make sense to me why they would pull a natty t boosting product.
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no it wasnt natty at all....natty t booster would be Battle Fuel. Wrekage had 2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallocholan-17b-ol AKA... epistane compound in it. So I will have to ask the owner but i think designers will not be done by MP, we'll see. i was really excited about that one too but rest assured youll see some new things to start off 2009!
 
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