Matt Damon - Palin

Just because he IS famous doesn't mean that his opinion is any less important than yours or mine. Especially if he was asked. It's also absurd to assume that celebrity=no political idea.

That being said, I could follow his concerns, even if I don't share them, until he threw in the religious concern and pushing a nuclear 'button'
 
Jayhawkk said:
Just because he IS famous doesn't mean that his opinion is any less important than yours or mine.
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That's the point, kind of.
The problem that bothers people is that the media portrays his opinion as more important. Why else would this story be all over the media? Shouldn't my opinion get some national news coverage?
 
Not really, you and I don't have the attention of as many people. However, you can easily put your **** on youtube :)

Scale down your concerns to something you and I might have in common with actors. In social circle you're valued in, do you get more 'time and attention' that another person that isn't held as highly as you are? Hell, use this board as an example. Some people here have more of a voice that people will listen to than someone else who may have better advice but isn't known yet.

I have no problem with them getting more exposure. I have a problem with people automatically thinking their ideas have merit based soley off their celebrity status.
 
If opinions are anything like *******s, there would probably be more interviews with gay pornstars.
 
Damn you Hurley! I was gonna post that!

Matt Damon
 
here is another crazy video i dont know if ut has been posted here

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Yeah, its so awesome...its "dinosaurs".
 
futurepilot said:
So you want someone who thinks the world is 6,000 years old running the country? That sounds like a rational human being capable of sound judgement....
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You do understand that JFK was Catholic don't you?
 
I would be willing to take an uneducated guess and say the majority of the US presidents believed in God and that the world was only a few thousand years old. I would also be more worried about other beliefs to consider them of sound judgement moreso than the world's birthdate.
 
well isint it better to believe what the majority do or else u wont be accepted by the majority of people (look at u like a wacko?)
 
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mr j said:
well isint it better to believe what the majority do or else u wont be accepted by the majority of people (look at u like a wacko?)
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No. That kind of thinking gets you listening to pop music, eating fast food and buying country albums.
 
What kind of state is the US electoral system in when the number 1 topic about the candidates is religion?!

AFAIK, in the US there are rules separating church and state, they're there for a reason.

I'm from the UK and whilst i'm sure that if a Muslim was running for Prime Minister then yes that fact would get media attention but it wouldn't cause this mass uproar that the CHANCE the Barrack Obama being a muslim seems to be in the US.

Is the fact that he is black, a heavily debated issue? what about that Palin is a woman, is this causing large advertising campaigns of "dont vote for her, she's a WOMAN". No, because its sexist. So why is a person's religion such a happily discussed thing?
 
Because it's bound to be something and sexism and racism is fround upon. They can discuss particulars in a religion and make it sound like it's based on intelligent reasoning... In some cases, it's a legit concern.

Black !=Fanatic/Lunatic
Woman!=Fanatic/Lunatic
Certain religions/parts of a religion=Fanatic/Lunatic
 
The Media actually gave a shit about Britney Spears's opinion about wanting the rest of the US to support Bush in all of his decisions as President, even his decision to go to war with Iraq.
 
TruffleShuffle said:
What kind of state is the US electoral system in when the number 1 topic about the candidates is religion?!

AFAIK, in the US there are rules separating church and state, they're there for a reason.

I'm from the UK and whilst i'm sure that if a Muslim was running for Prime Minister then yes that fact would get media attention but it wouldn't cause this mass uproar that the CHANCE the Barrack Obama being a muslim seems to be in the US.

Is the fact that he is black, a heavily debated issue? what about that Palin is a woman, is this causing large advertising campaigns of "dont vote for her, she's a WOMAN". No, because its sexist. So why is a person's religion such a happily discussed thing?
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Reps for this obeservation.

The fact of the matter is that it is human nature to think that you are right/superior, and that people who are not like you are wrong/inferior.

In the US there exist certain protected "classes" that cannot be critically or honestly discussed (unless critical or honest discussion means to never mention anything that could be construed as being a negative trait or circumstance).

Some examples of these protected classes are as follows:

Women
Americans of African origin, both sexes
Homosexuals


This explains why race and sex are not being openly discussed as issues in the election, because there are thousands of PC police just waiting to make the charge of racism/sexism.

However religious Americans are not currently a protected class in the US. The PC police have pushed to make Muslims off limits, but they aren't there yet. But don't kid yourself it is always open season on Christians, and you can expect the criticism of a Christian candidate to come up in every election where one is running for office.

The hypocrisy of the situation is astounding, as the same people who routinely call for the "equal" and "fair" treatment of minorities, women, Muslims, homosexuals, are the same people who will attack someone for their Christian beliefs in a heartbeat.

Which brings us back full circle to my original point. It is human nature to believe that you are right and folks who do not believe as you are wrong, or at the very least not as correct as you. And you know what? There is nothing wrong with feeling this way. The problem comes in when you discriminate, abuse, and even publicly ridicule those who do not think as you do. But this will always be a problem, and this is why it is unfair to make "protected classes" unless of course you are willing to make everyone a "protected class".

Of course we could always just treat other people the way that we would like to be treated, but saying this is probably not allowed since this statement has been uttered by a controversial religious figure.
 
Dadof2 said:
However religious Americans are not currently a protected class in the US.
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Lets be clear about something, there is not discussion about sex and race because those aren't choices. Having an illogical, scientifically disputable, belief system is totally different.
 
TruffleShuffle said:
I'm from the UK and whilst i'm sure that if a Muslim was running for Prime Minister then yes that fact would get media attention but it wouldn't cause this mass uproar that the CHANCE the Barrack Obama being a muslim seems to be in the US.
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Barack obama maybe being muslim only scares those people who would never vote for him in the first place, so its really a non issue.

And if you live any were near london, then you know that a muslim prime minister would cause a sh!t storm of epic proportions, you cant tell me your country isn't segregated by race and religion.
 
futurepilot said:
Lets be clear about something, there is not discussion about sex and race because those aren't choices. Having an illogical, scientifically disputable, belief system is totally different.
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There is never a discussion about sex or race, forget the presidential election for a moment and look at the big picture.

If you say something that is not pc about a particular race you are a racist, if you say something that is not pc about a woman then you are a sexist.

Having a child and abandoning it is a choice, not a genetic trait, yet I would be a called a racist for pointing out the fact that this is more commonplace among African Americans as opposed to Asian Americans. This is an example of an issue not being discussed because in America the discussion of black issues by anyone outside of the black community is taboo.

This is a fact, and my point stands.
 
Dadof2 said:
There is never a discussion about sex or race, forget the presidential election for a moment and look at the big picture.

This is a fact, and my point stands.
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There is a lack of open discussion on nearly every topic you can think of from taxes to drugs, thats not the issue. Your mad because your a religous person trying to defend the religion you picked to follow.

I'm merely making an observation that just because palin bleeds out her vagina once a month, doesnt mean that she cant make a rational decision. And just because obama needs to moisturize constantly to keep from geting ashy, doesnt mean he cant think straight. But anyone who would be so thick as to believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, i wouldnt let them cut my lawn, much less run the country.
 
futurepilot said:
There is a lack of open discussion on nearly every topic you can think of from taxes to drugs, thats not the issue. Your mad because your a religous person trying to defend the religion you picked to follow.

I'm merely making an observation that just because palin bleeds out her vagina once a month, doesnt mean that she cant make a rational decision. And just because obama needs to moisturize constantly to keep from geting ashy, doesnt mean he cant think straight. But anyone who would be so thick as to believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, i wouldnt let them cut my lawn, much less run the country.
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At what point in this thread have I attempted to defend any religion? I simply pointed out the hypocrisy surrounding this issue.

Has Palin even gone on record as being a creationist? As far as I know she has said no such thing. I am a Christian, but I do not believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old. Faith in Christ has nothing to do with the age of the Earth. Apparantly by your definition I would not be a creationist, nor would Sarah Palin.
 
Dadof2 said:
At what point in this thread have I attempted to defend any religion? I simply pointed out the hypocrisy surrounding this issue.

Has Palin even gone on record as being a creationist? As far as I know she has said no such thing. I am a Christian, but I do not believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old. Faith in Christ has nothing to do with the age of the Earth. Apparantly by your definition I would not be a creationist, nor would Sarah Palin.
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She has not personally commented on the subject yet, to my knowledge. This started out as some harmless bashing of antiquated superstitions, and now you got me on a fact finding mission;)
 
futurepilot said:
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She has not personally commented on the subject yet, to my knowledge. This started out as some harmless bashing of antiquated superstitions, and now you got me on a fact finding mission;)
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What you call defending a religion, I call pointing out a glaring double standard.

After you finish bashing antiquated superstitions how bout you head over to a Black Panther forum and bash some of their beliefs, followed by a trip to the nearest Islamic forum and do some bashing of their superstions, and finally end the journey with a trip to a feminist website and bash some of their beliefs. :toofunny:
 
Dadof2 said:
At what point in this thread have I attempted to defend any religion? I simply pointed out the hypocrisy surrounding this issue.

Has Palin even gone on record as being a creationist? As far as I know she has said no such thing. I am a Christian, but I do not believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old. Faith in Christ has nothing to do with the age of the Earth. Apparantly by your definition I would not be a creationist, nor would Sarah Palin.
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Just expanding on what you said in bold.

In the book of Genesis, a day was an arbitrarily defined period of time. If you look at carbon dating, which makes the assumption that we know how much C14 was in the carbon-dated material at its point of origin, time is defined in SI units, where a day is defined as 24 hours. Take both with a grain of salt. We really don't know exactly how old the planet is.
 
Dadof2 said:
What you call defending a religion, I call pointing out a glaring double standard.

After you finish bashing antiquated superstitions how bout you head over to a Black Panther forum and bash some of their beliefs, followed by a trip to the nearest Islamic forum and do some bashing of their superstions, and finally end the journey with a trip to a feminist website and bash some of their beliefs. :toofunny:
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Not the same thing, equal rights is not similar to the richest corporations in the world (christian based religions).

And bashing may be a harsh word, how about pointing out how childish and ignorant some things(people) are.

About 20sec in, till the end. And yes i know im going to catch sh!t for the source of this example:sad:

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