The panther stack...its goin down!!
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pantherdude63
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I woke up at 5:20 a.m. took ap, woke up at 6 a.m. took in 43 carbs, took ap at 8 a.m. ate at 8 40 took in over 50 carbs almost all complex, took ap at 11 a.m. after workout, took in the same exact amount at 11 40 a.m. It wasnt awful but it wasnt pleasant either.:toilet:
metroba
Legend
okay theres your prob. Your waiting way to long to take in your carbs. Take your ap 15-20 mins before carb intake. and also your ap doses are too close together. Id take ap 15 mins pre w/o meal and 15 mins post w/o meal and then take anothe ap later in the day. AP is no joke and it has to be dosed properly.
pantherdude63
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My bad just going by the "ap manual" they say to: The natural sensitivity to carbohydrates those of you in this group experience requires a
longer acclimation process than the other groups. We feel it is best to start off with longer dosage
timing, combined with smaller amounts of carbohydrates in order to sensitize the body to
Anabolic Pump. In time, this group will be able to increase their carbohydrate levels, and
decrease their dose timing as more favorable reactions become apparent. As a result, we are
going to give suggestions which change over time as the user becomes more ‘carb-friendly’.
Consumers in this group will initially start off with two doses daily, and move up to three as they
become more acclimated to the product.
• Timing (Days 1-7 appx.,):
30-45 minutes prior to meals already planned to contain carbohydrates. We feel that for
Carb-Reactives, a similar approach must be taken to that of Non-Responsives to assist the
body in becoming acclimated to Anabolic Pump. Begin this timing schedule immediately,
paying attention to your reactions as you continue. If you find yourself becoming too
hungry, light-headed, or lethargic, decrease the timing to 15-20 minutes prior.
• Timing (Days 7 and on):
Adjust according to reaction. As said above, the best approach for Carb-Reactives is to
begin with a longer wait time and gauge the reaction through continued dosing. This
process is somewhat intuitive, basically a ‘you’ll know it when you feel it’ process.
• Carbohydrate Type and Level (Days 1-7):
20-40g of complex carbohydrates. For those of you who react unfavorably to
carbohydrates, it is important to begin with a measured response. Start off small and work
your way up. As with the timing, gauge your response, and only increase if no bloating,
and/or immediate fat gain occurs. As you begin to increase your carbohydrates, increase
in increments of roughly 10g/dose; or, in other words, on Day 1 you may be dosing 20g/dose, and increase that to 30g/dose on Day 3.
• Carbohydrate Type and Level (Day 7 and on):
40-60g according to progress. As with the timing, this is going to dependent on the users
themselves and will be somewhat intuitive. If you begin to see little fat gain, increased
endurance, and muscle mass, etc., than feel free to slowly increase the amount of carbohydrates as time passes
pantherdude63
Member
Ok bro will do thanks for all your help. If the sides dont subside I will cut the length i wait to take in carbs.:thumbsup:
RenegadeRows
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Yup... these guys have good advice. We'll help ya along the way, but your doing great so far. Keep up the good work bro!!!!
:bb3:
SokVichet
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Doing awesome man! Got some sick strength for your age.
Haha, at your age I was just reaching 6'2 and weighing no more than 135 pounds, only bumping to 145 by senior year ><. Have my 10-year reunion coming up, and I'm sure most will not recognize me at first lol.
It took me about a week or two to get my AP dosing right for myself, and after a full bottle had to change my dosing protocol as my body got much better at processing my carbs. I started with 15 min between dosing and meal, 25-30 grams carbs, and about 5 hours between dosing. I would get the familiar hypo response at first (I have always had hypo issues), but then that went away quickly. After about 2 bottles, I increased the time between dosing and meal to 25-30 min, with 35-50 grams of carbs (sometimes up to 50). I took a very patient and conservative path with my carbs on AP, and have been very happy with the results.
You'll get used to feeling out when to eat after your dose, as it seems to change a bit for me. Also, I sometimes have very productive bowel movements, to put it gently, after an AP dose. But that is very few and far between now. It does get better as your body adjusts.
Another thing. If you continue with AP, keep your first bottle and fill it a bit to keep around in case you forget. I have one bottle at home, one bottle at work, and a third in my wife's purse LOL. If my wife didn't like to look at my ass, I'd surely lose it without her attention, haha.
Haha, at your age I was just reaching 6'2 and weighing no more than 135 pounds, only bumping to 145 by senior year ><. Have my 10-year reunion coming up, and I'm sure most will not recognize me at first lol.
It took me about a week or two to get my AP dosing right for myself, and after a full bottle had to change my dosing protocol as my body got much better at processing my carbs. I started with 15 min between dosing and meal, 25-30 grams carbs, and about 5 hours between dosing. I would get the familiar hypo response at first (I have always had hypo issues), but then that went away quickly. After about 2 bottles, I increased the time between dosing and meal to 25-30 min, with 35-50 grams of carbs (sometimes up to 50). I took a very patient and conservative path with my carbs on AP, and have been very happy with the results.
You'll get used to feeling out when to eat after your dose, as it seems to change a bit for me. Also, I sometimes have very productive bowel movements, to put it gently, after an AP dose. But that is very few and far between now. It does get better as your body adjusts.
Another thing. If you continue with AP, keep your first bottle and fill it a bit to keep around in case you forget. I have one bottle at home, one bottle at work, and a third in my wife's purse LOL. If my wife didn't like to look at my ass, I'd surely lose it without her attention, haha.
pantherdude63
Member
Yea great post thanks a lot. I bought one bottle and then bought another when i placed an order for a friend so i kinda keep a couple of pills everywhere.lol I just tried to follow the manual as close as i could but you guys have thrown some new ideas in my head. havent had any problems so far today and definately wont ever take it that close together again. Idk what it was but i got sick as a mo fo yesterday afternoon with headaches and just an overall $hitty feeling. Im gonna run and do abs today. Thanks a ton for you guys helpin me out!:thumbsup:
metroba
Legend
Prob went hypo
pantherdude63
Member
Do you think its just because of taking it in that small time frame or am i waiting too long between taking it and eating? (im cutting that down to no more than 30 min from now until bottle 2)
SokVichet
Active member
Both really. Any more than 30 minutes, and I'd be falling on the floor with dizziness and lethargy when I first started. But I've always been prone to it. Now, I actually don't even get my usual symptoms when I miss a meal/snack! It's amazing, but I still try never to go more than 2.5 hours without food.
At first, keep your dosing at a minimum of 5 hours apart, and a max wait of 30 min. Feel it out, and adjust it as your body changes. At my current point, I can stack dosages almost on top of each other, where before I woulda regretted it, lol. For example, I dose in the morning with breakfast, then 5-6 hours later with preworkout meal. Workout an hour later, and then take another dose with my postworkout meal, which puts the time between doses at a max of 3 hours. I feel fine, and get a HUGE food pump on that second dose (which is nice cause I can feel my muscles stay tight and full even after the workout pump is gone, hehe).
I realize the double dosing isnt in the protocol, and because of that I wouldnt recommend it. I think I read of some larger guys double dosing or stacking doses at consecutive meals. What do you think about that guys?
pantherdude63
Member
I do about the same as far as eating every 2.5-3 hours. So you dont think i could take it pre and post workout? (i only workout about an hour)
SokVichet
Active member
haha i was answering that in an EDIT of my post, before I saw your question. My answer would be "No". Don't do that until you are very comfortable with AP. UNLESS your pre workout meal and post workout meal are about 5 hours apart. Not while you are experiencing those symptoms, anyways.
I take an immediate 50g protein / 40g WMS after a workout. Then my postworkout meal is about an hour or so after that depending on hunger.
pantherdude63
Member
Thanks dude mucho gracias!
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
sounds like hypo. yes sir. be careful panther ive never had it but read its not fun!
pantherdude63
Member
Im tryin. Feelin good today no sides to speak of...yet.lol :thumbsup:
RenegadeRows
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pantherdude63
Member
Good day today. No sides from the ap and that dc workout is a killer especially on the biceps! Still having trouble figuring out what to do for chest friday sorry metro dips are out i cant find anything to do them on thinking about doing wide grip bench...any thoughts?:think:
RenegadeRows
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You should figure a way to do dips man. Even if it's between two peices of furniture at home; they are definitely worth it.
Substitution for dips is hard. Here's some ideas.
• Close Grip bench
• Pushups
• Wide Grip Bench
• Incline flies
• Incline DB press
• Pushups
• Wide Grip Bench
• Incline flies
• Incline DB press
That's taken from my own personal workout!
pantherdude63
Member
Thanks rr. I was going to climb on top of our squat rack and do em but i think its gonna be too wide.
pantherdude63
Member
Well the ap is treatin me good, no sides since the first 3 dose day.:thumbsup: Did dc chest-wide grip bench press, triceps-jm presses, shoulders- hammer presses, back width-assisted machine chin pulls, back thickness- t bar rows. And i am sore as a mofo and we did that friday. My pecs are beyond sore...even jumping and them kinda bouncing just kills me.lol Basically every part we did is really sore but the pecs are def. the worse. Faith in dc has gone through the roof!lol Will let you know how mondays goes. Its going to be difficult to dose two times a day on non workout days with the nos ether is one enough?
pantherdude63
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Well school has ****ed up the log but things are going good will try to post as much as possible and let you guys know how its working out. So far dc is awesome and im happy with all the supps.:thumbsup:
pantherdude63
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Well the lifts ive been doing ive never done before especially in the upper body. Seems like mass has been gained but im not going to sit here and say im a monster or anything. Vascularity has improved and I definately see good pumps during my workouts. Ive been trying to consume a ton of nutrients bc of practices so hopefully im not losing that war. Sorry guys hopefully i can better gauge strength gains at a later date.
pantherdude63
Member
Just keep up the hard work man. Being 16 and active is only going to make your adult life even better. Let us know how things are goin. Any updates on the AP?
No sides....bad or good. I feel good but i havent noticed any gains off of it. But its only been like 3.5 weeks and im definitely going through another bottle so we'll see. (oh and by the way thanks metroba)
RenegadeRows
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Bump
pantherdude63
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Sorry for no posts guys been busy with school and football and the such. Workouts going good although not a whole lot of change has taken place but im still goin hard. I usually take in anywhere from 40-50 complex carbs with each dosing and yes i take in a good amount of carbs with all meals atm just because im trying to keep energy up and recovery time to the minimum. I am definately more vascular though, just dont have the 22" pythons yet.lol